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[Zobert]

Thedas now has STD?

 

 

 

You might want to rephrase this.

 

Yes probably and no, I won't rephrase.  Promiscuity had an evolutionary purpose for early humans.  Basic biology about the male sex drive pretty much shows were still not so far off from that.

[Handsome Jack]

My rant's not worth it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Thedas now has STD?

Anders heals Isabela of "one of those diseases" at his clinic. There are also occasional references to symptoms of those diseases throughout the games. 

[ThreeF]

Yes probably and no, I won't rephrase.  Promiscuity had an evolutionary purpose for early humans.  Basic biology about the male sex drive pretty much shows were still not so far off from that.

But, you are not saying that promiscuity is restricted to males, right?

[Handsome Jack]

But, you are not saying that promiscuity is restricted to males, right?

 

It began with males. Female promiscuity began in response.

[ThreeF]

Ever since DA2 at least. Anders heals Isabela of "one of those diseases". 

oh! well I guess magic makes thins less complicated and permanent   

[DomeWing333]

We're not running from sabre toothed tigers at this point in history and sex is now a roll of the dice as far as death thanks to HIV and hyper-hep C--not to bring doom and gloom in.

 

I'm not anti-sex but I'm also not going to throw my hands in the air and act like promiscuity is a healthy thing for people.

 

Well, that goes for unprotected sex. Nowadays, with condoms, the only major downside to promiscuity is the social stigma that goes with it. 

 

Also, we're not running from sabre tooth tigers. But Bull and Sera are running towards dragons, darkspawn, and--wait for it--BEARS on a regular basis. What they do in the bedroom (and sometimes the war room when Cullen's not there) is, relatively speaking, probably the safest thing they'll be doing all day.

[ThreeF]

It began with males. Female promiscuity began in response.

Not even the people who study sexual behavior can tell for sure, so lets not go there.

[Raiil]

As Zobert pointed out liking sex doesn't make one sex-hungry. It's the fact he CONSTANTLY talks about it, CONSTANTLY talks about wanting it, frequently makes sex jokes, and frequently acknowledges he's slept with countless people that makes him sex hungry. Sure, he claims to go monogamous for the Inquisitor, but even then that doesn't change the facts.

 

If you get on a train once a hundred other people have ridden it, it's not exactly an "exclusive" train, even if you're the only one on board. Catch my drift? Good.

 

I'm really tired of seeing the media, particularly game media, pushing polygamy and promiscuity and the "norm" whereas monogamy, loyalty, and moderation are viewed as "outdated" or "undesirable", or at best "temporary". It doesn't make for good writing anyway if your character's only real calling card is that they really love sex. Might get a few laughs on a comedy show, but not in a serious fantasy RPG from a writing team that would've been ashamed of this same script 6 or 7 years ago.

 

Sure, plenty of the characters profess their undying singular love to the Inquisitor in the right circumstances, but some, especially ones like Isabella, Zevran, Sera, or Bull, have been having romps and flings countless times more and will continue to have them in the future. At least with Isabella and Zevran they seemed reluctant, as if they felt they weren't getting enough emotional fulfillment. Sera and Bull are just "lol its ok be urself" without any form of conscience or the inevitable repercussions of having dozens of romance partners. It's unrealistic as could possibly be.

 

 

I'd like to see where in the game that BioWare is 'pushing' the idea of polygamy and promisicuity. The option to go around boning any warm available hole is not the same as condoning it. BioWare also allows you to kill people for occasionally stupid reasons, this doesn't mean they condone murder, either.

 

Yes, Bull's a very sexual character. It builds a lot on his culture (where sex is mostly divorced from love and viewed as a physical thing) and it adds to the persona of a man who enjoys pleasure and lives large in all circumstances (sex, drinking, flirting, killing) which pits him against the values system he also cares for.

 

I'm also curious as to what these repercussions are, speaking as someone who hasn't had dozens of lovers.

[o Ventus]

Those characters tend to be some of the most popular, remembered, and discussed characters. Whether you accept it or not, they promote an agenda, just like when your companions universally support the transsexual character. It doesn't FEEL like natural writing, it feels forced in to appeal to, cater to, or make a social group's statement. That's how I see it, and I'm definitely not the only one.

 

Supporting something is not pushing an agenda. I support gay rights and their right to be married, but I'm not going out of my way to change the laws to forward the cause.

 

 

Promiscuity isn't killing people, but I personally detest that it's being pushed, whether you agree or not, on society and media in general. Sex is fun, sex is great, but sex should be something special. It shouldn't be something people openly advocate for or promiscuously flaunt around. It's saddening to me that some find that sort of lifestyle much more desirable; even some men prefer it, such as spineless mooks like Anthony Burch, whom I've brought up before as having ruined Borderlands' writing by injecting his own twisted and lamebrained "social stances" into a game that never needed them. I use that example because it's happening here, most notably in Inquisition, and it seems Bull and Sera are Bioware's biggest propagators of it.

