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[bluebullets]

"It was in a conversation with Leliana, one of the handful of returning characters from previous games, that I realized the huge mistake I had made. I asked her to tell me about The Warden, the unnamed main character from the first game. "He died fighting the Archdemon," she told me wistfully

http://www.polygon.c...tation-4-ps4-pc

 

So we know that it wasn't canoned to the god baby.. I was really hoping it was, based on the art book and everything.. was hoping morrigan's baby would play a non-trivial role, after all, she could have just used blood magic to control allistair or something.... They let Liliana live even if you chopped her head off....

 

Annnnnnyway.. I think the above quote confirms that the warden and his decisions can play any significant role in this game- not even the background.

 

Given this, how would you like it handled? Would you like Leliana to just mention "he disappeared", or would you like him to somehow have some significant background role if he is alive, and solve the mystery of the missing warden later on?

 

Honestly, I bet it'll just be a one line reference to the warden, which makes me extremely sad and angry. 95% of the reason I'm buying da;i is to learn about my warden. I think it is absolutely stupid to include all my warden's besties, companions, fellow blight-enders, love interest.. without having them provide closure and everything.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if this was the only mention:
Inquisitor: "What happened to the warden?"
morrigan: "oh, we just got together, had a god baby, went into some mirror, then he peaced out and nobody ever saw him again. No big deal. Got other stuff to deal with. Lets move on"
The end.

[Face of Evil]

I would like to see his possessed corpse return for a boss fight.

[bluebullets]

I would like to see his possessed corpse return for a boss fight.

He won't return in physical form- it is confirmed. Not even as a zombie.

[Chari]

I don't have much hope for anything truly significant - Bioware gave up on the Warden, it seems

But if it was up to me to make the Warden's appearance without them actually appearing then I would make lots of mentions, notes, news about them doing important stuff (helping Alistair as a queen, or dealing with the darkspawn as a commander or taking care of his and Morrigan son) and return or recall consequences of some quests we did in DA:O and DA:A (that dwarfess and her child we could help in the Orzammar, orphanage etc) 

And a big monument in their honour. Or statue, or anything in some city

[dsl08002]

I really dont want a short answer on this and then its moving on. Especially not from a LI considering that my warden is alive.

So i really want more context and at least 2 times where either Leliana or morrigan mentions the warden.

[Face of Evil]

He won't return in physical form- it is confirmed. Not even as a zombie.

I know. But you asked me how I would like them to return.

Undead Warden, Bioware. Make it DLC.

[New Kid]

Just references from past characters, and confirmation of what he/she has been up to would be grand.

In one of my world states I romanced Morrigan, became King-consort, and stabbed her for keeping his only hope for an heir away from him. I am quite interested to see what Morrigan has to say about this haha.

[Just My Moniker]

Most ideal reference for me: The Inquisitor is granted a look through an Eluvian, and witnesses the Hero of Ferelden taking down a group of baddies in a completely bad*** manner. After the fight, the Warden turns to the Inquisitor and is about to say something before the Eluvian fades to black.

 

Most idealistic and realistic reference for me: The characters you meet that actually knew the HoF are actually able to tell you alot about the Warden, and maybe you're even able to find an abandoned camp of the Warden's and the remnants of a battle where they pwned the enemy lol XD

[Chari]

"It was in a conversation with Leliana, one of the handful of returning characters from previous games, that I realized the huge mistake I had made. I asked her to tell me about The Warden, the unnamed main character from the first game. "He died fighting the Archdemon," she told me wistfully

That's it? Really?

I made one playthrough in which my Warden romanced Lelianna and died fighting the Archdemon because I hoped there would be some drama, some tragedy. Heck, originally she killed herself due to the pain of loss

And all we'll get... is one line?

Yep, ****** diappointing

[Just My Moniker]

That's it? Really?

I made one playthrough in which my Warden romanced Lelianna and died fighting the Archdemon because I hoped there would be some drama, some tragedy. Heck, originally she killed herself due to the pain of loss

And all we'll get... is one line?

Yep, ****** diappointing

To be fair, that is most likely not the only dialogue Leliana has to say about the Warden 

[Vicious]

Even alive, your Warden is getting closer to his calling (Remember that?), particularly given it's been many years since the blight.

 

 

by the next game he or she will surely be dead. sadface.

[Vicious]

That's it? Really?

I made one playthrough in which my Warden romanced Lelianna and died fighting the Archdemon because I hoped there would be some drama, some tragedy. Heck, originally she killed herself due to the pain of loss

And all we'll get... is one line?

Yep, ****** diappointing

 

 

Ah yes ladies and gentlemen. This here is what people around here try to claim is 'constructive criticism.' knee-jerk anger with almost no actual information or personal experience.

[bluebullets]

To be fair, that is most likely not the only dialogue Leliana has to say about the Warden 

i wouldn't doubt that it is.

 

Though, this probably wasn't a lel-romance playthrough

[Chari]

Even alive, your Warden is getting closer to his calling (Remember that?), particularly given it's been many years since the blight.

 

 

by the next game he or she will surely be dead.

The Calling doesn't kill as Utah and Larius proved

And if your Warden has both the Architect and Avernus on his/her side... well, they might as become immortal

[bluebullets]

Even alive, your Warden is getting closer to his calling (Remember that?), particularly given it's been many years since the blight.

 

 

by the next game he or she will surely be dead. sadface.

 

The calling does not happen for decades.

"gray wardens have 40 years to live" - Allistair
And that's just a normal gray warden.

It's been what? 10-12?

[Just My Moniker]

i wouldn't doubt that it is.

 

Though, this probably wasn't a lel-romance playthrough

Exactly   , a romanced Leliana will most definitely have more to say.

