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[Vapaa]

I don't understand the meta-level complaining though.  You are complaining about people complaining.  You are demanding that people don't demand.  To what end?  If Bioware wants to respond, they can.  If not, they'll ignore.  They don't really need white knight posters to come in and police threads for them. 

 

No, people are free to complain, but if they run around pretend that Bioware ows them any kind of explanation, then I'll snark.

 

They don't really need white knight posters to come in and police threads for them. 

 

"White knight posters", "Police the threads"...who, me ? seriously ? well, whatever floats your boat

 

Lol you got me, well they made Blackwall an Li even though he's probably close to his calling( he's been a GW for awhile apparently) so I don't see why we couldn't have a Viv romance.

 

Blackwall was written as a LI, Vivienne wasn't, the are plenty of potential reasons for that both in-universe and meta, but the fact of the matter is: Bioware makes the call and we just have to run with it.

[Helios969]

I've thought about this actually.  I think the most likely reason is that she has some story-related content that prohibits her from being a romance.  Either she is already in a relationship or is carrying around some emotional scars from a past relationship.  It could be as some suggested that she is too focused on her career but I would find such to be unsatisfying.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

The real reason why that they don't want Vivienne as a love interest, because they don't want no one to romance a black woman, "Look but don't touch." But I don't see what's the big deal of why they want to do that. If they don't want to have her in the game then don't put her there. I think she should be a love interest to show her vulnerable soft side if her character, and not just be friends and not make love to a black goddess. They're doing us black gamers a disservice.

[Catilina]

Vivienne is a sculpture. Who want to sex with the sculpture?  It is twisted...

[Evamitchelle]

The real reason why that they don't want Vivienne as a love interest, because they don't want no one to romance a black woman, "Look but don't touch." But I don't see what's the big deal of why they want to do that. If they don't want to have her then don't put them there. I think she should be a love interest to show her vulnerable soft side if her character, and not just be friends and not make love to a black goddess. They're doing us black people a disservice.

 

Isabela?

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Isabela?

She's a person of color but she's not of African descent, she looks like she's Indian or Moorish Spaniard. (Duncan as well) What I'm saying that they don't want us to make love to a REAL black woman, not just a woman with dark skin with European features or descent of Indian/Moorish blood. They did it with Jacob on ME2 so why can't they do the same with Vivienne? Sorry SOBS.......

[GoldenGail3]

No..... Thank the Maker she isn't. My Cassandra romance might have jumped ship if that was possible (He likes woman that tell him her mind and can beat him up, but I don't think Vivienne will be like that though if romanced so I don't think so. Plus she'd be male Human only though and he's not a Human; he's an Elf).

[Hanako Ikezawa]

She's a person of color but she's not of African descent, she looks like she's Indian or Moorish Spaniard. (Duncan as well) What I'm saying that they don't want us to make love to a REAL black woman, not just a woman with dark skin with European features or descent of Indian/Moorish blood. They did it with Jacob on ME2 so why can't they do the same with Vivienne? Sorry SOBS.......

She is as black as Vivienne, since both are of Rivaini descent. As for her having European facial features, that is because of the limitations of the engine they used for Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age 2 I believe. 

 

As for her not being a love interest, it makes perfect sense. For most of the game she is in a relationship with Duke Bastien, and at near the end of the game he passes away so she is in grief thus not ready to get into bed with anybody else. 

[Tidus]

Vivienne as a romance partner  is a turn off since she is obviously high class and use to champagne and caviar while poor Tidus has a beer pocket book and sardine taste.  

[Ghost Gal]

Meh, no love lost here.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Vivienne as a romance partner is a turn off since she is obviously high class and use to champagne and caviar while poor Tidus has a beer pocket book and sardine taste.

Hey might as well get some incense, candles ,and a bathhouse facing the moonlight, giving her a massage and caressing her god given body. They can use their imagination with that!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They do done it with Jacob looking good (no ******) and they said they have limitations on the engine?

The Mass Effect trilogy ran on a different engine than DAO and DA2. 

That is one of the most gayest **** I ever heard in my life.

There is no reason to be uncivil. I'm just a messenger.

And they can make her a romance option after he died

Her lover dies within like a month of the end of the game. Getting into a relationship that soon goes against her character.

I still think they don't want us to romance a black woman just because they have issues with that.

You can think what you want. Just know that what you think is factually wrong.

What's the big deal?

There is none.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

No..... Thank the Maker she isn't. My Cassandra romance might have jumped ship if that was possible (He likes woman that tell him her mind and can beat him up, but I don't think Vivienne will be like that though if romanced so I don't think so. Plus she'd be male Human only though and he's not a Human; he's an Elf).

Cause Vivienne got body from God that's why Cass would jump ship! I don't see what the big deal is, what they should've done is to make her character more softer and sympathetic for pursuing her as a love interest. They can do it but they chose not to.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Cause Vivienne got body from God that's why Cass would jump ship! I don't see what the big deal is, what they should've done is to make her character more softer and sympathetic for pursuing her as a love interest. They can do it but they chose not to.

So make her not Vivienne?

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

The Mass Effect trilogy ran on a different engine than DAO and DA2.
There is no reason to be uncivil. I'm just a messenger.
Her lover dies within like a month of the end of the game. Getting into a relationship that soon goes against her character.
You can think what you want. Just know that what you think is factually wrong since in SWTOR there is a black woman available as a romance if you play an Imperial Agent and Isabela in Dragon Age 2 who is the same race as Vivienne.
There is none. I'm not the one freaking out about how I can't have sex with a character thus seeing that as a company being prejudiced.

