I loved the Warden and Hawke both. But no Leliana romance due to some possible Leliana romance with the warden made me despise the warden.
Yes, lets despise a character in a game because they stopped a possible romance in a sequel. Damn you warden! You scoundrel...
hawke and whats his face- the mustache warden are together in the new choices trailer. just fyi (in reference to the earlier discussion)
Giving us an opportunity to create relationships and then destroy them like that is a big middle finger
It just says "Your choices do no matter"
They might as well force everyone to make an OGB or kill their Warden for lolz sake
These characters are independant but they're tied to our PCs, our experience. Our involvement matters
The relationship is between you an Leliana. If Leliana tires of you, it is her choice. Some choices should be out of the player's hands. Leliana is perfectly capable to break ties with a person. Like it or not.
I would agree with you 100 percent if they make the Warden dump Leliana, though.
Giving us an opportunity to create relationships and then destroy them like that is a big middle finger
It just says "Your choices do no matter"
They might as well force everyone to make an OGB or kill their Warden for lolz sake
These characters are independant but they're tied to our PCs, our experience. Our involvement matters
A LI being able to CRUSH your feelings is a good thing. These characters should be completely free to say, "goodbye this is no longer working for me". They should have their own autonomy, given directly from the writers. Without this, they are nothing more then our play things, there to give us warm fuzzies. I want these characters to seem real and their own person and not defined by their incredible permanent infatuation with the PC. It isnt a middle finger, it is them telling you, you are not in control of your LI's they are their own people. I think it is incredibly healthy thing to do in stories. In fact I'd go as far to say that them allowing the possession like quality of some peoples desires can permanently damage a setting. I think the warden, quite frankly, is starting to do this and is why I want him to die. The setting is suffering because of it.
A LI being able to CRUSH your feelings is a good thing. These characters should be completely free to say, "goodbye this is no longer working for me". They should have their own autonomy, given directly from the writers. Without this, they are nothing more then our play things, there to give us warm fuzzies. I want these characters to seem real and their own person and not defined by their incredible permanent infatuation with the PC. It isnt a middle finger, it is them telling you, you are not in control of your LI's they are their own people. I think it is incredibly healthy thing to do in stories. In fact I'd go as far to say that them allowing the possession like quality of some peoples desires can permanently damage a setting. I think the warden, quite frankly, is starting to do this and is why I want him to die. The setting is suffering because of it.
Spot on.
I'd also like it if a love interest was actually faking it and just manipulating me completely from the start. Or blackmailing me later, or completely betraying me. Stuff like that can stirr emotions, and that makes for a more effective story.
A LI being able to CRUSH your feelings is a good thing. These characters should be completely free to say, "goodbye this is no longer working for me". They should have their own autonomy, given directly from the writers. Without this, they are nothing more then our play things, there to give us warm fuzzies. I want these characters to seem real and their own person and not defined by their incredible permanent infatuation with the PC. It isnt a middle finger, it is them telling you, you are not in control of your LI's they are their own people. I think it is incredibly healthy thing to do in stories. In fact I'd go as far to say that them allowing the possession like quality of some peoples desires can permanently damage a setting. I think the warden, quite frankly, is starting to do this and is why I want him to die. The setting is suffering because of it.
Ah, so you hate Warden and want him/her to suffer, I see
Well, no possible constructive discussion with you, then
Goodbye and don't bother me again
The relationship is between you an Leliana. If Leliana tires of you, it is her choice. Some choices should be out of the player's hands. Leliana is perfectly capable to break ties with a person. Like it or not.
I would agree with you 100 percent if they make the Warden dump Leliana, though.
Except if it happens off-screen without real explanation
That's not an interesting story trying to show us how relationship works
It's an easy way to say "Who cares about the Warden?"
Might as well kill them already
Even alive, your Warden is getting closer to his calling (Remember that?), particularly given it's been many years since the blight.
by the next game he or she will surely be dead. sadface.
Not really, the Warden went through the Joining ritual in 9:30 Dragon, and Alistair said to him after it: "You have 30 years to live, give or take." This game starts in 9:40 Dragon, so the Warden should be alive for at least 20 more years.
Seriously, what is so freaking special about the Warden that people just can't let it go? He had no personality except what the player makes up in his head. He had no voice except what the player makes up in his head. He did his thing, it was epic, he stopped a blight. Very few wardens get to do this. Even the Orlesian warden (which the player can play) doesn't do anything any other warden commander would be capable of doing.
