Promiscuity is risky behavior, therefore not healthy and shouldn't be treated like it's no different a life decision than choosing shoes.
Well, to be honest I've always humored the idea of if we ever have a Fex follower that he/she would be demi. It can ever be a part of their race, like how Dwarves can't use magic. There would be something that makes them not able to experience sexuality like the other races and only get those feelings after forming the strong bond, like maybe it has to do with them being really attuned to the soul(since those exist in DA) and the attraction occurs after their soul and the other person's resonates. In this follower's case, the person whose soul they resonate with would be the protagonist. For those interested in seeing demisexuality shown, they will see that represented, and for those who don't or could care less either way they get an interesting and unique follower from an interesting and unique race. There are other ideas too, and really a character from almost any backstory would be fine.
Personality-wise I would prefer they be in the Good or higher part of Neutral on the D&D Spectrum, but that's just because I prefer those alignments. Other than that they could be really anything from rather meek to rather eccentric, from having a shell built around them to being very open, etc.
I also had a few ideas that would shed light of it being more than just "meeting the right one" and show it is demisexuality. For example maybe in party banter with the promiscuous companion the promiscuous one tries to explain to the demisexual one the joys of that lifestyle but the demisexual one doesn't get it. This could lead to both trying to understand the other's viewpoint by asking questions to each other. Also, and I know it may seem sad but it is something demisexuals face, but I would like the demisexual follower to be kind of sad when the protagonist enters a relationship with another LI even if the romance with the demisexual was never started, showing that that bond forms regardless but the demisexual was friendzoned since the protagonist didn't recognize for the demisexual follower it became more than just friendship. I'm not saying like crying or anything, but just something small like wishing the protagonist and the other LI happiness while having their tone have a bit of sorrow under it.
That actually sounds very interesting, strange but interesting I could see the appeal in that but then again I'm weird and get way to much into video game cultures sometimes. But the idea of the whole culture being like that sounds like a very interesting one to go about it.
Yikes that sounds kind of like something I actually really dislike about some of my other games where a potential LI falls for you no matter what makes me feel like a bad person when I don't pick them especially if they don't have anyone else to be with if the protagonist doesn't get with them and I know you don't really like that idea much at all where LIs get with other people if not romanced. But that at least for me unless the character was jerky about it like say Anders was when non romanced I would feel terrible really^^;
Feel kind of bad that my disagreement part is bigger than the agreement part hehehe sorry^^;
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That actually sounds very interesting, strange but interesting I could see the appeal in that but then again I'm weird and get way to much into video game cultures sometimes. But the idea of the whole culture being like that sounds like a very interesting one to go about it.
Yikes that sounds kind of like something I actually really dislike about some of my other games where a potential LI falls for you no matter what makes me feel like a bad person when I don't pick them especially if they don't have anyone else to be with if the protagonist doesn't get with them and I know you don't really like that idea much at all where LIs get with other people if not romanced. But that at least for me unless the character was jerky about it like say Anders was when non romanced I would feel terrible really^^;
Feel kind of bad that my disagreement part is bigger than the agreement part hehehe sorry^^;
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Well, to be honest I've always humored the idea of if we ever have a Fex follower that he/she would be demi. It can ever be a part of their race, like how Dwarves can't use magic. There would be something that makes them not able to experience sexuality like the other races and only get those feelings after forming the strong bond, like maybe it has to do with them being really attuned to the soul(since those exist in DA) and the attraction occurs after their soul and the other person's resonates. In this follower's case, the person whose soul they resonate with would be the protagonist. For those interested in seeing demisexuality shown, they will see that represented, and for those who don't or could care less either way they get an interesting and unique follower from an interesting and unique race. There are other ideas too, and really a character from almost any backstory would be fine.
Personality-wise I would prefer they be in the Good or higher part of Neutral on the D&D Spectrum, but that's just because I prefer those alignments. Other than that they could be really anything from rather meek to rather eccentric, from having a shell built around them to being very open, etc.
