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A Request for Demisexuality in Bioware Games


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I think people make too big of a deal with labels and sexuality.  I know gay dudes who have had sex with women while we were showering, I mean, when they were showering with their female roommates.  I know straight guys who have let gay dudes go down at the gym and still think they're straight.

 

This whole label business is not inclusive, but exclusive and divisive.  It closes doors instead of opening them.

ok, but if they are having sex with both sexes, why anyone would seriously entertain the idea that they are homosexual is a bit beyond me



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I think people make too big of a deal with labels and sexuality.  I know gay dudes who have had sex with women while we were showering, I mean, when they were showering with their female roommates.  I know straight guys who have let gay dudes go down at the gym and still think they're straight.

 

I wouldn't call these people gay or straight as much as I would call them bisexual, then. When a gay guy has sex with a woman (and he isn't being raped), it typically means he's bisexual.


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I wouldn't call these people gay or straight as much as I would call them bisexual, then. When a gay guy has sex with a woman (and he isn't being raped), it typically means he's bisexual.

it's not entirely that rigid, that's why imo it is best to let people label themselves and leave it at that.



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ok, but if they are having sex with both sexes, why anyone would seriously entertain the idea that they are homosexual is a bit beyond me

 

I dunno.  If it's a one shot are you bi?  This is why I don't get hung up on labels.  I've had sex with women and men but I don't consider myself "bisexual" just "sexual".



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I dunno.  If it's a one shot are you bi?  This is why I don't get hung up on labels.  I've had sex with women and men but I don't consider myself "bisexual" just "sexual".

well I don't know if a turtle still considers itself a turtle, but that doesn't change that it fits the criteria


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it's not entirely that rigid, that's why imo it is best to let people label themselves and leave it at that.

 

If only it was that simple



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If only it was that simple

It is  though, I mean why argue whenever someone is something or isn't? If someone claims to be a unicorn from 7th dimension does it really matter?



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It is  though, I mean why argue whenever someone is something or isn't? If someone claims to be a unicorn from 7th dimension does it really matter?

 

Until one claims to be an oppressed minority (a brony literally said this) and asks that every single label created gets representation  



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well I don't know if a turtle still considers itself a turtle, but that doesn't change that it fits the criteria

 

 

I just don't believe that people are rigidly fixed.  I think we are all mostly something but there is still the boredom factor and appearance transcends gender at times.  It's like this, if say...ohhhh, Carson Kressley (had to pick a stereotypical femme) was given the choice of having to have sex with Rush Limbaugh at his fattest or Beyonce he'd pick Beyonce and still be gay.

 

I used to work with this "old queen" , how he referred to himself, when I was an intern in undergrad.  This man was out way back in the 1950s even in his small Maine town in the northern less liberal part of the state.  He was very, very femme.  He never dated a woman as a beard.  Never dated anyone but a male in his life and he said that he would have had sex with Liz Taylor in her prime.  He even said he masturbated thinking of her when he was younger.

 

I also know a dude who is positively straight, but he let a gay guy with a crush on him kiss him once because the guy was crying.  No sex, but still kissing (to me) is very intimate--especially when someone is crying.

 

We are all capable of having sex with attractive people of both genders, but we prefer one more to the other and it could be that 99% of the time it will be _________sex, but there is still that one person out there we'd smash if the opportunity presented itself.

 

My unscientific opinion only.


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Until one claims to be an oppressed minority (a brony literally said this) and asks that every single label created gets representation  

That happens with every group....even the straight one.



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Until one claims to be an oppressed minority (a brony literally said this) and asks that every single label created gets representation  

The day dragon age has a brony character, I'm out, and I'm not coming back... those dudes creep me out.


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it's not entirely that rigid, that's why imo it is best to let people label themselves and leave it at that.

Not really. If you're "gay" and you have sex with someone of the opposite sex (and you're not raped, thus implying permission), then you aren't "gay", you're bisexual by definition. Same goes for straight. If you're "straight" and you have sex with someone of the same sex w/ consent, you aren't straight.



