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A Request for Demisexuality in Bioware Games


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My big concern is that if we ever do get a dwarf romance or gay KISA or explicitly stated demisexual, it will immediately be dismissed as 'fanservice' now.

 

That already happened with the Cullen romance. If they ever do give us a dwarf romance or a gay KISA, I intend to adopt the same attitude towards people who complain that Cullen fans seem to have. ("Oh, you're whinging about fanservice because people happened to get a thing they asked for? Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of my character banging this guy like a screen door in a hurricane.")


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"Asexuality" isn't an orientation. Not in the same way as hetero- or homosexuality. If you're romantically involved with someone and you're having sex with them, then you're sexually attracted to them. If you're romantically involved with anyone, you are by definition sexually attracted to them, at least a little bit. That attraction is one of the things that drew you to whoever it is your with. When you look at someone and determine that they're "hot", that's sexual attraction. Assuming you aren't working as a prostitute (you as a general label, not *you* you), you're either an idiot or an a**hole for having sex with someone you don't think is attractive. Or very drunk.
 
Please, don't give yourself vague and nondescript labels like "panromantic asexual", it makes you sound like a 16-year old Tumblrina who wants to stand out and be able to call herself LGBT, but still get away with dating boys.


For starters, I'm extremely surprised that the idea of casual sex is something you have never heard of.

You are the exact problem with the LGBTQ community. The simple THOUGHT that I wouldn't have kids prompted my mother to yell at me and tell me to "never say that again". Even if I did "date boys" and I was asexual, that is not the same thing as being straight and it is being a member of the LGBTQ community because you still have to put up with **** like this. People thinking that you're a jerk for "pretending" to be queer in order to be unique and fit into the community because in reality they don't have to go through any hardships when actually, they do. That's an extremely despicable and judgmental view of something you have no knowledge of.

I am aware asexuality isn't a sexual orientation, but rather the lack-there-of, but it still isn't something you can control. There are different types of asexuality. People who find sex gross, people who have no problem with sex but don't feel the need to have it, and people who have a sex drive. Let it be known that having a sex drive doesn't necessarily mean you have casual sex. Calling people like that overtly drunk or ******** is essentially the same as saying that all bisexuals cheat on their partners.

It is important that I'm a panromantic asexual because "asexual" doesn't entail much. I can be asexual and still experience romantic attraction. Sexual and romantic orientation don't necessarily have anything to do with each other. In fact, a person can be romantically attracted to woman but sexually attracted to men. It's not common, but it happens. I'm guessing you're going to say those people are sickos, though.
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I can't control the fact that I find guys with beards hot.  Nothing that we find attractive is controllable, it just is.  Some people can't get it up without violence.  The BDSM community could be represented, too if we're going that way.

 

I'm not trying to be disrespectful to people's sexual struggles, joys, etc. but did anyone at all forget that this is a game about heroism and fighting dragons?  If the gamers cater to every single type of sexual or asexual individual they will never finish coding the next game.

 

There is a certain aspect of fantasy lending you need to do with this stuff.  Blackwall is drawn older than my bf but the hair and beard are the same so I just pretend he's younger and when I can't see my guy I take Blackwall out to do campaigning.  My bf is not written into the game, but I managed to put him in it.



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Oh god, it's one of these threads again. Take your "progressivism" and SJW mindset and go home.

 

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Oh god, it's one of these threads again. Take your "progressivism" and SJW mindset and go home.
 
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Well that was a bit excessive. O_o



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The BDSM community could be represented, too if we're going that way.

 

It already is - by Iron Bull. (And probably Zevran, for that matter. "Ah, quiet insular communities. There's always something nasty going on behind closed doors. I hope it involves chains. I hope they ask me to join in.")

 

If the gamers cater to every single type of sexual or asexual individual they will never finish coding the next game.

 

I don't think anyone is saying that BioWare must jam a representative of every possible sexuality (or lack thereof) into a single game. Most of these threads are just 'things it would be cool to see some day' speculation. Plenty of people asked for better trans representation for years before DAI, and behold, we got Krem.

 

Take your "progressivism" and SJW mindset and go home. You don't belong in our Bioware games.

 

Why not? BioWare put plenty of progressive stuff in their games.


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Well that was a bit excessive. O_o

 

I'm beyond sick of SJWs/Tumblrsexuals/progressivists/inclusivists/whatever they call themselves these days.



