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[Handsome Jack]

Then how about you and the others take these discussions to PMs and let this thread stay on topic? Please. 

 

We could do this.

 

Certainly, but you continue to conflate promiscuity with immorality without explanation. And it's not quite the same when they're not judging you on their standards.

 

I've seen promiscuity in quite a few people, acquaintances and friends alike, and they get no respect from me. I do indeed associate promiscuity and sluttiness with immorality and indecency. But that's my opinion and my attitude on it.

 

We really, really are off-topic...

 

The odd thing is that I've been having sex with people for about 10 years now and never go with the cheap condoms, only in the last 6 months have I ever had the condoms break--and not to be well, let's say I've used a lot of them.  My job makes me hyper paranoid.

 

3 in 6 months.

 

TMI?

 

Also, how many people do you know outside the gay community who get tested regularly for anything?  They get HIV tested pretty regular but most people still think if you're not a gay male you're not going to get a disease and that's total bullshit.

 

Also condoms don't prevent herpes.  It only reduces the exposed area but since you can have the virus on your upper thighs and entire pelvic region you're still taking chances.

 

I'm sorry to everyone for inserting the reality of my job into a discussion but I cannot divorce myself from what i do for a living.

 

Uh.

 

Are you a prostitute? I really can't think of another profession needing one to use lots of condoms.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

We could do this.

Thank you. I would really appreciate it if you did. 

[eyezonlyii]

This topic hasn't had anything to do with demisexuality for about 15 pages.

 

Yea, which is why, everyone on the side comments , unless hey want the thread locked, should start a group pm and take this elsewhere. I'm not going to say that I do or don't have an opinion on these matters, but HH has the only thread here about this subject, and as can be seen, more and more people are seeing it and commenting on how they have learned something new.

[Raiil]

Could someone give me a definitive list of what qualities and philosophies that a SJW must have to be recognized as one. I'm only asking because it seems to me that SJW are sorta of like hipsters in that everyone has their own idea of them that's different from everyone else's. 

 

I think this pointless argument would be a bit better if everyone was using the same terms, with the same objective definitions of what their talking about. 

 

 

SJW is like being a feminist- it means whatever the person using it wants to be.

 

I don't consider myself to be a SJW per Tumblr's standards because I strongly, strongly disagree with their conflation of personal and institutionalised racism, and I hazard the more strident ones agree, but someone like Helve might disagree because I tend to be fairly relaxed about the concept of sexual ethics, really only following the SSC rule. Conversely, I consider myself a feminist because, well, it's good for me, but I've had others tell me that I'm not because I'm both sex-positive and male-positive.

[DomeWing333]

Condoms break.  Ask Planned Parenthood, it's always one of their leading reasons why abortion needs to be safe and legal.

 

Well condoms break mostly because people suck at using them. Avoiding that requires education and responsibility, which unfortunately rarely comes with youth.

 

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with a healthy, responsible adult man or woman engaging in promiscuous behavior so long as they use protection. I do think there's something wrong in young people being promiscuous before they've really had a handle on all the dangers and consequences. 

[Zobert]

That was my point.

 

You can be a responsible person and have the condom break.  You can be a responsible person and get herpes.  Should I link to health papers from Johns Hopkins?

 

When is the last time honestly that you had an HIV test or your partner?  When is the last time you were tested for other venereal diseases?

 

How do you test someone you just met in a club for Herpes?

 

I'm sorry but all of us are in danger of getting an STD even those of us who are not promiscuous, but those that are exponentially increase the risk for themselves.

 

As a voluntarist I think you have EVERY right to put your life at risk for anything--I mean no seatbelts, no helmets, no condoms, etc but I won't pretend that it is safe because I have morals and part of mine is teaching people about the risks of disease transmission through sex, food preparation, body transmogrification, etc.

[Zobert]

But you can't be 100% sure if your sexual partner does the same especially if it's a new partner, unless you ask a meticulous clean bill of health every time you have sex with them and even that won't tell you everything because some things have their circle, promiscuity just increase the risk statistically, but the risk is always there, unless well...hand.

