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[Gileadan]

But the bacon is real. It's right here. It identifies as Black Forest bacon, and it will not be represented by your average, everyday, no-special-label bacon!

[Saphiron123]

But the bacon is real. It's right here. It identifies as Black Forest bacon, and it will not be represented by your average, everyday, no-special-label bacon!

As long as your black forest bacon can accept it's inferior to white forest bacon, I'm comfortable with it. 

[DirkJake]

I'm not going to start arguing the validity of demisexuality, because I'm certainly no expert on it. I will, however give my own interpretation of it.

Here is AVEN's definition of a demisexual:

"Demisexual: Someone who can only experience sexual attraction after an emotional bond has been formed. This bond does not have to be romantic in nature."

 

So its important to bear in mind that we're talking about sexual attraction here, not sexual activity.

Anyone, of any sexuality can make the decision to not have sex until they know someone well, to only sleep with the person they are in a relationship with, or to abstain until they are married. The distinction between demisexuality and non-demisexuality is a demisexual is literally incapable of finding someone sexually attractive unless they have a strong emotional connection to them, whereas a non-demisexual can find someone sexually attractive upon meeting them for the first time or simply seeing a picture of them.

 

And yes, that is rather confusing. Don't even get me started on the definition of 'sexual attraction'...

 

I think this is quite elucidating. So, a demisexual person is one who is totally incapable of feeling sexual attraction unless they have an emotional bond with that someone. In that case, I know for certain I am not demisexual lol. 

 

 

I'm sick of these made up pork products trying to shove their agenda down my throat because they want to feel like "special snowflakes"!

 

 

Please check your chicken privilege, Dave 

[Lady Artifice]

Since you asked, it's under the umbrella of asexuality according to psychological studies and physiological studies on human sexuality. I consider psychology and physiology both sciences.  In 2011, the US National Library of Medicine-National Institudes of health published a very interesting study here:

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/20857185

 

In fact, Dr. Anthony Bogaert of Brock University in Canada is professor of sexual behavior and psychology.  He also has an emphasis on uncovering myths about a lot of sexual orientations, including asexuality:

 

http://academicminut...uality-studies/

 

If you want to go back, Alfred Kinsey back in 1948 with his famous Kinsey Scale had a listing as X for those that didn't have social-sexual contacts or relations.  Many researchers since then have argued that the scale wasn't reflective of the entire scope of sexual orientation.  I'd list more examples, but hopefully you get the idea.

 

In short, by testing both physical and psychological reactions, asexuality does indeed exist.  Now, consider that demisexuals are much the same, only they do get turned on if the relationship is deep enough.  I've talked to asexuals here on the forums that have been with the same person for years, love them dearly, but still don't get sexually aroused.

 

What makes a demisexual relationship work so well for Dragon Age is that demisexuals do have a sex drive, once they are close enough to a person.  That would be a great way to include asexuality (which I'll remind you again, Patrick and Karen Weekes talked about being very interested in doing) while still having room for some sort of sex scene.  My only catch would be that I'd want the sex scenes to be optional, like in ME3 where you could choose to just cuddle on the couch before the end.

 

A bi-romantic demisexual would be my choice.  That is someone that can love and have romantic relationships with both genders, but still has to be deeply in love with them to have any sexual interest whatsoever.

 

If you're asking if there is some sort of "Asexuality" or "Demisexuality" gene that's been proven by science, the answer is no.  Again I stress, what's the harm in trying something different?  Is anyone afraid that they won't get more options for straight/gay/bisexual people if they do something outside of the usual?  The writers have said time and time again they aren't interested in fairness for romances, and that includes LGBT as well as straight folks.  

 

Let's try something different here, and instead of making this into a stupid argument about Tumblr, or "realism" or "fairness" or any other crap some folks like to fling around, let's go with, "What would be a good in a fantasy game?"  I'd say, "Why not try something different like this?"

 

::hugs this post, longing for a like to give it::

[eyezonlyii]

I think this is quite elucidating. So, a demisexual person is one who is totally incapable of feeling sexual attraction unless they have an emotional bond with that someone. In that case, I know for certain I am not demisexual lol. 

 

 

 

 

Please check your chicken privilege, Dave 

Looks like someone's beefin' now...

[Andraste_Reborn]

Why do we still have the trollop character?????????????????

 

Because some of us love them? I'd be happy to see a demisexual character in the series, but that doesn't mean we have to get rid of the sluts. (Using 'sluts' in a sex-positive, non-judgemental manner here.)

 

Occasionally I fantasise about having an aromantic character in the series. Imagine someone like Zevran/Isabela/Iron Bull, only instead of falling for you after you start having sex with them, they want to keep it friendly and physical. Maybe they even go 'whoah, no!' and break it off forever if you confess your love.

[daveliam]

I know what demisexuality is and I think they've had demisexual-esque relationships in several games. Alistair's romance in DA:O is a great example.

Demisexual isn't exactly something a character in a game can say they are. They could, but it would be kinda weird and out of place. With some BioWare romances the characters don't want to sleep with the PC unless they've got a strong, emotional bond with them.

 

I agree.  I think that Josephine, Merrill, and Alistair are all people who might be seen as being demisexual.  And I also agree that it's hard for them to self-identify, unless they wrote the romance like Josephine's and then added a line where the person says something like, "I just never thought of you that way until I got to know you." or something like that.

[o Ventus]

 

It's just soooooooooooooo over done. Please  Bioware  Give us something different.