I also had a few ideas that would shed light of it being more than just "meeting the right one" and show it is demisexuality. For example maybe in party banter with the promiscuous companion the promiscuous one tries to explain to the demisexual one the joys of that lifestyle but the demisexual one doesn't get it. This could lead to both trying to understand the other's viewpoint by asking questions to each other. Also, and I know it may seem sad but it is something demisexuals face, but I would like the demisexual follower to be kind of sad when the protagonist enters a relationship with another LI even if the romance with the demisexual was never started, showing that that bond forms regardless but the demisexual was friendzoned since the protagonist didn't recognize for the demisexual follower it became more than just friendship. I'm not saying like crying or anything, but just something small like wishing the protagonist and the other LI happiness while having their tone have a bit of sorrow under it.
32,000 deaths in 2014
Compare to:
* 65 million of people living in the US with STD
* 15 million of new STD cases each year
* 2/3 of all STD's accrues in people 25 yrs of age or younger
* 1 in 4 new STD's accrues in teenagers
* cervical cancer in women is linked to HPV
* doctors are required to report newly diagnosed cases of gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia and hepatitis B to state health departments and the CDC
* 1 in 4 Americans have genital herpes, 80% of those with herpes are unaware they have it
* at least 1 in 4 Americans will contract an STD at some point in their lives
* 15% of all infertile American women are infertile because of tubal damage caused by untreated STD
* 12% of all infertile American men are infertile because of inflammation of the testicles and sterility caused by untreated STD
As early as 1996, WHO estimated that more than 1 million people were being infected daily. About 60% of these infections occur in young people <25 years of age, and of these 30% are <20 years. Between the ages of 14 and 19, STDs occur more frequently in girls than boys by a ratio of nearly 2:1; this equalizes by age 20.
Yeah...all those scary statistics still don't support your claim that "More people die from STDs and STD-related illnesses than car accidents." You'd have to find a statistic of people in the US dying from STDs that's greater than 32,000.
We're not just talking about killing people with the driving scenario (not car accidents but driving which is what you said). Because cars are dangerous you must be licensed to drive and can be penalized for car-related activities that have not YET resulted in an accident.
Do you want people fined for the sexual equivalent of speeding?
No, but the reason I don't want people to be fined for the sexual equivalent of speeding is because I don't want the government installing whatever the sexual equivalent of speed-cams are in the sexual equivalent of an intersection. It's a matter of what can and cannot be regulated by the state. But that's not what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about the moral judgement of people for how they drive vs the moral judgement of people for how they have sex.
If someone tells me that they just went 80 mph on a 50 mph road, it would be perfectly reasonable for me to say "Hey! That's dangerous as hell! You should cut that out or someone could get hurt!" Similarly, if someone tells me that they just had unprotected sex with a stranger, it would also be perfectly reasonable for me to say "Hey! That's dangerous as hell! You should cut that out or someone could get hurt!"
But it would be weird to give those types of warnings to someone who takes a lot of road trips but always goes at the speed limit or has a lot of sex but always uses protection. Because while they are increasing the activity's inherent risk for harm by repeatedly engaging in it, they are still taking the steps to minimize the risk as best they can. That's my argument.
Though it may be technically true, no traffic school ever says to people "Hey, you shouldn't drive a lot because driving is dangerous the more you do it." So why should any sex ed class ever say to people "Hey you shouldn't have a lot of sex because having sex is dangerous the more you do it"?
I don't have a substantive problem with your position, but I've always hated the term "promiscuity." It's one of those weaselly concepts that doesn't seem to mean anything more than "having more sex than the speaker thinks is prudent/godly/appropriate/etc."
I don't have a substantive problem with people jumping into rivers and swimming, either. It's their life and swimming in a river on a hot summer day is one of those sublime pleasures in life.
I wouldn't outlaw it. I wouldn't fine people for doing it. I am more make people aware of the risks, be 100% honest then let them be a free thinking individual and live their life as they choose.
I tell people the risks with sex. I tell people the risks with multiple sex partners. I go through the song and dance and then ultimately let it go because it is their life to live, not mine.
