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[bluebullets]

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skyrim. skyrim. skyrim. everyone wants to be skyrim these days. Skyrim is ruining my damn life. I get the appeal of an open world and exploration. fine. But why can't companies be happy with 3+ million sales.
DA:O sold 3.5-4 million copies

DA2 sold <2M.

Doesn't this say something? You are bioware, not bethesda. your niche wants a compelling plot and characters to fall in love with. Why do they have to dragonage2-ify everything and try to mimic skyrim?

the perfect skyrim is gonna sell 30M+.

the perfect dragon age is going to sell 10M+
the perfect dragon age that tries to be skyrim is gonna sell less than 3.. just be happy with your fanbase and improve what you got. 10M > 2M. niches can be huge markets. Not everyone can be Google.

Do you think that story driven rpgs are a dying breed (final fantasy, dao, etc) in place of open world player-driven adventures like skyrim? I guess we still get the witcher 3 and we have the mass effects, but I can't think of many other story driven games like this.

 

It makes me tremendously sad. I work all week and all I want to do in the little free me-time i have is play a game that'll make me love everyone in it. I don't want to be an errand boy, I don't want to kill 10 boars or explore the pixelated trees- i can do that outside.

 

Of course, this is based on one review and I'm totally jumping the gun without seeing DA:I yet, but i felt the need to vent.

/rantover

[AlanC9]

Let's wait and see if DAI really is as dramatically flabby as Bethesda product.

[10K]

The world is not exactly an open world. It's more like large hubs, plus the story is there and it is still the most important thing. I don't think DAI is trying to be Skyrim.

[Greenface21]

Yeah, I hope this is not going to be Skyrim Bioware Edition.  I can only stand so many random fetch quests in a row, ontop of a lot of backtracking marketed as "exploring". 

[slimgrin]

Why not have both? It's high time Bioware tried this exploration thing.

[Grieving Natashina]

Why not have both? It's high time Bioware tried this exploration thing.

I think we can agree on something for once.  

[Darkly Tranquil]

God, I hope not. I thought Skyrim was a terrible game. It lacked anything approaching a coherent plot, two dimensional (if that) characters, laughably wooden voice acting, and boring unintuitive combat. All it had going for it was a large open play area to wander aimlessly around in (which is not something I find particularly fun anyway) and tremendous moddability. I will be very disappointed if DAI mimics Skyrim in any significant way because I really loathed it. If Skyrim is the future of RPGs then I think I will be done with them.

[coldflame]

DA games have too many words for some...

[Darkly Tranquil]

DA games have too many words for some...

Those people should wipe the drool off their chins and go back to Call of Duty.

[Rawgrim]

Yes they are dying. Rpgs are becoming more and more action games, with an element or two of rpg in them.

[sylvanaerie]

I found Skyrim boring, the characters lackluster and the vanilla CC absolutely disgraceful.  All that saved that game was the mods I could get access too.  Once I finished my one play through the main story I removed it from my PC.

[Rahavan]

DA games have too many words for some...

 

If that's the case they should never touch the witcher series (I love rpgs and I couldn't handle the amount of talking D:). Anyway Op lets not count our chickens before they hatch, shall we?

[Lennard Testarossa]

Some exploration is fine, if there are actually interesting things to discover. (Which in Skyrim, there really aren't.)

 

If Bethesda-type exploration is the majority of this game's content, I'll probably hate it.

[Meltemph]

Those people should wipe the drool off their chins and go back to Call of Duty.

Is there something wrong with Call of Duty? I love Baldurs gate and Call of Duty/Halo/ect... I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Also, Elder Scroll games probably have more books to read that any single AAA game I can think of. I love dragon age too, but ya.

[puppyofwar]

God, I hope not. I thought Skyrim was a terrible game. It lacked anything approaching a coherent plot, two dimensional (if that) characters, laughably wooden voice acting, and boring unintuitive combat. All it had going for it was a large open play area to wander aimlessly around in (which is not something I find particularly fun anyway) and tremendous moddability. I will be very disappointed if DAI mimics Skyrim in any significant way because I really loathed it. If Skyrim is the future of RPGs then I think I will be done with them.