Since his personality is entirely head canon, there's no way Bioware could possibly give him a presence in a game featuring another protagonist that would be true to everyone's vision. 10 different people are going to have 10 different perceptions and no doubt no matter what Bioware did, all 10 would insist "My warden wouldn't do that".
The whole 'disappearance thing' works for me. It falls right into my own head canon and allows me closure in my own mind. I don't need Bioware to say X happened to Neria. Because no matter what it is, it's going to fubar it up in my head.
Be careful what you wish for people. The worst that could happen is you find out.
Spot on.
I'd also like it if a love interest was actually faking it and just manipulating me completely from the start. Or blackmailing me later, or completely betraying me. Stuff like that can stirr emotions, and that makes for a more effective story.
Yup, would be great to get crushed by a LI, something VERY different in stories would be refreshing. A good reminder that you dont always get the girl/boy and it isnt always "happily ever-after".
Spot on.
I'd also like it if a love interest was actually faking it and just manipulating me completely from the start. Or blackmailing me later, or completely betraying me. Stuff like that can stirr emotions, and that makes for a more effective story.
i think this is a bad idea. It just destroys headcanon and is a stupid cop-out.
Now, if it happened in DA:O- lets say i romanced morrigan, killed mommy, and she said "ha. thanks" and tried stabbing you and left - that might have made a good plot line.
To just have them dump you after you disappear is stupid.
Ah, so you hate Warden and want him/her to suffer, I see
Well, no possible constructive discussion with you, then
Goodbye and don't bother me again
Except if it happens off-screen without real explanation
That's not an interesting story trying to show us how relationship works
It's an easy way to say "Who cares about the Warden?"
Might as well kill them already
That wasn't in any way a rational response to what I said, but ok.
Ah, so you hate Warden and want him/her to suffer, I see
Well, no possible constructive discussion with you, then
Goodbye and don't bother me again
Except if it happens off-screen without real explanation
That's not an interesting story trying to show us how relationship works
It's an easy way to say "Who cares about the Warden?"
Might as well kill them already
Well...that would depend on how much personal details Leliana would be comfy about giving to a person she has just met. The inquisitor isn't the warden. Or if she tells the truth about it too.
The warden did his deed more than 10 years ago. People forget heroes rather fast. Especially when a new crisis arrise.
i think this is a bad idea. It just destroys headcanon and is a stupid cop-out.
Now, if it happened in DA:O- lets say i romanced morrigan, killed mommy, and she said "ha. thanks" and tried stabbing you and left - that might have made a good plot line.
To just have them dump you after you disappear is stupid.
Considering neither Leliana or Morrigan are romanceable in this game they didn't just 'dump the warden after he disappeared'. We don't know what is going on. Expecting them to live their lives on hold, put off their plans...not deal with...you know the FREAKING HOLE IN THE SKY!!!! just to go hunting down their boo is kind of stupid to me.
Well...that would depend on how much personal details Leliana would be comfy about giving to a person she has just met. The inquisitor isn't the warden. Or if she tells the truth about it too.
The warden did his deed more than 10 years ago. People forget heroes rather fast. Especially when a new crisis arrise.
Still terrible and foolish
I'm sure that it's hard to forget a person who chose Orzammar's King, killed a cursed God, saved the Fereldan from a disaster and chose the Ruler of the whole country
Especially since the Wardens make monuments of the wardens who end the Blights
Seriously, what is so freaking special about the Warden that people just can't let it go? He had no personality except what the player makes up in his head. He had no voice except what the player makes up in his head. He did his thing, it was epic, he stopped a blight. Very few wardens get to do this. Even the Orlesian warden (which the player can play) doesn't do anything any other warden commander would be capable of doing.
Since his personality is entirely head canon, there's no way Bioware could possibly give him a presence in a game featuring another protagonist that would be true to everyone's vision. 10 different people are going to have 10 different perceptions and no doubt no matter what Bioware did, all 10 would insist "My warden wouldn't do that".
The whole 'disappearance thing' works for me. It falls right into my own head canon and allows me closure in my own mind. I don't need Bioware to say X happened to Neria. Because no matter what it is, it's going to fubar it up in my head.
Be careful what you wish for people. The worst that could happen is you find out.
Except my headcanon is that they went into a magical mirror for a reason I DO NOT KNOW and i demand to know what happened.
So... My headcanon is they went away to live happy forever after, drink tea, and prepare little godbaby for the next big disaster. But morrigan is in DA:I so #headcanondestroyed.
I need to know what happened there.
i think this is a bad idea. It just destroys headcanon and is a stupid cop-out.
Now, if it happened in DA:O- lets say i romanced morrigan, killed mommy, and she said "ha. thanks" and tried stabbing you and left - that might have made a good plot line.