My problem, if I have a problem, is that modern society is so hung up on what they think is "judging lifestyle" and "judging behavior" as being "bad" when it comes to sex that they tacitly endorse behavior that is rather statistically dangerous and unhealthy.
Yes, we all want to be nice and accepting, but at the same time nice should not be the enemy of truth nor should nice be the enemy of safety.
When I met my boyfriend he flat out told me he was not monogamous, was an evolutionary biologist and felt that sex was a part of good health (provided that you are cautious), and so on and so forth. He told me that we could both date who we wanted other than each other and it wouldn't matter to him, I'd still be his intellectual "first". I cannot believe I even rolled with that, but I did because we promised to tell the other if we slept with someone else and we got tested regularly.
We were both hyper careful, took all precaution and it became very "clinical" and almost killed the joy of that type of sexual relationship. When you constantly have to wait to have sex until you see a test result, when you have to wear condoms and use cleaning products, when you have to do the type of overt care that gives you the best possible outcome of not spreading disease to someone else when you're non-monogamous then after awhile careful promiscuity (the type he had) loses luster.
We've been monogamous for two years now and our sex life is spontaneous, and better than ever.
Yeah...all those scary statistics still don't support your claim that "More people die from STDs and STD-related illnesses than car accidents." You'd have to find a statistic of people in the US dying from STDs that's greater than 32,000.
We'll discount the 1.5 million people who die each year worldwide from AIDS, and the 90 million who die from STDs since you only want to talk about the US (like we don't travel abroad)...let us look at the statistics step by step since you seem to think that this isn't a major health issue in the US or something.
http://www.nypcancer...ranceschi.shtml
HPV is the cause of 70-80% of cervical cancer cases.
http://www.cdc.gov/c...cal/statistics/
4,092 women in the United States died from cervical cancer
We'll go low end...70% of 4,092 is approximately 2,863 high end would be 3,272
Hep B
http://www.webmd.com...asked-questions
Hepatitis B (HBV) is 50 to 100 times easier to transmit sexually than HIV ( the virus that causes AIDS). HBV has been found in vaginal secretions, saliva, and semen. Oral sex and especially anal sex, whether it occurs in a heterosexual or homosexual context, are possible ways of transmitting the virus. It is not transmitted by holding hands, hugging, or even dry kissing on the lips. The chance of transmission with deep kissing is unknown, as no infections have been definitively documented after exposure to infected saliva. Yet, since HBV has been found in saliva, the risk of transmission with deep kissing probably exists and the risk increases if one partner wears orthodontic braces or has open cuts or sores in the mouth. The likelihood of becoming infected with HBV grows with the number of sexual partners a person has. Thus, promiscuous individuals are more likely to get HBV.
www.cdc.gov/.../he...
Hepatitis B is a leading cause of liver transplants in the United States; about 2,000 to 4,000 people die each year from hepatitis
http://www.cdc.gov/h...itis/c/cfaq.htm
15,000 people each year die from Hep C
Can Hepatitis C be spread through sexual contact?
Yes, but the risk of transmission from sexual contact is believed to be low. The risk increases for those who have multiple sex partners, have a sexually transmitted disease, engage in rough sex, or are infected with HIV. More research is needed to better understand how and when Hepatitis C can be spread through sexual contact.
Sexually Transmitted Hep C: http://www.mayoclini...-c/faq-20058441
HIV/Aids: http://www.cdc.gov/h.../ataglance.html
13,712-14,000 die each year
So half-time report: 2,863 (HPV)+ (we'll go mid-range on Hep 
3,000+13,712 (AIDS) we're already above gun related homicides in the US at 19,575
Stillbirths related to STDs
http://www.guttmache...ubs/ib_std.html
1 in every 160 live births in the US is stillborn with the leading cause of infant death being maternal diabetes and STDs...look up the CDC pamphlet called: 10 Ways STDs Impact Women Differently Than Men
That's just death rates. There are people living with warts, sores, and these STDs who have miserable lives because of them, and share that misery. As I've said, let's look at the infection rates for these things. You may not die from Herpes but that's not a pleasant condition to live with for the rest of your life.