They do give us something different. It's called "literally every other character besides Zevran, Isabela, and Bull".

[o Ventus]

An asexual person can have a sex drive. Asexual means that you don't experience sexual attraction. Sexual attraction and sex drive are two completely different things. It's basically that if I see someone I wouldn't be "wow that person is so attractive I want to have sex with them." I can still be asexual and want to have sex. Asexuals who don't like sex are sexually aversive asexuals, so that's a different subcategory. Asexual =/= anti-sex.

That sort of defeats the purpose of asexuality. Unless you're working as a prostitute, why would you ever have sex with someone you're not attracted to? The entire idea of attraction is to make a person want to have sex with someone else.

[Andraste_Reborn]

And honestly I think it's ridiculous that people keep asking for so many different things.

 

Eh, I don't think there's anything wrong with fans just speculating and saying 'wouldn't it be cool if ...?' I don't expect BioWare to ever put an aromantic character in one of their games, any more than I expect them to produce a dwarf romance or a gay knight in shining armour just because those are things I'd like to see. But given that this is a forum for feedback and suggestions, I don't see any harm in expressing an interest in seeing things.

[o Ventus]

I feel that Zevran was more separate from Bull and Isabela in that he had more depth to him. Isabela and Bull it's all about sex and that's basically their romance plot, but with Zevran you find out that there's more to it and that he has a darker past after what happened with Rina. The feels are real.

It's similar with Isabela. She turned to promiscuity because her old marriage was loveless and her former husband tried to prostitute her to his friends at a party. She'd been burned by romance up to that point and only ever had casual encounters to prevent getting close to people because she doesn't want to repeat her previous marriage. Bull, best I can tell, is just promiscuous for the hell of it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I agree.  I think that Josephine, Merrill, and Alistair are all people who might be seen as being demisexual.  And I also agree that it's hard for them to self-identify, unless they wrote the romance like Josephine's and then added a line where the person says something like, "I just never thought of you that way until I got to know you." or something like that.

As stated before, it would be easier to have it stated ingame in games like Mass Effect where terminology for sexual orientations exist. For Dragon Age, it would most likely require a dev saying as such. 

 

That said, there is some dialogues that could work. They were posted early in the thread. 

[o Ventus]

That defeats the purpose of asexuality? Since when does asexuality or any orientation have a purpose? You can be asexual and have sex with someone your romantically attracted to. And seriously? Having sex for the sake of having sex. That's the national sport nowadays. 
And no that is not the entire idea of attraction. I'm a panromantic asexual. I would know.

There totally isn't. I just think it's ridiculous if they actually think BioWare is going to take all of it into account.

"Asexuality" isn't an orientation. Not in the same way as hetero- or homosexuality. If you're romantically involved with someone and you're having sex with them, then you're sexually attracted to them. If you're romantically involved with anyone, you are by definition sexually attracted to them, at least a little bit. That attraction is one of the things that drew you to whoever it is your with. When you look at someone and determine that they're "hot", that's sexual attraction. Assuming you aren't working as a prostitute (you as a general label, not *you* you), you're either an idiot or an a**hole for having sex with someone you don't think is attractive. Or very drunk.

 

Please, don't give yourself vague and nondescript labels like "panromantic asexual", it makes you sound like a 16-year old Tumblrina who wants to stand out and be able to call herself LGBT, but still get away with dating boys.

[o Ventus]

She never really loved her husband though. I'm pretty sure she was promiscuous before then iirc.

And then there's the fact that Zevran wanted the Warden to kill him. That's another big difference.

She was not.

 

Zevran wanted the Warden to spare him. The total opposite of wanting the Warden to kill him.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

She was not.

 

Zevran wanted the Warden to spare him. The total opposite of wanting the Warden to kill him.

Zevran admits that the reason he took the contract on the Warden was because he was hoping to die as punishment for what he did to Raina. Being the Warden's companion is what made him want to live again. 

[o Ventus]

Zevran admits that the reason he took the contract on the Warden was because he was hoping to die as punishment for what he did to Raina. Being the Warden's companion is what made him want to live again. 

He also doesn't want the Warden to kill him, which was the point I was responding to. He DOES ask to be spared.

[daveliam]

I feel that Zevran was more separate from Bull and Isabela in that he had more depth to him. Isabela and Bull it's all about sex and that's basically their romance plot, but with Zevran you find out that there's more to it and that he has a darker past after what happened with Rina. The feels are real.

 

I actually feel that Zevran is the least deep of those three.  He's probably the least compelling romance option in the DA series as far as I'm concerned, but that's off topic.

 

Eh, I don't think there's anything wrong with fans just speculating and saying 'wouldn't it be cool if ...?' I don't expect BioWare to ever put an aromantic character in one of their games, any more than I expect them to produce a dwarf romance or a gay knight in shining armour just because those are things I'd like to see. But given that this is a forum for feedback and suggestions, I don't see any harm in expressing an interest in seeing things.

 

My big concern is that if we ever do get a dwarf romance or gay KISA or explicitly stated demisexual, it will immediately be dismissed as 'fanservice' now.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

He also doesn't want the Warden to kill him, which was the point I was responding to. He DOES ask to be spared.

I was just saying what I think they were referring to. 

 

 

My big concern is that if we ever do get a dwarf romance or gay KISA or explicitly stated demisexual, it will immediately be dismissed as 'fanservice' now.

Romances are already considered fanservice. And really, what's wrong with fanservice? I never got how a company making stuff they know will appeal to fans became a negative.