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Not really. If you're "gay" and you have sex with someone of the opposite sex (and you're not raped, thus implying permission), then you aren't "gay", you're bisexual by definition. Same goes for straight. If you're "straight" and you have sex with someone of the same sex w/ consent, you aren't straight.

 

 

 

 

You can have fish once a year and still call yourself a vegetarian, I think.


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You can have fish once a year and still call yourself a vegetarian, I think.

yeah and I can eat meat every day and call myself a vegan, doesn't make it true


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You can have fish once a year and still call yourself a vegetarian, I think.

 

Sure, except diet and sexual orientation are entirely different. One can choose what diet they follow. One doesn't choose their sexual orientation.



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Sure, except diet and sexual orientation are entirely different. One can choose what diet they follow. One doesn't choose their sexual orientation.

 

You can choose your sexual orientation.  Some people are born a certain way but you can change that with an open mind.  Cynthia Nixon says she's not attracted to women just her "wife".



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You can choose your sexual orientation.  Some people are born a certain way but you can change that with an open mind.  Cynthia Nixon says she's not attracted to women just her "wife".


Did she choose to be attracted to her wife, though?

No quotes necessary there, btw; they're married, full stop.

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Technically your character could already be "demisexual"? You have to get to know the characters before romancing them, you don't just instantly have sex with them... like couldn't Samara already be demisexual since she doesn't show any romantic interest in you until Citadel DLC? Any of the nonromancable companions could possibly be that already and they just feel they don't know you well enough yet....



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Not trying to troll or belittle the OP's request, but just adding food for thought. What the OP described as a demisexual is something one can role play in their head to a certain extent. There is no way a video game or any media of entertainment for that matter, can properly represent or cater towards every group of people on the planet without another group either feeling offended, misrepresented, or altogether left out.

 

Most people don't even know what a demisexual is. A disabled gamer may request and protest devs to add NPC's with walkers and wheelchairs. Nothing wrong with that, but my point is as soon as one group of people is satisfied, another group of people will feel the exact opposite. Then the cycle starts all over again.

 

We can make suggestions and voice our feedback and opinions, but our expectations have to be somewhat realistic. In the end, we have to allow devs, authors, screenwriters, musicians and story tellers to tell the story they want to tell and let our wallets speak for us. Especially with RPG's, at some point, you have to role play certain scenarios in your head.

 

Like the old saying goes, "You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can never please all of the people all of the time".


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Not really. If you're "gay" and you have sex with someone of the opposite sex (and you're not raped, thus implying permission), then you aren't "gay", you're bisexual by definition. Same goes for straight. If you're "straight" and you have sex with someone of the same sex w/ consent, you aren't straight.

 

Or you can then realize it really wasn't much fun or your cup of tea at all, and continue with your life the way it was before..? That one encounter you didn't even like makes you somehow 'attracted' to whatever sex you found out you don't actually enjoy sleeping with forever...? :huh:

 

You can choose your sexual orientation.  Some people are born a certain way but you can change that with an open mind.  Cynthia Nixon says she's not attracted to women just her "wife".

 

wat even



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:huh:

 

What, what?  I can choose my sexual orientation?  That's news to me.   Especially since Ms. Nixon clearly stated that she wasn't attracted to women prior to meeting her wife.   That doesn't mean she finds her wife the only woman that's attractive at this point.  She gave an excellent interview about her experience here.  When it comes to being attracted to women, this was one of the main relevant parts of the article.  I did read the whole thing:

 

http://www.advocate....st-sex?page=0,0

 

Since the initial acknowledgment, Nixon has opened up about Marinoni’s identity and their life together, but she maintains that coming out wasn’t the result of an earth-shattering personal revelation. There was no knock-you-down sense of shock, no Sturm und Drang about tiptoeing into queer territory. Nor does she think she was hardwired from birth to one day emerge from a sexual chrysalis as a lesbian. “I identify as gay as a political stance,” she says. “If anybody, prior to my meeting and falling in love with Christine, had asked me about what I think about sexuality, I would have said I think we’re all bisexual. But I had that point of view without ever having felt attracted to a woman. I had never met a woman I was attracted to [before Christine]. And maybe if I’d met her when I was 20, I would have fallen in love and only dated women. But maybe if I’d met her at 20, I wouldn’t have responded at all. Who knows?