I'll repeat:
* 65 million of people living in the US with STD
* 15 million of new STD cases each year
* 2/3 of all STD's accrues in people 25 yrs of age or younger
* 1 in 4 new STD's accrues in teenagers
* cervical cancer in women is linked to HPV
* doctors are required to report newly diagnosed cases of gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia and hepatitis B to state health departments and the CDC
* 1 in 4 Americans have genital herpes, 80% of those with herpes are unaware they have it
* at least 1 in 4 Americans will contract an STD at some point in their lives
* 15% of all infertile American women are infertile because of tubal damage caused by untreated STD
* 12% of all infertile American men are infertile because of inflammation of the testicles and sterility caused by untreated STD
As early as 1996, WHO estimated that more than 1 million people were being infected daily. About 60% of these infections occur in young people <25 years of age, and of these 30% are <20 years. Between the ages of 14 and 19, STDs occur more frequently in girls than boys by a ratio of nearly 2:1; this equalizes by age 20.
Why are you so dismissive of this? Forget the rest of that mess you want to straw man off into, when 65 million people--that's between 1/5 and 1/6 of our country has a disease because they think sex is a healthy pastime instead of something to be cautious about I don't see how you can turn a blind eye to the fact that this is just not healthy behavior.
since you seem to think that this isn't a major health issue in the US or something.
You start by making this declaration and then go on to accuse me of straw-manning (without actually identifying what I was straw-manning)? Seriously? Are you just going to ignore the fact that my argument from the beginning hinged on equivocating the dangers of driving and sex?
So half-time report: 2,863 (HPV)+ (we'll go mid-range on Hep
Stillbirths related to STDs
http://www.guttmache...ubs/ib_std.html
1 in every 160 live births in the US is stillborn with the leading cause of infant death being maternal diabetes and STDs...look up the CDC pamphlet called: 10 Ways STDs Impact Women Differently Than Men
Still looking for that number that's more than 32,000...Any day now.
when 65 million people--that's between 1/5 and 1/6 of our country has a disease because they think sex is a healthy pastime instead of something to be cautious about I don't see how you can turn a blind eye to the fact that this is just not healthy behavior.
I can do this too! *Ahem* "When the average driver in the US--meaning 1/2 of our country--will have had between 3 to 4 accidents in their lifetime because they think driving is a healthy pastime instead of something to be cautious about I don't see how you can turn a blind eye to the fact that this is just not healthy behavior." Why aren't there people out there like you wagging their fingers at people who drive a lot and don't see it as a big deal?
WTF is happening in this thread right now.... 
There is a chance of contracting Hep C by having rough sex? I have never really thought about that. That sucks!
Anyway, question...... I thought sexually transmitted diseases are only called as such if they definitely cause symptoms. HPV, for example, can not be called an STD but an STI as a majority of the woman that become infected by HPV never suffer from any symptoms and the HPV clears up within two years. Nit picking, I guess.
Any who, are we talking a demisexual companion in here or the ability to play as a demisexual protagonist? Or both?
GUYZ!!!! Whatever you're now talking about has nothing to do with the topic at hand, and hasn't been so for awhile. Can you PLEASE take this somewhere else?
Alright, I'll stop. That last post made me lose interest in this debate anyhow.
Any who, are we talking a demisexual companion in here or the ability to play as a demisexual protagonist? Or both?
I think probably companion since it's pretty easy to roleplay a demisexual PC.
You start by making this declaration and then go on to accuse me of straw-manning (without actually identifying what I was straw-manning)? Seriously? Are you just going to ignore the fact that my argument from the beginning hinged on equivocating the dangers of driving and sex?
I said that more people die from STDs than accidents, you didn't like that so you have to make it about the US only. Why? Because you're are scrambling to pretend that promiscuity is no big deal.
Your argument about driving and sex is YOUR argument and makes zero contextual sense since driving is regulated because of the potential for death.