 

Can we not pretend that there is not a huge difference between one partner that you have dialogue with and can be reasonably sure due to the length of time that you know them  and meeting randoms in a club?

 

Seriously this is just ridiculous now.

 

There is a huge difference and data on it does not lie.  Your risks of disease rises with the introduction of each and every sexual partner.

[Raiil]

The odd thing is that I've been having sex with people for about 10 years now and never go with the cheap condoms, only in the last 6 months have I ever had the condoms break--and not to be well, let's say I've used a lot of them.  My job makes me hyper paranoid.

 

3 in 6 months.

 

TMI?

 

Also, how many people do you know outside the gay community who get tested regularly for anything?  They get HIV tested pretty regular but most people still think if you're not a gay male you're not going to get a disease and that's total bullshit.

 

Also condoms don't prevent herpes.  It only reduces the exposed area but since you can have the virus on your upper thighs and entire pelvic region you're still taking chances.

 

I'm sorry to everyone for inserting the reality of my job into a discussion but I cannot divorce myself from what i do for a living.

 

 

Hey man, I'm not judging you, you bring a good perspective. 

 

As for testing- actually, most of the people in my life who aren't in long-term monogamous relationships get tested fairly regularly. I don't know what difference it makes, but I live outside of Baltimore and while there is a lot of unhealthy/uneducated sex going on around those parts, there are a lot of responsible men and women in their twenties who regularly get tested, go on BC, etc too. This goes across the racial spectrum, between their twenties and forties, and across sexualities.

 

All hope is not lost! Some of us do try to be responsible.

[Handsome Jack]

Hey man, I'm not judging you, you bring a good perspective. 

 

As for testing- actually, most of the people in my life who aren't in long-term monogamous relationships get tested fairly regularly. I don't know what difference it makes, but I live outside of Baltimore and while there is a lot of unhealthy/uneducated sex going on around those parts, there are a lot of responsible men and women in their twenties who regularly get tested, go on BC, etc too. This goes across the racial spectrum, between their twenties and forties, and across sexualities.

 

All hope is not lost! Some of us do try to be responsible.

 

Not everyone is responsible. This is why the irresponsible should not be allowed to do irresponsible things.

[Zobert]

Well condoms break mostly because people suck at using them. Avoiding that requires education and responsibility, which unfortunately rarely comes with youth.

 

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with a healthy, responsible adult man or woman engaging in promiscuous behavior so long as they use protection. I do think there's something wrong in young people being promiscuous before they've really had a handle on all the dangers and consequences. 

 

I teach people how to use them.  Never had them break until recently.  There could have been a bad batch leave from Trojan.

 

Also, not to be a downer you cannot protect yourself from herpes using condoms.

 

Okay, I'm going to stop.  I do this for a living and I don't mean to do what i do for a job on a forum about fighting dragons. 

 

I apologize to the OP.

[Raiil]

 

 

I've seen promiscuity in quite a few people, acquaintances and friends alike, and they get no respect from me. I do indeed associate promiscuity and sluttiness with immorality and indecency. But that's my opinion and my attitude on it.

 

 

And as I said, you are welcome to your opinion but what I'm looking for is an explanation as to how you arrived there. If biology drives us towards a variety of partners (no matter how big or small that variety is), how is it immoral?

 

 

Not everyone is responsible. This is why the irresponsible should not be allowed to do irresponsible things.

 

 

And some people are responsible, and still things backfire. How are you to supposed to quantify that in exactment?

[eyezonlyii]

So, Hanako, would you please (I know I'e asked and this has been posted before, but just for all the new faces in the thread) post a sample scenario for a demisexual character? Let's say the character in question is a female city elf and the PC is an Orlesian Chevalier (I know who you feel about them, but let's push ourselves here).

[Zobert]

Not everyone is responsible. This is why the irresponsible should not be allowed to do irresponsible things.

 

Okay I said I would stop but...the irresponsible should be allowed.  I don't believe in removing people's personal choice even if it is a bad choice.  I hope to convince but I'm not for using force against peaceful people.

