straight women complained about the lack of options in me3. so I don't see why straight men can't do the same
Because...
Y'know, lemme just go get my popcorn and something to drink while I let this play out.
(I actually agree that DAI's straight male options are painfully limited, but you're not allowed to complain about that.)
Straight males have the same options as gay males and females. The difference is the position could reverse or on the same playing field as other groups in the next Bioware game, but that couldn't be said about gay males or females.
Going by whoever criteria, male Shep still has more option, agree? Did you complain when straight males get more options? No?
ME3
Straight male: Ashley(if survives), Tali(if survives), Liara, NPC Kelly(if survives) ,NPC Diana, NPC Mirandass(if survives die in many cases), NPC Jack(if survives)
Straight female: Garrus(if survives), Kaidan(if survives), NPC Jacob ((f survives cheating on you), NPC Thane (if survives Died), NPC Vega, NPC Javic
Gay male: Kaidan(if survives), NPC Cortez,
Gay female: Liara, NPC Samantha, NPC Kelly(if survives), NPC Samara(if survives), NPC Diana
"flirt" options, yes
romances, no
i as many does not care about numbers of "flirt" options, especially in swtor or especially in DA what have blooming roses for that an many npc for that
i does not care about last dlc after ending of Me3 who was worst then Me2(as then DA2 was worst than DAO), and i complain a lot about a game who have so much bad stuff exept "not enought flirting options to adding in dlc"
What's the point of that post?
What's the point of that post?
lack of romances, not about "flirt" options
In ME3? They still have the most options, counting the flirt or without.
Considering how MaleShep didn't have the possibility of ending up in a doomed romance while FemShep had 2 of them... yeah, I'd say that FemShep got the short end of the stick.
DA:I's options seem to balance that out, even if it was made by a different team.
Let's think about it like this:
ME series:
MaleShep (gay/straight/bi): Ashley, Liara, Tali, Miranda, Jack, Cortez, Kaidan (don't count Kelly and Allers because I don't consider them true LIs)
FemShep (les/straight/bi): Kaidan, Liara, Garrus, Thane (ends with his death in ME3), Jacob (cheats on you in ME3), Traynor. (again, I don't count Kelly and Allers)
Considering how 2 of the available romances for FemShep fall apart in ME3, I'd say that technically FemShep gets only 4 LIs while MaleShep gets 7.
DA series:
Male Warden (gay/straight/bi): Leliana, Morrigan, Zevran.
Female Warden (les/straight/bi): Leliana, Zevran, Alistair.
m!Hawke (gay/straight/bi): Anders, Fenris, Isabela, Merrill.
f!Hawke (les/straight/bi): Anders, Fenris, Isabela, Merrill, Sebastian.
m!Inquisitor (gay/straight/bi): Dorian, Iron Bull, Josephine, Cassandra.
f!Inquisitor (les/straight/bi): Cullen (human and elf only), Solas (elf only), Sera, Iron Bull, Blackwall, Josephine
Overall, male PCs in DA get 11 LIs throughout the series and female PCs get 14. Only a 3 LI lead, just like with MaleShep in ME. And since none of the romances are scripted to end regardless (as far as we know with the DA:I LIs), it still seems pretty even.
Really, I think people should just get over it. I self-identify as straight male and I'm definitely not going to complain about straight women getting more LIs than straight men. Why people continue to whine and moan about it is beyond me. 
In ME3? They still have the most options, counting the flirt or without.
if we does not count sexuality
male: Ashley(if survives), Tali(if survives),Kaidan(if survives) Liara, NPC Cortez,
female: Garrus(if survives), Kaidan(if survives), Liara, NPC Samantha
female li-3(1 gay)
male li-3(1 gay)
herm liara-1
those who survives no matter what
1 gay female
1 gay male
1 liara
if we does not count sexuality
male: Ashley(if survives), Tali(if survives),Kaidan(if survives) Liara, NPC Cortez,
female: Garrus(if survives), Kaidan(if survives), Liara, NPC Samantha
female li-3
male li-3
herm liara-1
those who survives no matter what
1 female
1 male
1 liara
But your issue is with straight males, and that's why you complain about the lack of option for them in DAI. They have the most options regardless of how you dice it.
if we does not count sexuality
male: Ashley(if survives), Tali(if survives),Kaidan(if survives) Liara, NPC Cortez,
female: Garrus(if survives), Kaidan(if survives), Liara, NPC Samantha
female li-3(1 gay)
male li-3(1 gay)
herm liara-1
those who survives no matter what
1 gay female
1 gay male
1 liara
Garrus and Tali aren't romanceable in ME3 unless you romanced them in ME2.
