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[RevilFox]

After reading 147 of these threads, it occurs to me that people shouldn't be comparing the LIs in Mass Effect series to the LIs in the Dragon Age series, because all three ME games have the same protagonist and the DA games all have different protagonists. I feel like that's a different enough situation to make the two series...es incomparable in this matter.

 

Which isn't to say I think Straight men get screwed in DAI. I honestly do not care about the total numbers of LIs for each sexuality, except to say I'm very happen everyone has a choice. Playing through ME as a lesbian who doesn't find Liara even remotely appealing, it's pretty much not until ME3 that I got to even do a real romance. If there had been a second, preferably non-Asari, option, I would have been pretty happy. 

[RevilFox]

'Sigh' Count them up ONE MORE TIME.

 

Male Only: Cassandra and Dorian (Straight female and Gay male)

Female Only: Sera and Blackwall (Lesbian female and Straight male)

            Human/Elf Female Only: Cullen (Straight male)

            Elf Female Only: Solas (Straight male)

Available to All: Josephine and Iron Bull (Bisexual female and Bisexual male)

 

I don't want to sound pedantic, but Iron Bull is Pansexual, not Bisexual.  I feel like this is an important distinction. 

[Shadow Quickpaw]

Thanks, Rev. I wouldn't have known that.

[phantomrachie]

I can see both sides to some extent here. Some people are offended because she's not attractive to them like she might have been in DA2. She looks nothing like she did in DA2, and she's the only party member romance for a straight male. The other is an NPC, and from ME they're historically lacking in content. Josephine isn't "traditionally" attractive, either.

 

People get twitchy whenever appearances are messed with. The elves of DA2 were so vehemently hated that Bioware immediately went back to the older style for DAI. The Darkspawn weren't well received, either. I'm not sure anyone liked Alistair or Zevran in DA2, and some people didn't like the change for Isabela, and they made her more attractive.

 

I agree, people don't like change, so when characters are redesigned some people don't like it.

 

In the beginning, I was able to see both sides even though I didn't agree (I think Cass and Josephine are beautiful) but after a year of the same thread being opened every other day, I've grown tired of the 'Cass and Josephine are ugly' threads.

 

It makes it harder to see both sides, even though I still try.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I'm not actually attracted to women, so I guess I'm not the best judge, but I've never understood people calling Cassandra and Josephine ugly. I guess part of it might have to do with the graphics, all the characters have much more realistic looks now, and with realism comes flaws, but they're both attractive women in my eyes. I guess I can sort of understand hesitancy with Cassandra, since she doesn't really fit the leading lady archetype that we're used to when it comes to female LIs in media (although Merrill didn't either and she still seems widely accepted), but Josephine is about as standard as one gets.

[In Exile]

Which isn't to say I think Straight men get screwed in DAI. I honestly do not care about the total numbers of LIs for each sexuality, except to say I'm very happen everyone has a choice. Playing through ME as a lesbian who doesn't find Liara even remotely appealing, it's pretty much not until ME3 that I got to even do a real romance. If there had been a second, preferably non-Asari, option, I would have been pretty happy. 

 

Let's be fair - I'm sure straight men could get screwed in DA:I.

[Panda]

It's intresting that there hasn't been any thread about this issue complaining lack of lesbian or gay options although they get same amount as straight male Inquisitors (not players, the character you are playing, not everyone does self-inserts!).

[Battlebloodmage]

Let's be fair - I'm sure straight men could get screwed in DA:I.

If we go by the definition of the word screw and the metaphoric meaning behind it then either Cassandra and Josephine have hidden weapon or the adult entertainment in Thedas pretty evolved. 

[RevilFox]

I'm not actually attracted to women, so I guess I'm not the best judge, but I've never understood people calling Cassandra and Josephine ugly. I guess part of it might have to do with the graphics, all the characters have much more realistic looks now, and with realism comes flaws, but they're both attractive women in my eyes. I guess I can sort of understand hesitancy with Cassandra, since she doesn't really fit the leading lady archetype that we're used to when it comes to female LIs in media (although Merrill didn't either and she still seems widely accepted), but Josephine is about as standard as one gets.

I'm very attracted to women, and I've never understood people calling Cassandra and Josephine ugly.

 

Let's be fair - I'm sure straight men could get screwed in DA:I.