 

Okay, really really done for real this time.

[sandalisthemaker]

This poor thread....

[ThreeF]

Can we not pretend that there is not a huge difference between one partner that you have dialogue with and can be reasonably sure due to the length of time that you know them  and meeting randoms in a club?

 

Seriously this is just ridiculous now.

 

There is a huge difference and data on it does not lie.  Your risks of disease rises with the introduction of each and every sexual partner.

I kind of can't pretend actually. I know this girl, she is serially monogamous, always in relationship for long time, very posh and proper, real sweetheart, except when she gets an STD she never tells about it. And there are tons of people who simply have no idea what they got and if they  got it. If you are to be paranoid you can't be  reasonably sure about anyone.

[Zobert]

We could do this.

 

 

 

I've seen promiscuity in quite a few people, acquaintances and friends alike, and they get no respect from me. I do indeed associate promiscuity and sluttiness with immorality and indecency. But that's my opinion and my attitude on it.

 

We really, really are off-topic...

 

 

 

Uh.

 

Are you a prostitute? I really can't think of another profession needing one to use lots of condoms.

 

 

I work in global disease abatement and women's health on a WHO contract under the auspice of Johns Hopkins.  I put condoms on bananas, I talk to people about why they shouldn't cut off their daughter's clitoris and other lovely things like that.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So, Hanako, would you please (I know I'e asked and this has been posted before, but just for all the new faces in the thread) post a sample scenario for a demisexual character? Let's say the character in question is a female city elf and the PC is an Orlesian Chevalier (I know who you feel about them, but let's push ourselves here).

Not making it easy by having it involve a Chevalier, are you?

 

By sample scenario, do you mean a scene or dialogue? 

[eyezonlyii]

Not making it easy by having it involve a Chevalier, are you?

 

By sample scenario, do you mean a scene or dialogue? 

Either. Maybe even a rough outline of how the arc would flow.

[Zobert]

I kind of can't pretend actually. I know this girl, she is serially monogamous, always in relationship for long time, very posh and proper, real sweetheart, except when she gets an STD she never tells about it. And there are tons of people who simply have no idea what they got and if they  got it. If you are to be paranoid you can't be  reasonably sure about anyone.

 

There are trends in public health.  You will always have someone the first time at the rodeo come down with HIV, but that's why you reduce your risk by reducing your sexual partners.

 

If you can't be sure of ONE person, how could you possibly be sure of 10-20-30?

 

One person you can go with to the doctor and get tested together (we did), can you do that for 60 people?  Yes, but it's rare.

 

http://www.cdc.gov/s...ts07/trends.htm

 

You don't have to thump a Bible to speak the truth about health risks.  It's practically irresponsible and immoral to not do so.

[Handsome Jack]

I work in global disease abatement and women's health on a WHO contract under the auspice of Johns Hopkins.  I put condoms on bananas, I talk to people about why they shouldn't cut off their daughter's clitoris and other lovely things like that.

 

Good to have an educated bear's voice on the subject.

 

Though I'm sure most of these SJWs will say "John Hopkins is patriarchal maleocratic bigoted oppression-science and isn't true!!!" though.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Either. Maybe even a rough outline of how the arc would flow.

Alright. Give me a little while to think of one. I'll post it when I'm done. Sound good? 

[ThreeF]

So, Hanako, would you please (I know I'e asked and this has been posted before, but just for all the new faces in the thread) post a sample scenario for a demisexual character? Let's say the character in question is a female city elf and the PC is an Orlesian Chevalier (I know who you feel about them, but let's push ourselves here).

I'm kind of curious about this too, because I'm not sure how it can be done in the game any more than it has been already done.

 

I think Josephine comes very close to demisexual (I also think Merril kind of fit but things are foggy about her, Fenris also is slow at opening up) so what more can there be?

[HuldraDancer]

Question for the OP since they said that it could be covered by a wide vary of personalities for a demisexual character did you have any kind of character type in mind when you made the thread? Like anything extra you would like to this requested potential character or would anything with you be fine so long as they were demi?