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Well that was a bit excessive. O_o

 

Most think they're a troll anyway, so best to just ignore



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Oh god, it's one of these threads again. Take your "progressivism" and SJW mindset and go home.

 

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LOL at mocking "progressivism and SJW mindset" and then posting a gif of a sociopath violently murdering someone.  Yeah, the OP's clearly the one with issues...... :rolleyes:


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It already is - by Iron Bull. (And probably Zevran, for that matter. "Ah, quiet insular communities. There's always something nasty going on behind closed doors. I hope it involves chains. I hope they ask me to join in.")

I love that quote. XD



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Most think they're a troll anyway, so best to just ignore

 

Only Sera-lovers and Tumblrphiles think I'm a troll. Sometimes a "troll" is just a scared man's term for one with common sense.

 

LOL at mocking "progressivism and SJW mindset" and then posting a gif of a sociopath violently murdering someone.  Yeah, the OP's clearly the one with issues......  :rolleyes:

 

Cry me a river.



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Cry me a river.

 

Right back at ya, toots......



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I don't think anyone is saying that BioWare must jam a representative of every possible sexuality (or lack thereof) into a single game. Most of these threads are just 'things it would be cool to see some day' speculation. Plenty of people asked for better trans representation for years before DAI, and behold, we got Krem.

 

 

Krem was a horrible rep of MTF trans in many ways (my opinion).  If I was not told that the character was a FTM transman before playing I would have been shocked with the dialogue because I thought Krem was a lesbian.

 

They should have waited until they had better graphics maybe or ...I dunno.  I didn't think Krem was a successful trans character.  I mean, IF that hairstyle wasn't in the female hairstyles then maybe I would have been "Oh, is that a transman?"  But with their limited appearance choices and female character voice I would have thought butch lesbian.

 

 

Regardless, I get that a lot of people LIVE for the romance part of this game and that's not me.  I like it, don't get me wrong, I just don't live for it.



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Only Sera-lovers and Tumblrphiles think I'm a troll. Sometimes a "troll" is just a scared man's term for one with common sense.

 

Cry me a river.

 

That or your attitude that makes people think your a troll or something else  :rolleyes:


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Right back at ya, toots......

Kinda reminds me of my stalker who told me I have no life. XD


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Krem was a horrible rep of MTF trans in many ways (my opinion).  If I was not told that the character was a FTM transman before playing I would have been shocked with the dialogue because I thought Krem was a lesbian.

 

They should have waited until they had better graphics maybe or ...I dunno.  I didn't think Krem was a successful trans character.  I mean, IF that hairstyle wasn't in the female hairstyles then maybe I would have been "Oh, is that a transman?"  But with their limited appearance choices and female character voice I would have thought butch lesbian.

 

 

Regardless, I get that a lot of people LIVE for the romance part of this game and that's not me.  I like it, don't get me wrong, I just don't live for it.

 

Her/him/it being a transsexual was an entirely hamfisted addition to me (and to many others). I mean honestly, what did that add to the story? What'd that add to the character? What did that accomplish? I don't think transsexual procedures could work in a world like Thedas unless Bioware invents some kinky magic, and to that end it felt like nothing more than Bioware screaming "HEY TRANS PLAYERS WE INCLUDED YOU LOVE US PLEASE LOOK HOW PROGRESSIVE WE ARE". It felt like absolute gibbering nonsense.

 

Stark contrast to some game like Fallout, which for all its flaws handles homosexual characters very well. They don't shove their sexuality in your face, they don't constantly remind you of it, and it adds to the story and to the character. They aren't a minority just for inclusion's sake, they have PURPOSE for being there and they're well-written.



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Her/him/it being a transsexual was an entirely hamfisted addition to me (and to many others). I mean honestly, what did that add to the story? What'd that add to the character? What did that accomplish? I don't think transsexual procedures could work in a world like Thedas unless Bioware invents some kinky magic, and to that end it felt like nothing more than Bioware screaming "HEY TRANS PLAYERS WE INCLUDED YOU LOVE US PLEASE LOOK HOW PROGRESSIVE WE ARE". It felt like absolute gibbering nonsense.

 

Stark contrast to some game like Fallout, which for all its flaws handles homosexual characters very well. They don't shove their sexuality in your face, they don't constantly remind you of it, and it adds to the story and to the character. They aren't a minority just for inclusion's sake, they have PURPOSE for being there and they're well-written.