But your issue is with straight males, and that's why you complain about the lack of option for them in DAI. They have the most options regardless of how you dice it.
Straight males get:2 andrastian nobles non-mages humans(1 is a templar/seeker)
Straight females get: 2 humans(1 templar 1 grey warden), 1 elf apostage mage, 1 kossith qunari spy reaver
Gay males get: 1 human exiled mage from tevinter, 1 kosith qunari spy reaver
Gay females get: 1 human andrastian noble, 1 city elf
if we does not count of sexuality
males have 4
female have 6
female li-3(1 is gay)-2
male li-5(1 is gay)-4
my point was not about numbers who are laking no matter how you dice, but a lacking of difference-variety of li for straight males who have 2 andrastian nobles non-mages humans(1 is a templar/seeker)
I don't think there is anything wrong with straight men wanting more options, being dissapointed with their options, or feeling it is a bit unfair.
I find the conversation takes a wrong turn if the guys act like they were cheated based on the companions looks or they feel they deserve more options than everyone. But now that things are more equal, that means straight guys can be dissapointed too.
female li-3(1 gay)
male li-3(1 gay)
herm liara-1
those who survives no matter what
1 gay female
1 gay male- Cortez can die.
1 liara
Straight males get:2 andrastian nobles non-mages humans(1 is a templar/seeker)
Straight females get: 2 humans(1 templar 1 grey warden), 1 elf apostage mage, 1 kossith qunari spy reaver
Gay males get: 1 human exiled mage from tevinter, 1 kosith qunari spy reaver
Gay females get: 1 human andrastian noble, 1 city elf
if we does not count of sexuality
males have 4
female have 6
female li-3(1 is gay)-2
male li-5(1 is gay)-4
my point was not about numbers who are laking no matter how you dice, but a lacking of difference-variety of li for straight males who have 2 andrastian nobles non-mages humans(1 is a templar/seeker)
Strangely enough, you are in the same exact situation as gay males in ME3. 2 humans with one being NPC, except your option is not copy and paste from someone else. 
Garrus and Tali aren't romanceable in ME3 unless you romanced them in ME2.
male: Ashley(if survives),Kaidan(if survives) Liara, NPC Cortez,
female: , Kaidan(if survives), Liara, NPC Samantha
female li-2(1 gay)
male li-2(1 gay)
herm liara-1
those who survives no matter what
1 gay female
1 gay male
1 liara
made a real diffence? nope...at least for me, without tali and garrus its a sh*t
Straight males get:2 andrastian nobles non-mages humans(1 is a templar/seeker)
Straight females get: 2 humans(1 templar 1 grey warden), 1 elf apostage mage, 1 kossith qunari spy reaver
Gay males get: 1 human exiled mage from tevinter, 1 kosith qunari spy reaver
Gay females get: 1 human andrastian noble, 1 city elf
if we does not count of sexuality
males have 4
female have 6
female li-3(1 is gay)-2
male li-5(1 is gay)-4
my point was not about numbers who are laking no matter how you dice, but a lacking of difference-variety of li for straight males who have 2 andrastian nobles non-mages humans(1 is a templar/seeker)
...... again, why does it matter what a LI's beliefs are? It's not like it influences their romance at all.
Really, I'm more disappointed that there's a lack of variety for LIs race-wise. We only get 2 elven LIs and 1 Qunari LI as opposed to 5 human LIs in DA:I. No dwarven LIs and straight male elven Inquisitors are stuck with human LIs. Straight male Qunari have the same issue.
Overall, we've had 11 human LIs, 4 elven LIs, and 1 Qunari LI in the entire series. In ME, we got 8 human LIs, 1 quarian, 1 turian, 1 drell, and 1 asari. I understand the race balancing in DA, but in ME it should be better balanced.
Strangely enough, you are in the same exact situation as gay males in ME3. 2 humans with one being NPC, except your option is not copy and paste from someone else.
nope because DA is not a Me who even was created by the different team, DA is not a 3 games about human shepard on the same ship and do not have any the same romances in each games as exactly the same companions as shepard
we have 2 kingdoms
4 races-8heroes(+6 for mages of different races and genders cos they are not a non-mages...4 humans and 10 non-humans types of heroes)
many factions to make alliance and to fight with
and we have
Straight males get:2 andrastian nobles non-mages humans(1 is a templar/seeker)
Straight females get: 2 humans(1 templar 1 grey warden), 1 elf apostage mage, 1 kossith qunari spy reaver
Gay males get: 1 human exiled mage from tevinter, 1 kosith qunari spy reaver
Gay females get: 1 human andrastian noble, 1 city elf
if we does not count of sexuality
males have 4
female have 6
female li-3(1 is gay)-2
male li-5(1 is gay)-4
if talking about races it is
5 humans, 3 males(1 gay) and 2 females
2 elfs.1 male and 1 female(gay)
1 kossith male
0 dwarf
if talking about mages and non-mages it is
8 non-mages,2 templars,(1 non-mage gay)
2 mages, only male mages(1 mage gay)
as i said we have lack of females, lack of non-humans,lack of mages, lack of anti-Orlais Chantry/templars persons
Garrus and Tali aren't romanceable in ME3 unless you romanced them in ME2.