To just have them dump you after you disappear is stupid.
Well the Warden can stab Morrigan as well.
We are talking about 10 years here. Most relationships don't last that long. It is not outside the realm of reason that a Love Interest might have dumped the Warden.
Except my headcanon is that they went into a magical mirror for a reason I DO NOT KNOW and i demand to know what happened.
So... My headcanon is they went away to live happy forever after, drink tea, and prepare little godbaby for the next big disaster. But morrigan is in DA:I so #headcanondestroyed.
I need to know what happened there.
Maybe they had a long talk before she left, and they decided that he's playing Mr Mom while she's dealing with the threat of the rifts. Maybe she ate him. Maybe he's trying to get the baby to someplace safer while this disaster is going on while Morrigan is dealing with things in Orlais.
It doesn't have to fubar up your head canon unless you think Morrigan who was all 'come here come here come here, go away go away go away' would be suddenly touchy feely and attached to your warden at the hip.
Disasters come and people do what they can. Is it so hard to believe that they had each a role to play. Her's is just more tied to the Inquisitor's story and his is behind the scenes with their son?
Well the Warden can stab Morrigan as well.
We are talking about 10 years here. Most relationships don't last that long. It is not outside the realm of reason that a Love Interest might have dumped the Warden.
That's just nonsense. i'm glad you're not a writer. Lol.
2 options in my mind
One would be raising and protecting the God-Child. Teaching them everything they know and nurturing what could possibly end up being one of the most influential figures in the future of Thedas.
Second would be to meet them somewhere in the Deep Roads, working with the Architect to uncover the true nature of the Taint (if they survived). Otherwise, I could see the Warden facing the Calling in a truly epic fashion and go deeper than anyone else has ever gone before, perhaps even as far as standing guard to one of the remaining Old Gods and holding back the Darkspawn from corrupting it.
I feel that either of those things would service the character's legacy, and provide an honorable conclusion to that legendary character's tale.
Yup, would be great to get crushed by a LI, something VERY different in stories would be refreshing. A good reminder that you dont always get the girl/boy and it isnt always "happily ever-after".
Could be something that happens gradually through in-game choices too. If your love interest is a religious fanatic, and you side with the Mages too much. Some reaction should happen in those cases.
Maybe they had a long talk before she left, and they decided that he's playing Mr Mom while she's dealing with the threat of the rifts. Maybe she ate him. Maybe he's trying to get the baby to someplace safer while this disaster is going on while Morrigan is dealing with things in Orlais.
It doesn't have to fubar up your head canon unless you think Morrigan who was all 'come here come here come here, go away go away go away' would be suddenly touchy feely and attached to your warden at the hip.Disasters come and people do what they can. Is it so hard to believe that they had each a role to play. Her's is just more tied to the Inquisitor's story and his is behind the scenes with their son?
'she ate him" lol
that's it. thats what happened.
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That's just nonsense. i'm glad you're not a writer. Lol.
Actually I am a writer. Published one too. It is my job.
Well the Warden can stab Morrigan as well.
We are talking about 10 years here. Most relationships don't last that long. It is not outside the realm of reason that a Love Interest might have dumped the Warden.
This makes our choices in DA:O worthless
Might as well make a canon TES did
2 options in my mind
One would be raising and protecting the God-Child. Teaching them everything they know and nurturing what could possibly end up being one of the most influential figures in the future of Thedas.
Second would be to meet them somewhere in the Deep Roads, working with the Architect to uncover the true nature of the Taint (if they survived). Otherwise, I could see the Warden facing the Calling in a truly epic fashion and go deeper than anyone else has ever gone before, perhaps even as far as standing guard to one of the remaining Old Gods and holding back the Darkspawn from corrupting it.
I feel that either of those things would service the character's legacy, and provide an honorable conclusion to that legendary character's tale.
I agree
2 options in my mind
One would be raising and protecting the God-Child. Teaching them everything they know and nurturing what could possibly end up being one of the most influential figures in the future of Thedas.
Second would be to meet them somewhere in the Deep Roads, working with the Architect to uncover the true nature of the Taint (if they survived). Otherwise, I could see the Warden facing the Calling in a truly epic fashion and go deeper than anyone else has ever gone before, perhaps even as far as standing guard to one of the remaining Old Gods and holding back the Darkspawn from corrupting it.
I feel that either of those things would service the character's legacy, and provide an honorable conclusion to that legendary character's tale.
Good ideas
Except dying
My Warden would be happy to help the Architect or/and Avernus
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