If we exclude stillbirths only 10,000 fewer people each year die from an STD and sex is unregulated...why?
Ten thousand more people die from sex than gun related homicides but guns are also regulated.
Why? The potential for danger. Not actual danger, but the potential.
Now, I am not a nanny and feel like we can regulate sex, or driving actually or guns because I think people's personal freedom should prevail. if someone purposefully causes the death of another then he/she should go to jail. Jailing people or removing their rights for potential crimes is immoral.
Still looking for that number that's more than 32,000...Any day now.
Because why? Because you have to hit 32,000?
Okay, I reviewed the stats again:
Gonorreah H041
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101041141#.
Gonorrhea strain makes CDC issue 'urgent threat' 23,000 die each year
"The strain is tricky," said Smith. "And it's asymptomatic, meaning people might not know they have it because they are not showing symptoms for it. And we don't have the diagnostics to know what type of mutations are happening."
To help develop more antibiotics for resistant strains of all bacteria, Congress passed the Gain Act in 2012. The law provides an additional five years of market exclusivity to pharmaceutical companies for new drugs while giving the drugs priority with the Food and Drug Administration for quicker review and approval.
AIDS
HIV in the United States
CDC estimates that more than one million people are living with HIV in the United States. One in five (21%) of those people living with HIV is unaware of their infection.
Despite increases in the total number of people living with HIV in the US in recent years, the annual number of new HIV infections has remained relatively stable. However, new infections continue at far too high a level, with an estimated 56,300 Americans becoming infected with HIV each year.
More than 18,000 people with AIDS still die each year in the US.
HPV = 3,800 die from it.
Hep B = 5,000
On top of that we have random stillbirth deaths/infant deaths, and 20 million annual new infections each year, to a 110 million total infections costing the US taxpayer 16 billion dollars each year.
I can do this too! *Ahem* "When the average driver in the US--meaning 1/2 of our country--will have had between 3 to 4 accidents in their lifetime because they think driving is a healthy pastime instead of something to be cautious about I don't see how you can turn a blind eye to the fact that this is just not healthy behavior." Why aren't there people out there like you wagging their fingers at people who drive a lot and don't see it as a big deal?
You are completely, sorry to say, bizarre. I'm "wagging my fingers" at people? I work for Johns Hopkins University in their Public Health Department. If I wagged my fingers at people I would be out of a job.
Moreover there ARE people out there like Mothers Against Drunk Driving helping to make all these crazy traffic laws we have and millions more jailing people for choosing to take drugs in their own home.
Wagging fingers? Only 20 children died at Sandy Hook and NYC papers were literally printing the addresses of gun owners.
Give me a ****** break with this "wagging fingers" crapola. I've done nothing but post links not to the websites of Jesus Freaks but the Unites States Centers for Disease Control, to HIV organizations, and CBS News but I'm a finger wagger?
Where do you get off? You'd tell people this is healthy behavior and have them become a statistic? Oh boy herpes is fun to have! I hope everyone gets it. Just because you can't die from it doesn't make it a good thing to have.
Ever see a penis drip with disease? That's fun stuff right there.
How about you go and tell one of the millions of people with HIV or someone who loves them how it's not that bad because they live in America and probably won't die from it this year.
Do you even know how many people I have distributed Norvir to this year alone? I spent 6 months in Malawi and saw people slowly not show up at the clinic anymore and I have to hear from some random dude on the Internet what a finger-wagger I am.
How many lovely people have you watched die from an STD? I'll bet not one.
This is spectacularly off-topic. As others have said, please take it to PM or knock it off.
On-topic: anyone got any examples of fictional characters that they'd consider demisexual? Maybe we can get some more ideas for the type of relationship/character people would like to see in a DA game.
This is spectacularly off-topic. As others have said, please take it to PM or knock it off.
On-topic: anyone got any examples of fictional characters that they'd consider demisexual? Maybe we can get some more ideas for the type of relationship/character people would like to see in a DA game.