 

I found Skyrim boring, the characters lackluster and the vanilla CC absolutely disgraceful.  All that saved that game was the mods I could get access too.  Once I finished my one play through the main story I removed it from my PC.

Hey, at least it got some nice hot guys I can stare at, and Ulfirc's voice*swoon*

 

And no, I don't believe rpg is "dying". Perhaps changing, but not dying

[Ser Jynx]

It seems to be the direction DA wanted to go since the beginning. Its just DA with more exploring instead of blood spots on a map.

[Meltemph]

Hey, at least it got some nice hot guys I can stare at, and Ulfirc's voice*swoon*

 

And no, I don't believe rpg is "dying". Perhaps changing, but not dying

Ya, have to agree. They are not the same isometric games they used to be, but there are still quite a few of them.

[puppyofwar]

Ya, have to agree. They are not the same isometric games they used to be, but there are still quite a few of them.

And i can love both of them

[Cerulean_Shaman]

You need to pick up fantasy/sci fi novels and visual novels. They more or less got me loving RPGs, and really they're the only thing now keeping my plot addiction fixed. Not to say we haven't had a few recent good stories, and damn I can even forgive repetitive or flat out bad gameplay for a good story (you often run across this situation in visual novels with game elements), but I'm just not feeling the stories in these recent games.

 

"Open world" games are getting the worst of it. Shadow of Mordor was meh, fun game but a pretty boring story, though I guess they did what they could through the scope. I had to literally force myself through Watch Dogs and was glad that nightmare was over when its terrible ending came rolling along.

 

Been a while since I've found myself late at night in bed unable to sleep, staring at the ceiling just because I can't get a memorable story or characters out of my mind, and have its source be a video game.

[Hizoku]

Fetch quests, why'd it have to be fetch quests..

[Ryzaki]

Hey, at least it got some nice hot guys I can stare at, and Ulfirc's voice*swoon*

 

And no, I don't believe rpg is "dying". Perhaps changing, but not dying

 

Wait you found the vanilla Skyrim guys sexy?

[puppyofwar]

Wait you found the vanilla Skyrim guys sexy?

I think the only anesthetic mod I use is the Xenius Character Enhancement which only improve textures and eye detail.

 

What can I say, I like muscular, deep-voiced men   

[Gileadan]

I frankly don't get the general Skyrim bashing. Sure, it had no tight storyline, but Jarl Ulfric and General Tullius are way better characters with a better conflict than Meredith and Orsino. The writing isn't generally crap, though mostly not outstanding either.

Story driven RPGs are very rare... we mostly get combat games with story and RPG elements these days. Just play a game and see how many quests are resolved by killing something and taking its stuff, and how many of the skills your character can learn are combat related.

I'm just replaying Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines, and they just don't make 'em like that anymore.

[Ryzaki]

I think the only anesthetic mod I use is the Xenius Character Enhancement which only improve textures and eye detail.

 

What can I say, I like muscular, deep-voiced men   

 

Oh well they're still modded then I though you meant completely vanilla. *shudders*

 

XD nothing wrong with that.

[sumojellybean]

Isn't there a comeback of Kickstarter CRPGs? *going to get Divinity Original Sin soon, but can't really give that much input on oldschool rpgs*

 

But yeah, as someone who has clocked over 1000 hours on Skyrim, it was a fun game to mod, but I never actually finished one complete playthrough of exploring /everything/. Soon enough, if there is no memorable characters, lore immersion, or even interesting dialogue, the world soon becomes dead and boring to explore, no matter how pretty it looks. Actually Skyrim only became interesting to play with the Interesting NPCs mod when the creator took time to flesh out the world by introducing NPCs with some personality.

 

IMHO, looking at the fetch quests and open world Bioware should have focus much more on their main plots to create a more developed story to then attract a bigger niche audience in the long run instead of appealing to sandbox crowd to only gain big profits in the short run.

 

I think the only anesthetic mod I use is the Xenius Character Enhancement which only improve textures and eye detail.

 

What can I say, I like muscular, deep-voiced men    

 

You forgot Geonox's face textures. Actually though, Enhanced Character Edit you can finally make bishonen men in its last update.