 

...touche'...

It's intresting that there hasn't been any thread about this issue complaining lack of lesbian or gay options although they get same amount as straight male Inquisitors (not players, the character you are playing, not everyone does self-inserts!).

Resignation?

[In Exile]

If we go by the definition of the word screw and the metaphoric meaning behind it then either Cassandra and Josephine have hidden weapon or the adult entertainment in Thedas pretty evolved. 

 

Apparently plenty of straight dudes are into pegging, so while that wasn't quite what I was thinking of I'm sure that's possible too.  

[RevilFox]

Apparently plenty of straight dudes are into pegging, so while that wasn't quite what I was thinking of I'm sure that's possible too.

Oh no! I'm out of likes for the first time ever! How can it be that this would happen to me now, of all times?

 

If pegging was an option for straight males, I think that might actually play a straight male.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Apparently plenty of straight dudes are into pegging, so while that wasn't quite what I was thinking of I'm sure that's possible too.

You just know Isabela would try to talk a male Hawke into it too.

[aTigerslunch]

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Nevermind.  Poof goes Asdrubael Vect.

 

To much of a whiney butt that can never be happy with anything

[Akkos]

I'll just not romance anybody with my human male rogue...

 

If we are allowed to have a fling, without compromise.. then yes.

 

I'm the Inquisitor, I only want to bang because I have power. So if Cassandra is like "you mess up with my heart".. **** you...straight to the guillontine.

[Asdrubael Vect]

EDIT:

 

 

Nevermind.  Poof goes Asdrubael Vect.

 

To much of a whiney butt that can never be happy with anything

1)my dictinary said that poof is a gay..so, sorry i do not understand what the hell are you talking about in first part

 

2)if you want to see "whiny butt" so look at the mirror or on your posts in the same treads then you are always come for such treads and say something like stop whine, you does not need this and something like this.

 

..and for no reason, no seriously if you already have all what you need and ask so why you goes for such treads when people ask somethink, and start to rude and portrait for peoples that they alreay have what they need and asked and they must stop asking more than they have because you think what they already have what they asked and need...someone at least does not respect and does not to hear and look on other opinions)))

 

i do not remember than i or someone who created treads like this about "adding some lis for straight males" go for a dozens of treads about "adding some more Li for straight females, gays, lesbian(and making some character gays and lesbians li...i personaly ask for some characters to be gays/lesbians and bisexual)..

 

.and when it comes for straight males treads like this i see dozens of those(gays, lesbians, bisexuals and some straights who already ask for li and like some characters, what they already have) who goes in straight males treads and say about that they "does not need" or "not deserve" something, that they "must be happy what they have", "deal with it" and other crap

 

so i think everyone can see at least some hypocrisy here

 

stop that peoples, this is stupid and you do not change anything and peoples will create only more and more treads and will ask what you always will say that they does not need and some try to loсk those treads by adding dozens of trash posts

[Semyaza82]

1)my dictinary said that poof is a gay..so, sorry i do not understand what the hell are you talking about in first part

 

Just to clarify for you - poof can be a derogatory term for gay men but in this context in meant sudden disappearing, as in 'poof and its gone'

I don't generally agree with the points you make but I do acknowledge debating in a second language isn't easy

[Asdrubael Vect]

thank you

[Grieving Natashina]

@ Vect No, I see a poster that took the time to edit his post because he didn't want to waste time on you.  You've been here for months.  Your complaining has obviously done you no good, and it makes you look like a child.  It also makes you look like you're throwing a temper tantrum in your posts as well.  

 

Time to face the facts: The DA team doesn't care what you think.  They don't care if you go, "Pre-Order Cancelled" or "OMG, I can't have more options."   If anything, I've seen more posts from writers and devs that are either dismissing such ideas, if not mocking them outright.  

 

Folks like you are a minority out there, and your measly $50-$120  is just drops in the bucket.  Do you think that a few people that may think like you will mean anything to the millions of people that are going to buy this game?  That might not give a crap if women get more options?  That might not even give a flying toss if there is a romance they like at all?