[dsl08002]

Even alive, your Warden is getting closer to his calling (Remember that?), particularly given it's been many years since the blight.
 
 
by the next game he or she will surely be dead. sadface.

Unless you drank Avernus potion.which slows the taint down.

but one thing is for sure, Im going to be SO PISSED if it will be similar conversations talking to Leliana who is my main LI and Morrigan regarding an alive warden. So I will just hope that bioware has more in store for us, if not it will truly demonstrate how little regard they got for the warden.

[Chari]

Ah yes ladies and gentlemen. This here is what people around here try to claim is 'constructive criticism.' knee-jerk anger with almost no actual information or personal experience.

Hey, if I didn't invest actual feelings and passion into Bioware games I wouldn't be even playing them 

I loved DA:O, I enjoyed DA2 characters to some extent and I care about them

Especially PCs and companions, they are the reason I play Bioware games 

So if all the most importan decisions and relationships we were able to create in previous games means nothing as result then I have every right to be upset. and no, a couple of lines is not good enough. Becoming Anders' friend and being Merril's clanmate and then getting only one-two dialogues between them actually talking about Mahariel was pretty sad

What's the point of creating world states then? I want my choices to matter, that's the whole point of making games like Dragon Age and Mass Effect. Choices should matter

[sylvanaerie]

I expect Leliana to have something more to say on wardens who romanced her, (maybe Morrigan as well) but I don't worry.  Even small mention is nice.  Inquisitor has little to no connection to the warden.  Codices or mentions from NPCs would be nice.

TBH I like the 'warden disappeared' thing Bioware came up with.  Allows me to head canon any fate I want for my Surana.  If they ever clarify exactly what happened that will totally ruin it for me.

[Vicious]

Hey, if I didn't invest actual feelings and passion into Bioware games I wouldn't be even playing them 

I loved DA:O, I enjoyed DA2 characters to some extent and I care about them

Especially PCs and companions, they are the reason I play Bioware games 

So if all the most importan decisions and relationships we were able to create in previous games means nothing as result then I have every right to be upset. and no, a couple of lines is not good enough. Becoming Anders' friend and being Merril's clanmate and then getting only one-two dialogues between them actually talking about Mahariel was pretty sad

What's the point of creating world states then? I want my choices to matter, that's the whole point of making games like Dragon Age and Mass Effect. Choices should matter

 

 

I can't argue with the things you enjoy or the passion you put into gaming.

 

Just saying, this guy gave one early game example. It is very likely there could be more, from his/her other friends, Morrigan Alistair and etc. Too early to show your fury.

 

But you won't see the Warden regardless, so 'mentions' are all anyone was ever going to get. and IMO, talking about who they are/were and what they did is far better than nothing at all.

[Burricho]

The calling does not happen for decades.

"gray wardens have 40 years to live" - Allistair
And that's just a normal gray warden.

It's been what? 10-12?

Incorrect. In dragon age the last flight, 30 years is said to have been an extremely long time to not have succumbed to the calling. On average 20 is the time it takes.

[Burricho]

Hey, if I didn't invest actual feelings and passion into Bioware games I wouldn't be even playing them 

I loved DA:O, I enjoyed DA2 characters to some extent and I care about them

Especially PCs and companions, they are the reason I play Bioware games 

So if all the most importan decisions and relationships we were able to create in previous games means nothing as result then I have every right to be upset. and no, a couple of lines is not good enough. Becoming Anders' friend and being Merril's clanmate and then getting only one-two dialogues between them actually talking about Mahariel was pretty sad

What's the point of creating world states then? I want my choices to matter, that's the whole point of making games like Dragon Age and Mass Effect. Choices should matter

But what makes you think in that playthorugh leilana had been romanced?

[Rawgrim]

Just a mention here and there would be fine. It is not even a must. The warden isn't tied to this story at all, it seems, so not much need to bring him\her up.

[sylvanaerie]

The calling does not happen for decades.

"gray wardens have 40 years to live" - Allistair
And that's just a normal gray warden.

It's been what? 10-12?

 

The actual quote is "you've got 30 years to live, give or take" which could mean less or more, but around that. 

I also saw a thread debating the possibility of the Blight speeding up that timetable to even less.

 

Duncan himself was close to his Calling.  And he had been a Grey Warden for only 20 years.  Riordan also said that he and Duncan were peers and 'the taint will not spare me much longer'.

 

So i tend to think there may be something to that 'blights speed up the taint timetable' theory.

[Chari]

I can't argue with the things you enjoy or the passion you put into gaming.

 

Just saying, this guy gave one early game example. It is very likely there could be more, from his/her other friends, Morrigan Alistair and etc.  

 

But you won't see the Warden regardless, so 'mentions' are all anyone was ever going to get. and IMO, talking about who they are/were and what they did is far better than nothing at all.

Eh, I'm just afraid we'll get very little mentions of the Warden while getting to meet Hawke herself

That's just... unfair, I guess

Usually I defend Bioware when it comes to expectations since they do a good job even with a lack of resources. But playing DA2 (and it was very close to DA:O in terms of time period and characters connected) made me realize that even back then Warden and our previous choices were mentioned rarely. At best we'll get a short quest or a dialogue but overall...

And okay, I understand that not every decision has to be mentioned. That'd be impossible. But important decision, unique quests and at least some of LIs? Damn of course I want to know more

Especially if we do meet characters connected to those events. We do get to meet Lelianna, Morrigan and Alistair and one of them will follow us for the whole game so I expect more than a single or a few lines of neutral dialogues

I wonder if Lelianna was heartbroken if the Warden was her friend/lover and died. I wonder what she feels. I wonder how Alistair feels about his wife disappearing. Or Morrigan about her partner joining/stabbing/leaving her