 

Krem was awful token, like if the South Park creators played this game...Krem would be a whole episode.  I was groaning for transpeople with the Krem thing.  I hate, hate tokenism.  

 

If their graphics team didn't completely suck with the hair thing they could have made it far more obvious and you wouldn't feel like a fool later in the game like I did when I was like "Woah, that's supposed to be a trans dude?"



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Her/him/it being a transsexual was an entirely hamfisted addition to me (and to many others). I mean honestly, what did that add to the story? What'd that add to the character? What did that accomplish? I don't think transsexual procedures could work in a world like Thedas unless Bioware invents some kinky magic, and to that end it felt like nothing more than Bioware screaming "HEY TRANS PLAYERS WE INCLUDED YOU LOVE US PLEASE LOOK HOW PROGRESSIVE WE ARE". It felt like absolute gibbering nonsense.

 

Stark contrast to some game like Fallout, which for all its flaws handles homosexual characters very well. They don't shove their sexuality in your face, they don't constantly remind you of it, and it adds to the story and to the character. They aren't a minority just for inclusion's sake, they have PURPOSE for being there and they're well-written.

I think it gave us a better understanding of Tevinter culture. It's oppression, it's social expectations, and it's not like they shoved it in our faces. Krem never even flat out says he (and yes, it is "he") is trans. It's only really brought up if the Inquisitor asks. :P



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Krem was awful token, like if the South Park creators played this game...Krem would be a whole episode.  I was groaning for transpeople with the Krem thing.  I hate, hate tokenism.  

 

If their graphics team didn't completely suck with the hair thing they could have made it far more obvious and you wouldn't feel like a fool later in the game like I did when I was like "Woah, that's supposed to be a trans dude?"

I liked Krem's character. Not because he's trans, but because I'm a fan of the snarky second-in-command kinda character. I don't know a lot about Maevaris, but from what I've heard they went about her a lot better.



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Why does a minority character need to add something to the story, other than showing people exist, when a majority character doesn't? You don't hear about Bioware screaming "love us" to the straight male gamers because they featured Blackwall in the game.


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I liked Krem's character. Not because he's trans, but because I'm a fan of the snarky second-in-command kinda character. I don't know a lot about Maevaris, but from what I've heard they went about her a lot better.

 

I didn't say I didn't like "Krem" just that they did a bad, bad job of the trans part.  I wasn't thinking "man" I was thinking butch lesbian --many of whom share Krem's experience.  My bf's butch lesbian friend from the marines also used to practice shaving in front of the mirror with her dad and looks a lot like Krem, she also took it down high and tight.

 

They should have spent more time (like also spent more time on hair) and did it right or not do it.



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Why does a minority character need to add something to the story, other than showing people exist, when a majority character doesn't? You don't hear about Bioware screaming "love us" to the straight male gamers because they featured Blackwall in the game.

 

When you're trying to be an advocate, which Bioware said they were on this, then you do need to add something to the story with the character or they are just a token character and that is worse than not being present at all.

 

Oh here ya go, rabble--here's a token trans for ya!  ((pats head))

 

Come on now...



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When you're trying to be an advocate, which Bioware said they were on this, then you do need to add something to the story with the character or they are just a token character and that is worse than not being present at all.

 

Oh here ya go, rabble--here's a token trans for ya!  ((pats head))

 

Come on now...

 

Umm no they don't, not every character needs to add to the overall story to exist


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Why does a minority character need to add something to the story, other than showing people exist, when a majority character doesn't? You don't hear about Bioware screaming "love us" to the straight male gamers because they featured Blackwall in the game.

 

Because other characters, even straights, existed for good reasons and added something to the world. Putting emphasis on a character when they have NO purpose other than to be a token is absolute horrible writing.

 

Not every character needs purpose to exist, no, but don't put emphasis on characters when they have no purpose to exist. Krem should've been a silent sideline character, if even that.



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Umm no they don't, not every character needs to add to the overall story to exist

 

WHEN you are trying to be an advocate for a segment of the community then do it.  Don't be half-assed and expect applause.  No, not every character does, but if you are going "Look at us!  We added this type of "character" first.  Look at us, aren't we inclusive" then don't be patronizing and do it the **** up.  None of this token crap.  None of this stereotype crap.

 

It's like adding only one black person in all of Thedas and then make him eat fried chicken.  That's effed up.