 

EA doesn't care about what the people like you think.  Otherwise, they'd have pulled s/s relationships out of the Sims and out of BioWare games.  Instead, they do a lot of articles talking about how much they enjoy supporting the LGBT community.   The Dragon Age team alone has not only showed that they think folks like you don't matter by adding s/s relationships and characters, but they've continually strived to expand that with characters such as Dorian, Maevaris, Sera, Zevran, the entire LI options of DA2, and Leliana.   They've even been talking about writing an asexual romance for future DA games.

 

If Focus on the Family and other such groups aren't going to change EA/BioWare's mind, you're sure as Hades aren't going to either.

 

As for the forums, some of us are quietly laughing at you.  I'm sorry, but you merit no sympathy from me.  The DA team isn't going to cater to your wishes.  Hell, they aren't catering to anyone.  They want to make interesting games, ones that at least try to break the mold in terms of characters and story telling.  That includes an entire swath of people that, up to this point, have had little representation.  Or worse, been villainous more often than not.

 

Good luck to you.  You're gonna need it.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Natasha

 

i was registed here for not less than 5 years and look on this site far more))) 

 

about that they "does not care" it is wrong..very wrong, and i perfectly know about that and see it dozens of times

 

about others stuff this is your personal opinion and i can respect it but i does not agree with it and i already get some stuff like races what i was one of the first to ask devs(who try to said and portrait that "we does not have them" and "they are not popular") about then we have first info about Inquisition years ago...i heard the same stuf what you and others like you say and as we see someone like you was not right..it was with ME and it was with DA

 

after game will out and people will play you will see it..wait for dlc

[Grieving Natashina]

Five years of that nonsense?

 

Spoiler

 

Edit: Gif in spoiler tags for space.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Five years of that nonsense?

 

five years of success with tali, gassus, endings, races and others and others getting via next game of via dlc

 

and for you i give the same as for white tiger

 

http://forum.bioware...ons/?p=17669151

 

second part

 

this is the last from me for you, i hope)))

[Paul E Dangerously]

@ Vect No, I see a poster that took the time to edit his post because he didn't want to waste time on you.  You've been here for months.  Your complaining has obviously done you no good, and it makes you look like a child.  It also makes you look like you're throwing a temper tantrum in your posts as well.  

 

Time to face the facts: The DA team doesn't care what you think.  They don't care if you go, "Pre-Order Cancelled" or "OMG, I can't have more options."   If anything, I've seen more posts from writers and devs that are either dismissing such ideas, if not mocking them outright.  

 

Folks like you are a minority out there, and your measly $50-$120  is just drops in the bucket.  Do you think that a few people that may think like you will mean anything to the millions of people that are going to buy this game?  That might not give a crap if women get more options?  That might not even give a flying toss if there is a romance they like at all?

 

EA doesn't care about what the people like you think.  Otherwise, they'd have pulled s/s relationships out of the Sims and out of BioWare games.  Instead, they do a lot of articles talking about how much they enjoy supporting the LGBT community.   The Dragon Age team alone has not only showed that they think folks like you don't matter by adding s/s relationships and characters, but they've continually strived to expand that with characters such as Dorian, Maevaris, Sera, Zevran, the entire LI options of DA2, and Leliana.   They've even been talking about writing an asexual romance for future DA games.

 

If Focus on the Family and other such groups aren't going to change EA/BioWare's mind, you're sure as Hades aren't going to either.

 

As for the forums, some of us are quietly laughing at you.  I'm sorry, but you merit no sympathy from me.  The DA team isn't going to cater to your wishes.  Hell, they aren't catering to anyone.  They want to make interesting games, ones that at least try to break the mold in terms of characters and story telling.  That includes an entire swath of people that, up to this point, have had little representation.  Or worse, been villainous more often than not.

 

Good luck to you.  You're gonna need it.

 

1) It's really a terrible thing to actively mock your customers that are speaking with their wallets. How do you think the Witcher thing became a thing on these boards in the first place? Bioware didn't want to listen to a lot of people, so Dragon Age 2 didn't do nearly as well financially. When another developer did the things some people felt Bioware didn't, their game sold much better than expected. Funny how that works.

 

2) They've done that. Sebastian in DA2.

 

3) This is really funny, given how the methodology seems to be trying to cater to everyone at once*, and spreading yourself so thinly that nothing appeals to the extent you want it to to those fanbases.

 

*The exception seems to be people not interested in an extremely simplified gameplay experience, in which case you can take a hike.