 

She's far from the only celebrity to come out later in life.  Another good example is Meredith Baxter, who came out as a lesbian at the age of 63.  She was the mom from the 80s show Family Ties, and more recently played Ellen Rush in the mystery show Cold Case.

 

More on topic, I'm surprised at folks that are so vehemently against the idea of demisexual romance.   Isn't the same old thing over and over again tiresome?  The same kinds of romance, only as gay, lesbian, bi/pansexual and straight?  I'm supportive of LGBT romances, and I enjoy having them in the game.  However, a character that isn't interested in sex, that doesn't show attraction outside of actually getting to know the player, would be welcome.  This would help build a friendship with the player that can lead to romance that currently isn't seen often in most BioWare games.  I'm all for new ideas, so why not?  There isn't any harm in it.

 

I find it interesting that any new idea is automatically dismissed as some form of "catering."  If the only "crime" is being outside the outside the norm, why should it be considered catering?  I want the writers to try something new, and expand their horizons.  I post in threads like this because, as someone that's played video games for over 30 years, has grown weary of the same old heroes and ideas from the big budget companies.  BioWare is one of the only AAA companies willing to try something new.  

 

Besides, Patrick and Karen Weekes have both expressed interest in an asexual romance at last year's GaymerX Con.  From there, it's safe to assume that they are open to ideas regarding different types of sexuality.    I think demisexuality would be a great idea as well.   


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#447
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Not really. If you're "gay" and you have sex with someone of the opposite sex (and you're not raped, thus implying permission), then you aren't "gay", you're bisexual by definition. Same goes for straight. If you're "straight" and you have sex with someone of the same sex w/ consent, you aren't straight.

Sexual behavior, sexual orientation and sexual identity are not always one and the same. What we are attracted to and what we do about it (or with it) may differ for "reasons". A man who had sex with a woman once and found out that he didn't like it, probably won't call himself a bisexual. A man who had to have sex with a woman and even have children because "appearances" also probably won't call himself a bisexual, etc.

 

It is highly debatable whenever a drunk out his mind straight guy who had sex with another man did it because of repressed tendencies or because in the end a stimuli is a stimuli, it's difficult to know which one applies, sometimes not even the said straight guy will know why.



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I think people make too big of a deal with labels and sexuality.  I know gay dudes who have had sex with women while we were showering, I mean, when they were showering with their female roommates.  I know straight guys who have let gay dudes go down at the gym and still think they're straight.

 

This whole label business is not inclusive, but exclusive and divisive.  It closes doors instead of opening them.

 

I recommend anyone and everyone watch Bedrooms and Hallways.

Which is great and all but has jack to do with gaming, i mean any games really..



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Did she choose to be attracted to her wife, though?

No quotes necessary there, btw; they're married, full stop.

 

I used "wife" in quotes because they don't use that word but I wanted others to understand that it's legal, anyway she said she was not sexually attracted to her, but was attracted to her spirit.

 

So is that gay?  She doesn't think she was born gay.  If they divorced she would return to her state of normal sexual preference.  You can choose gay.  I dated a girl for about 4 months (she asked me out) and I realized that it wasn't visceral and just severe cuddling (mentally) for me and that it would be wrong to keep dating her when she was attracted in a way I was not.  I had sex.  It was "fun" but it wasn't earth shattering.

 

Many gay men date women and have sex before they decide what IS earth shattering.  Are they not "gay" because they could get it up for a chick?

 

Sexuality is complicated.



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Which is great and all but has jack to do with gaming, i mean any games really..

 

It has a lot to do with it.  They could reverse the trend and go back to the DA2 style of gaming where the characters are whatever you are and be done with it.  People will be upset that they don't have some exclusive character, but whatever.  We all have to throw a little pretend in and imagination, anyway.