That's why I think it would be best if the LI knew what they were about, instead of the PC being their first and the one who made them feel this way. Can't be confused with orientation confusion if the LI isn't confused. It also wouldn't feed into the stereotype of the demisexual as "just a normal person who wants a special snowflake romance"
This made me think of a common problem for demisexuals. Since they only form attraction after building a strong bond, they tend to get 'friendzoned' by the target of their affection. We never had a love interest who had that happen top them in the past before. They either always got with their past love but it didn't last, never got a love at all, or just never cared for one at all.
Got to say I half expected this topic to be instantly flooded with negative posts - very glad to see i was wrong
Being honest I have to admit I was pretty ignorant as to the exact meaning of terms like demisexual - something helpful posters, like Kallen, have clarify a great deal. Have to agree with what others have said in that having it in game in a way that made clear that it was a demisexual romance/character could be challenging but not impossible.
Both more inclusivity and variety are very welcome in gaming, and Bioware does seem to be one a very small number of game companies that have a commitment to either. So done well its something I'd be very interested to see.
To be honest, I half expected it to as well.
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I don't want to put words in Kallen's mouth, but I think it was originally stated (in other threads) that Merrill would have been great if not Word of Godded as Bi.
You are correct. From when DA2 was released to when Gaider said she was bisexual at GaymerX this year, so for over three years, I thought I had representation through Merrill.
Its possible to be biromantic demisexual but you can't be bisexual demisexual. Well maybe someone could but I don't know how they'd define it.
Well, according to one of the sites I got the information from one can be demisexual and bisexual by "appending a gender orientation to the label". So Merrill for example would be demi-bisexual. Sort of like how people who are asexual can be heterosexual as well, thus are ace-heterosexual.
I try to see it as like an X and Y axis graph.
The X axis is the orientations like heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual, pansexual, etc. and explain what genders one may develop an attraction.
The Y axis is the orientations like asexual, demisexual, and sexual and explain how one may or may not develop an attraction.
When together it shows the possible combinations. Same applies to the romantic spectrums.
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That is a fairly dismissive comment. I sincerely hope you didn't mean for it to be read as it was.
First of all, this is a request. You don't have to agree with it. But there's no need to bring criticisms of people trying to avoid a very sensitive topic. Your example with Iron Bull's pansexuality, for example, heckles people because pansexuals already face erasure by people shoving them into the bisexual label. Which doesn't fit. More than that, Bull has been confirmed as pansexual, so people are simply correcting you if you call him bisexual. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be called bi if I was pan, and I would tell people as much if they asked. You don't have to do this aggressively, either, so I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you've run into some zealous posters that have soured your perspective.
Second, representation of invisible groups is important. Perhaps not to you, but to me it is. Half the people I know think that the "A" in LGBTQIA stands for "Allies"...it doesn't. Asexuals, to whom the letter is meant to refer, are often overlooked and underrepresented in media, like many other LGBTQIA groups. I don't know the last time I saw an asexual character that was confirmed as asexual...Sherlock Holmes from BBC's Sherlock, I believe, was confirmed as asexual. So we make do with what we can. Characters like Ariadne from Inception, Sherlock Holmes from the novels by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and my homeboy Bilbo Baggins from The Hobbit, have all been suspected and headcanoned as asexual. But this is what we're left to most of the time - and it's difficult, because asexuality does not imply a lack of romance. It states a lack of interest in sex. Which makes it easy for people to simply write it off or assume they are a sexual character shown outside of sexual situations.
This is particularly difficult for demisexuals, who fall in that gray-A spectrum and are unfortunately stuck in something of a middle. It is even more difficult because you face the dilemma of how to write these characters without erasing their sexualities...too far one way and they come across as sexual, and too far the other and people might think they're asexual (rare, but it's been known to happen). That is why I want to see it done. I want to see it tried because I have never seen a character made where its creator just says "yep, this character is demi, deal with it." End of conversation, it's confirmed, no one can argue it. Instead asexuality and demisexuality are left to linger in the shadows of doubt - are they or are they not? - while others can have confirmation for sexual characters, a privilege that some sexualities and asexualities are not entitled to. Just because it's difficult does not mean it shouldn't be tried. And while I'm usually wary of simple solutions, Word of God is easy enough to dispel any comments naysayers might have that contradict it.
So yes, I fully support the idea for a demi LI in a future title. And I will continue to do so. Thank you Kallen for putting this out there, and thank you to the posters that have been amenable to the concept.
Exactly. In all of my years of playing games, watching anime and television shows, reading books, etc there have been only around two dozen characters who may even possibly be demisexual, and only a few of those have some evidence to help support that assertion rather than just a feeling. To give a rather surprising example to me, one of them is Master Chief Petty Officer Spartan John-117. But like you said with asexual characters, they are almost never confirmed as such. For example none of the possibly demisexual characters on my list have been confirmed as such, at least to my knowledge.
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