Dude I didn't meant that you said was gay, I said what they said what you telling me was a lame ass excuse. Cassandra moved on from her lover being dead @ the Conclave and she's a romance option, so why Vivienne is the only female character had never moved on from hers? I find that very suspicious just saying. ( click on the link about colored people https://m.reddit.com...mong_humans_in/ to have some insights) And I am not freaking out I'm just dissapointed that Vivienne is not a romance option, and don't take what I said literal, we just have some misunderstandings about **** that's all.

[Merela]

Dude I didn't meant that you said was gay, I said what they said what you telling me was a lame ass excuse. Cassandra moved on from her lover being dead @ the Conclave and she's a romance option, so why Vivienne is the only female character had never moved on from hers? I find that very suspicious just saying. ( click on the link about colored people https://m.reddit.com...mong_humans_in/ to have some insights) And I am not freaking out I'm just dissapointed that Vivienne is not a romance option, and don't take what I said literal, we just have some misunderstandings about **** that's all.

 

Actually the love affair between Cass and Galyan was long done by the time the Breach happened. Which is why she's romanceable.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Actually the love affair between Cass and Galyan was long done by the time the Breach happened. Which is why she's romanceable.

When I talked to her, she mentions that she's still in love with him (no wonder @ the beginning of the game that she wants to kill you, 'cause she thinks your responsible for killing everyone and her boyfriend that she loved died there.) At least make her a romance option one of the DLCs or the end of the game what they should've have activities and more interactions with companions.

[Merela]

When I talked to her, she mentions that she's still in love with him (no wonder @ the beginning of the game that she wants to kill you, 'cause she thinks your responsible for killing everyone and her boyfriend that she loved died there.) At least make her a romance option one of the DLCs or the end of the game what they should've have activities and more interactions with companions.

 

Actually, she mentions during her romance that Galyan was the only other man she's loved aside from the Inquisitor. When non-romanced, she has that banter with Varric:

 

• Cassandra: Very well, Varric. If you wish to know about men I have known, I will tell you.
• Varric: Look, Seeker. I was only...
• Cassandra: You are right. I pried first, and fair is fair. Years ago, I knew a young mage named Regalyan. He was dashing, unlike any men I met. He died at the Conclave.
• Varric: ...oh.
• Cassandra: What we had was fleeting. And years had passed. Still, it saddens me to think he's gone.
• Varric: I'm sorry.

So they were no longer in love. Though I agree the pain of losing him, and Justinia, and the others is why she was so angry at the beginning.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Actually, she mentions during her romance that Galyan was the only other man she's loved aside from the Inquisitor. When non-romanced, she has that banter with Varric:

• Cassandra: Very well, Varric. If you wish to know about men I have known, I will tell you.
• Varric: Look, Seeker. I was only...
• Cassandra: You are right. I pried first, and fair is fair. Years ago, I knew a young mage named Regalyan. He was dashing, unlike any men I met. He died at the Conclave.
• Varric: ...oh.
• Cassandra: What we had was fleeting. And years had passed. Still, it saddens me to think he's gone.
• Varric: I'm sorry.

So they were no longer in love. Though I agree the pain of losing him, and Justinia, and the others is why she was so angry at the beginning.

I still think they should have Vivienne as a romance option. The whole "Duke Bastien not moving on to someone else" was a lame ass excuse for not to pursue her, simply because there's something about a black woman they don't like to have as a romantic interest. What a damn shame. Maybe in the next Dragon Age.

[GoldenGail3]

Cause Vivienne got body from God that's why Cass would jump ship! I don't see what the big deal is, what they should've done is to make her character more softer and sympathetic for pursuing her as a love interest. They can do it but they chose not to.

Now that I think of it; I don't think my Lavellen would like her in that way. He's too rebellious for his own good; Vivienne would be more of an one night stand for him before returning to Cassandra.

[yoo109]

She's a ******.

She will probably sleep with you because it brings her power, which is so not romantic!

[GoldenGail3]

She's a ******.
She will probably sleep with you because it brings her power, which is so not romantic!

Dats true indeed. My Male Lavellan would sleep with her simply becuase he can (I headcount he either doesn't have his daughter with his first love and continues his ways on members of the Inquiston or he does and ends up with Cassandra without flirting with anyone else.)

[Andraste_Reborn]

I'd find it pretty disturbing if Vivienne buried her long-time lover and then instantly moved on to the Inquisitor. It was creepy enough when Jaheira did it in Baldur's Gate 2.

 

I mean, they could have structured events differently or gotten rid of the Bastien subplot altogether if they'd wanted her to be a romance, but clearly they didn't, for whatever reason. (I think the reason is far more likely to be 'Mary Kirby doesn't really like writing romances' than racism. Of all her characters across three Dragon Age games, Merrill was the only romance. Compare that to Jennifer Hepler and Patrick Weekes who wrote two each despite working on fewer games than Kirby, Sheryl Chee writing three and David Gaider being responsible for a whopping six Dragon Age romances.)

[Illegitimus]

Dude I didn't meant that you said was gay, I said what they said what you telling me was a lame ass excuse. Cassandra moved on from her lover being dead @ the Conclave and she's a romance option, 

 

 

They were together...briefly about 15 years prior to the conclave.  It's not the same.  

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

She's a ******.
She will probably sleep with you because it brings her power, which is so not romantic!

Yeah alright. There is an element of truth in that. But who cares she's HOT. Whip me, beat me, make me write hot checks!