[ajiehb]

@ Vect No, I see a poster that took the time to edit his post because he didn't want to waste time on you.  You've been here for months.  Your complaining has obviously done you no good, and it makes you look like a child.  It also makes you look like you're throwing a temper tantrum in your posts as well.  

 

Time to face the facts: The DA team doesn't care what you think.  They don't care if you go, "Pre-Order Cancelled" or "OMG, I can't have more options."   If anything, I've seen more posts from writers and devs that are either dismissing such ideas, if not mocking them outright.  

 

Folks like you are a minority out there, and your measly $50-$120  is just drops in the bucket.  Do you think that a few people that may think like you will mean anything to the millions of people that are going to buy this game?  That might not give a crap if women get more options?  That might not even give a flying toss if there is a romance they like at all?

 

EA doesn't care about what the people like you think.  Otherwise, they'd have pulled s/s relationships out of the Sims and out of BioWare games.  Instead, they do a lot of articles talking about how much they enjoy supporting the LGBT community.   The Dragon Age team alone has not only showed that they think folks like you don't matter by adding s/s relationships and characters, but they've continually strived to expand that with characters such as Dorian, Maevaris, Sera, Zevran, the entire LI options of DA2, and Leliana.   They've even been talking about writing an asexual romance for future DA games.

 

If Focus on the Family and other such groups aren't going to change EA/BioWare's mind, you're sure as Hades aren't going to either.

 

As for the forums, some of us are quietly laughing at you.  I'm sorry, but you merit no sympathy from me.  The DA team isn't going to cater to your wishes.  Hell, they aren't catering to anyone.  They want to make interesting games, ones that at least try to break the mold in terms of characters and story telling.  That includes an entire swath of people that, up to this point, have had little representation.  Or worse, been villainous more often than not.

 

Good luck to you.  You're gonna need it.

 

Why so much hate?( Try to be more respectful towards other people opinions even you don't like them. Speaking of LGBT community precisely not every country and culture is supportive towards them. And I may open eyes for you but I think BioWare itself isn't that supportive too... it's just one of the marketing department thing to attract more attention to the game. Now I'm not telling you that BioWare is lying to you about their support but it came from other side.

[Grieving Natashina]

@Paul

 

 

1)  Yeah, because the "Straight Male Gamer" response came out of nowhere, right?    Not that terrible when the customers were being mysogist biogoted jerks that wanted more "feminine women" and "less gay."

 

2)  Sebastian was supposed to be in the game in the first place, but hey, guess what?  Thanks to the rushed schedule he was a day one DLC.

 

Oh and I'm sure that having EA give them 12 months to work on the game had nothing to do with poorly.   No, it was all about the bisexual companions.  

 

You don't strike me as unintelligent. C'mon, look it up for yourself.  Then realize that, holy crap, maybe EA rushing the game and giving them less than a year from the launch of DA:A  had something to do with the quality of the game itself.  Not the LI options or any of that crap.

 

You seem to be concerned that they aren't catering to "straight men."   If you think that BioWare isn't striving for more representation, and cares about whether or not straight men get all the attention, then you can take a hike.

 

 

Why so much hate?( Try to be more respectful towards other people opinions even you don't like them. Speaking of LGBT community precisely not every country and culture is supportive towards them. And I may open eyes for you but I think BioWare itself isn't that supportive too... it's just one of the marketing department thing to attract more attention to the game. Now I'm not telling you that BioWare is lying to you about their support but it came from other side.

Try hearing this for years. And years.  And years.

 

That and you haven't seen the number of straight guys that do not appreciate folks like Paul and Vect speaking for them.  It isn't a marketing thing for us or for BioWare.  Their support came from all sides, straight, LGBT, you name it.  If anything, a lot of groups like FotF and Faux News have been trying to shut them up for years.  Trust me, most marketing teams wouldn't run the risk, unlike EA.  

 

Finally, the official trailers have been actually showcasing the game, not the companions sexuality.  It's been the so-calling gaming "journalists" that have taken that and ran with it.

[Asdrubael Vect]

natasha you rude post as your personal belief does not change anything)))....hate, be rude, does not respect others, but it will not help

 

as i said to the white tiger in second part

 

http://forum.bioware...ons/?p=17669151