 

It's really, REALLY not. Sex shouldn't be something people advocate for? Are you from the Bible Belt? The only promiscuous character in Borderlands is Mad Moxxi, who wasn't created by Anthony Burch.

 

What exactly are Bull and Sera propagating? Literally the only thing "interesting" (for lack of a better term) about Sera in regards to sexuality is that she is a lesbian. Are you making some kind of not-homophobic (but totally) homophobic gay agenda remark?

 

Think about it; EA openly supports the SJW movement. Bioware's team advocates for SJW ideas, and some even support "people" like Zoe Quinn or Anita Sarkeesian. Then, instead of keeping their beliefs to themselves like most respectful people do, they shove it into their game to appeal to a large audience, trying to shoehorn in catering and pandering to ensure every facet of the audience is reached and milked for profit. This is what leads to dumbed-down writing. It's why in Origins even side characters could have several paragraphs of intricate dialogue in a single conversation, and why now in Inquisition some main characters will barely spout off a few lines before their dialogue's entirely exhausted. It's all about dumbing down and streamlining the game to appeal to a wide audience, and right now the hot audience of profit is the SJW/Progressive Left/Tumblrist side, and it's one you can bet your ass every big corporation is trying to squeeze every penny out of.

 

I know SJWs and their stupid nonsense when I see it. I loathe and detest Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn and all of their peers for the bile they spew. Sera, Bull, Krem, whoever, is not forwarding some SJW agenda. Your tinfoil hat must be on a bit tight.

 

Advocating for "demisexual romance" or being happy Bull is so promiscuous and loose and sex-hungry only makes you what Cultural Marxists (the "fancy" term for SJWs) call "useful idiots". You propagate the same ideas they spew down your throats, regurgitating them as fact and trying to have them included for inclusion in everything possible. This only provided the higher-ups more leverage, and sure, they'll act as if they support you, but in the end you're a tool for a made-up cause based on non-existent oppression and a system developed around faux-victimization. I'm not saying you're necessarily doing it, but those who do should realize that they AREN'T on the side of social equality. They AREN'T being supported, and neither EA nor Bioware give a flying **** about your beliefs or your actual ideologies. They want your money, and any conman will be as polite and caring as possible to you so long as you fork over an extra $50 for DLC skins and inclusive transhomononcisnonbinarypansexfurrydemisexasexualbiracipanracibisexual romances that they can shoehorn in where they don't belong and/or don't fit in.

 

It's funny you think promiscuity is something an SJW would actually push.

 

It's a video game. It's nothing serious.

 

Really? Because you seem to be taking it seriously.

[Zobert]

But, you are not saying that promiscuity is restricted to males, right?

 

No, humans are promiscuous.  Males and females have different biology which promotes different attitudes towards sex.  MY bf is an evolutionary biology major and in med school so I have had to hear countless sex studies, especially prior to us being monogamous to explain why we shouldn't be monogamous.  So I've read Schmitt's studies, Schmitt's and Buss's studies, et al

 

Ultimately though we're not victims of evolution but free willed people.

 

Males and females both have the ability to look at what creates a happy, disease free stable life that is devoid of jealousy and hurt. And if promiscuity works for you--it does for some, go be funky.  If it doesn't, don't do it.

 

I can't be non-monogamous with this one.  I can't.  He smells too good so he had to make a choice against his evolutionary urge, but it is still there.  None of us stop being "apes" just because we wear clothing.

[o Ventus]

Uhhh yes?  Yes, a lot of people are.  Have you looked at a magazine, album cover, or watched any given SATC epi?  How about Girls?  How about__________?

 

Yes, people are.  I am.  The second I see my bf I'm going to whip that **** out and lay it on him.

I look at a lot of magazines. Most of them are different variants of "OMG CELEBRITY MARRIAGE" or "THESE 5 NEW WEIGHT LOSS TIPS WILL MAKE DOCTORS HATE YOU". I can't think of any album covers, not even by sh*tty pop "musicians", that are sexual for the sake of being sexual. I don't even know what the bolded part actually means.

[Zobert]

I'd like to see where in the game that BioWare is 'pushing' the idea of polygamy and promisicuity. The option to go around boning any warm available hole is not the same as condoning it. BioWare also allows you to kill people for occasionally stupid reasons, this doesn't mean they condone murder, either.

 

I had this discussion with someone once about the morality of killing people in games considering how immersed you become to the point where your reality chip is somewhat...altered.

 

Sorry, sidetrack.

[Zobert]

I look at a lot of magazines. Most of them are different variants of "OMG CELEBRITY MARRIAGE" or "THESE 5 NEW WEIGHT LOSS TIPS WILL MAKE DOCTORS HATE YOU". I can't think of any album covers, not even by sh*tty pop "musicians", that are sexual for the sake of being sexual. I don't even know what the bolded part actually means.