Nope. if in ME2 you didn't romance any one, you can romance them in ME3. But I agree, without Garrus and Tali, ME3 is a bullshit.
I consider myself a loyal person. I'm loyal with every person I like (friends and family for example) and I will never abandon my friends and teamates! I remember that I searched a way of doing the companion quests in the order that enabled me to preserve all companions after the suicide mission and I managed to have no death included the crew! And afterward, when I replayed the game, I always managed to do that!
To people complaining without perspective, this post by Allan Schumacher is worth a read. Also while I'm generally in favor of promoting numeracy the lists counting various things are getting a little out of hand. In fairness they become a little more tolerable if you read them in the voice of the Count: "Von straight love interest, two straight interests..."
...... again, why does it matter what a LI's beliefs are? It's not like it influences their romance at all.
Really, I'm more disappointed that there's a lack of variety for LIs race-wise. We only get 2 elven LIs and 1 Qunari LI as opposed to 5 human LIs in DA:I. No dwarven LIs and straight male elven Inquisitors are stuck with human LIs. Straight male Qunari have the same issue.
Overall, we've had 11 human LIs, 4 elven LIs, and 1 Qunari LI in the entire series. In ME, we got 8 human LIs, 1 quarian, 1 turian, 1 drell, and 1 asari. I understand the race balancing in DA, but in ME it should be better balanced.
1)yes it is, you must do and support what they like and they will be friend and after romance you...there is no gifts and "fenris who support and love blood mage hawke"...beliefs is matter
2)i said about that before and now...and as now i have "you have the same number of li than someone"
3)in Me we played only as human on the same ship with mostly the same crew...if they does not do balance and playable races in Me 4 i personaly do not play as another shepard
1)yes it is, you must do and support what they like and they will be friend and after romance you...there is no gifts and "fenris who support and love blood mage hawke"...beliefs is matter
At the very least in DA2 the bolded comment is not *remotely* true.
Rivalmance all the way, yeah.
Though I would have liked a 2/4/2 split, I'm fine with the presented options. We've only had two options in the previous games, I don't see why it's bad now. However, I do think it's fine for people to voice their discontent respectfully.
However, I think it is rather silly to compare this situation to Mass Effect in terms of fairness, as I am not really a fan of that series, yet I still play Dragon Age. Mass Effect and Dragon Age are not, nor have they ever been the same game series.
At the very least in DA2 the bolded comment is not *remotely* true.
Rivalmance all the way, yeah.
rivaly friendship and romace what was in DA2 is a bdsm, masochism
it was stupid and not making any sense
straight women complained about the lack of options in me3. so I don't see why straight men can't do the same
Men can totally do the same, but many people who are on the forum have grown weary of these threads for a couple of reasons.
After a couple of games of hearing this, it becomes grating to hear it (over & over again, without a hint of irony) from straight men
There is also never an acknowledgement that straight men have the same number of LIs as gay men & women in DA:I, some people who post on these threads act like straight men are being singled out for discrimination, rather than just not having any extra LIs this time.
By all means, complain away, get your point across, but it would be more effective if the point wasn't almost always tied up with critiquing how a LI looks, or mild to extreme homophobia.
1)yes it is, you must do and support what they like and they will be friend and after romance you...there is no gifts and "fenris who support and love blood mage hawke"...beliefs is matter
2)i said about that before and now...and as now i have you "have the same number of li than somes"
3)in Me we played only as human on the same ship with mostly the same crew...if they does not do balance and playable races in Me 4 i personaly do not play as another shepard
1) You don't have to support everything they believe in. You just have to do and say things that they approve of. For example: you could not like Cassandra's past as a Seeker, but you could make choices that she approves of to make up the difference.
2) The way you're restricting the LIs seems to be based on your preferences, which aren't shared by everyone.
3) Being restricted to playing as a human shouldn't restrict the amount of non-human LIs. In a game like DA:I where you have the ability to pick your race, race-gating is fine and understandable, but in ME where you can only play as a human the amount of non-human LIs should be more balanced out.
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