 

Then you live under a rock.  Sorry, I'm not playing this bullshit where we pretend that they aren't selling THOT culture etc., or having women with whipped cream shoot out of fake boobs, or "Yonce" pole riding in videos while barely wearing clothing.  We sell sex constantly.

 

Sex And the City--All about Sex.

 

Girls--Overly concerned with sex.

 

Even old school--Seinfeld dealt with things like where to buy the Sponge, how long we can go without masturbation, etc.

 

Most humans, yes, think about, like, love sex.

 

I see Thor and I don't think about his cape.  I'm thinking about his pecs and biceps.  I see Shirley Manson from Garbage and I'm not thinking about where she gets her hair colored.  I see Game of Thrones and drool over everyone from Jon Snow to Jaime Lannister.  Why?  Because humans like sex.

 

Some like it more than others.

[ThreeF]

No, humans are promiscuous. 

Yeah, just checking, because that sentence was a bit vague, that's why I suggested to rephrase. 

[Handsome Jack]

Supporting something is not pushing an agenda. I support gay rights and their right to be married, but I'm not going out of my way to change the laws to forward the cause.

 

It's really, REALLY not. Sex shouldn't be something people advocate for? Are you from the Bible Belt? The only promiscuous character in Borderlands is Mad Moxxi, who wasn't created by Anthony Burch.

 

What exactly are Bull and Sera propagating? Literally the only thing "interesting" (for lack of a better term) about Sera in regards to sexuality is that she is a lesbian. Are you making some kind of not-homophobic (but totally) homophobic gay agenda remark?

 

I know SJWs and their stupid nonsense when I see it. I loathe and detest Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn and all of their peers for the bile they spew. Sera, Bull, Krem, whoever, is not forwarding some SJW agenda. Your tinfoil hat must be on a bit tight.

 

It's funny you think promiscuity is something an SJW would actually push.

 

Really? Because you seem to be taking it seriously.

 

You've also got characters like Tina or Hammerlock flaunting their sexualities every three and a half seconds, but that's another critique for another day.

 

Bible Belt? Far from it, locationally and ideologically. My views on this doesn't stem from any religion, but instead a general sense of morality and decency. Sex is fantastic. Promiscuity is not. That's my viewpoint, and it isn't from any religion.

 

I don't know about you, but when some of Bioware's staff come out in blatant support of vile individuals like Sarkeesian, you might be a tad suspicious those sorts of views will start worming their way into the game's subtext.

 

And... seriously? SJWs don't promote promiscuity? The entire "Slut Pride" movement was started by women walking nude in the streets flamboyantly declaring their love for free and open sex, which was started by and propagated by SJWs. SJWs support all forms of promiscuity, except for white heterosexuals doing it. Then it's just patriarchal, bigoted, racist, phobic, and oppressive.

I do take it seriously, and I see no reason why I shouldn't. When SJW-ism was in the bud, people looked on and said "Eh, no big deal, just some Tumblr craze". Now it's hard not to find this Cultural Marxist/SJW poison in EVERYTHING in western media. It's a serious problem that needs to be taken seriously.

[ThreeF]

Sex is fantastic, Promiscuity is not. That's my viewpoint.

I'm kinda curious now, do elaborate.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Let's remain civil everyone. The Site Rules are against personal attacks on others. 

 

• Personal attacks: Do not insult, degrade or criticize any person or group of people. Personal attacks are hurtful and destroy useful discussion.

[o Ventus]

You've also got characters like Tina or Hammerlock flaunting their sexualities every three and a half seconds, but that's another critique for another day.

 

Tina is both insane, and 13 years old. She rambles on and doesn't know what she's talking about. That's the entire point. Hammerlock mentions his sexuality all of once, maybe twice. You wouldn't even know he was gay unless you played that 1 side quest where he mentions his old boyfriend.

 

 

 

 

Bible Belt? Far from it, locationally and ideologically. My views on this doesn't stem from any religion, but instead a general sense of morality and decency. Sex is fantastic. Promiscuity is not. That's my viewpoint, and it isn't from any religion.

 

That sounds exactly like something you'd hear out of the Bible Belt.

 

 

 

I don't know about you, but when some of Bioware's staff come out in blatant support of vile individuals like Sarkeesian, you might be a tad suspicious those sorts of views will start worming their way into the game's subtext.

 

A single employee (or even several) =/= the whole company.

 

 

 

And... seriously? SJWs don't promote promiscuity? The entire "**** Pride" movement was started by women walking nude in the streets flamboyantly declaring their love for free and open sex, which was started by and propagated by SJWs. SJWs support all forms of promiscuity, except for white heterosexuals doing it. Then it's just patriarchal, bigoted, racist, phobic, and oppressive.

I do take it seriously, and I see no reason why I shouldn't. When SJW-ism was in the bud, people looked on and said "Eh, no big deal, just some Tumblr craze". Now it's hard not to find this Cultural Marxist/SJW poison in EVERYTHING in western media. It's a serious problem that needs to be taken seriously.

 

No, they really don't. Those "**** pride" people aren't SJWs, just idiots.

[Raiil]

I had this discussion with someone once about the morality of killing people in games considering how immersed you become to the point where your reality chip is somewhat...altered.

 

Sorry, sidetrack.

 

 

You should PM me with details. I live for these sorts of talks.

 

 

 

You've also got characters like Tina or Hammerlock flaunting their sexualities every three and a half seconds, but that's another critique for another day.

 

Bible Belt? Far from it, locationally and ideologically. My views on this doesn't stem from any religion, but instead a general sense of morality and decency. Sex is fantastic. Promiscuity is not. That's my viewpoint, and it isn't from any religion.

 

I don't know about you, but when some of Bioware's staff come out in blatant support of vile individuals like Sarkeesian, you might be a tad suspicious those sorts of views will start worming their way into the game's subtext.

 

And... seriously? SJWs don't promote promiscuity? The entire "**** Pride" movement was started by women walking nude in the streets flamboyantly declaring their love for free and open sex, which was started by and propagated by SJWs. SJWs support all forms of promiscuity, except for white heterosexuals doing it. Then it's just patriarchal, bigoted, racist, phobic, and oppressive.

I do take it seriously, and I see no reason why I shouldn't. When SJW-ism was in the bud, people looked on and said "Eh, no big deal, just some Tumblr craze". Now it's hard not to find this Cultural Marxist/SJW poison in EVERYTHING in western media. It's a serious problem that needs to be taken seriously.

 

I'm still struggling to understand where promiscuity and morality are inherently against one another. I can understand morality and cheating, but the two don't mean the same thing.

 

Speaking as someone who probably comes off as being very SJWery, and is very sex positive in general, the idea is to be happy in the skin  you're in. I'm not promiscuous. I don't share partners, I live and die by monogamy, and I go very long periods of time between partners when I'm not with someone. Not one SJW person has told me to start opening my legs for every willing person that comes by, only that I don't get my panties in a wad if someone else does. And I don't. I expect all ethical humans to live by the safe, sane and consensual rule. Sex isn't a pox on society, it's a natural urge that different people have differing drives for. So long as the partners are of age and play by the same rules, I fail to see the inherent immorality.

[WildOrchid]

No, they really don't. Those "**** pride" people aren't SJWs, just idiots.

 

He still goes on about "sjw" I see. 

Ghosts everywhere.

[AresKeith]

He still goes on about "sjw" I see. 

Ghosts everywhere.

 

And he wonders why people called him a troll 

[Raiil]

And he wonders why people called him a troll 

 

I don't know about troll. Kind of... prone to sweeping random groups together, certainly.

[WildOrchid]

Speaking as someone who probably comes off as being very SJWery, and is very sex positive in general, the idea is to be happy in the skin  you're in. I'm not promiscuous. I don't share partners, I live and die by monogamy, and I go very long periods of time between partners when I'm not with someone. Not one SJW person has told me to start opening my legs for every willing person that comes by, only that I don't get my panties in a wad if someone else does. And I don't. I expect all ethical humans to live by the safe, sane and consensual rule. Sex isn't a pox on society, it's a natural urge that different people have differing drives for. So long as the partners are of age and play by the same rules, I fail to see the inherent immorality.

 

It's the stupid logic: "One "so-called with a title" idiot does something bad, then the rest of them are 100% bad as well". It's the same logic that applies to rapists and or feminists. "Most men are rapists, so all men actually are" - "One "radfem" does something stupid, all feminists are like this."

 

 

Booooooring.

[Zobert]

I'm kinda curious now, do elaborate.

 

Promiscuity in the day of AIDS, hep C, and herpes is pretty much playing Russian Roulette with your life and health.  I work in international public health for JHU.  I've had programs in Ghana, Sierra Leone, and Malawi for AIDS awareness.  Condoms break.  That's why we are not allowed to say "Safe Sex" only "Safer Sex" when discussing condoms.

 

In fact, we actually teach abstinence hand in hand with condoms, something we'd **** bricks about in the US, because the death rate in Africa is nowhere near where it should be for AIDS, it's getting there, but still not where it should be.

 

I realize that we like to live in a judgment free zone and I personally believe people should be able to risk their life IF they choose, but we do not live in a zone where we should be dishonest about the dangers of certain behavior.

 

Promiscuity is not healthy behavior.

 

Yes, I'm the party pooper.  I can also give talks on female genital "cutting", too.