Hmm I"m not 100% about these but they seem to me at least fill the kind of thing the OP is looking for, though a few of them that I have in mind are more or less from the same game or same kind of game. Odette from Rune Factory Tides of Destiny is a character you need to establish a friendship first before she comes forward with her feelings to the main character though most of the LIs in that game are like that in fact I can only think of 2 that show attraction to you outright the rest you need to befriend before hand. Another example I can think of would be Wizard (his actual name is Gale but you do not learn this until I think after you marry him) from Harvest Moon Animal Parade who if I recall correctly you had to befriend more than the others before he would start to show much attraction to you.
The mods haven't locked this yet?
The mods haven't locked this yet?
Hanako, I'm sorry for my part in this discussion. I really would like to discuss Kaiden with you, if you wouldn't mind very much. I still don't completely understand what flirting he engages in that prevents him from possibly being Demisexual.
Well, the first ones that come to mind are the blatant ones that occur during the Citadel DLC. As much as I love that DLC, I also hate it since it ruins things about my characters that I set up. And I'm not even referring to orientation.
That actually sounds very interesting, strange but interesting I could see the appeal in that but then again I'm weird and get way to much into video game cultures sometimes. But the idea of the whole culture being like that sounds like a very interesting one to go about it.
Yikes that sounds kind of like something I actually really dislike about some of my other games where a potential LI falls for you no matter what makes me feel like a bad person when I don't pick them especially if they don't have anyone else to be with if the protagonist doesn't get with them and I know you don't really like that idea much at all where LIs get with other people if not romanced. But that at least for me unless the character was jerky about it like say Anders was when non romanced I would feel terrible really^^;
Feel kind of bad that my disagreement part is bigger than the agreement part hehehe sorry^^;
Don't feel bad. I expected it to get more of a response to be honest.
While it would feel sad, it could open up ways to have a really sweet and tender resolution as well. Especially if the person the protagonist romances is on friendly terms with the demisexual follower. I saw a couple days ago a real sweet hypothetical conversation that fit this really well, but sadly I can't find it. 
Like how if Hawke is friends with Anders and then gets with Fenris, Anders tries to subtly ****** about it, provokes Fenris, starts an argument, and highly amuses/frustrates me and Isabela? *sighs* Good times. Good times...
Never experienced this so can't really answer.
Any who, are we talking a demisexual companion in here or the ability to play as a demisexual protagonist? Or both?
Both is fine.
I think probably companion since it's pretty easy to roleplay a demisexual PC.
Not really. Inquisition is the first Bioware game where you could get close to playing as one.
On-topic: anyone got any examples of fictional characters that they'd consider demisexual? Maybe we can get some more ideas for the type of relationship/character people would like to see in a DA game.
Are you asking for ones that are involved in a romance or just ones in general?
The mods haven't locked this yet?
Why would they lock it now that it is mostly on-topic?
Not really. Inquisition is the first Bioware game where you could get close to playing as one.
I didn't play 2, but how did the gameplay of Origins prevent you from role-playing a demisexual Warden? I understand that some character romances involved the PC having a line indicating sexual attraction prior to being that emotionally close to a character, but I don't recall Alistair or Leliana requiring something like that.
I didn't play 2, but how did the gameplay of Origins prevent you from role-playing a demisexual Warden? I understand that some character romances involved the PC having a line indicating sexual attraction prior to being that emotionally close to a character, but I don't recall Alistair or Leliana requiring something like that.
Both Alistair and Leliana required not very subtle flirts to initiate the romance. Morrigan and Zevran required blatant ones. The only exception I can think of was if you romance Leliana as a woman then there is one conversation that can start it which is more subtle.
The mods haven't locked this yet?
Why would they?
Both Alistair and Leliana required not very subtle flirts to initiate the romance. Morrigan and Zevran required blatant ones. The only exception I can think of was if you romance Leliana as a woman then there is one conversation that can start it which is more subtle.
Did the flirts directly refer to sexual attraction? And even if they did, what does it matter if you can simply wait until you feel an emotional bond to initiate the romance. Can't a demisexual express sexual interest with someone they feel they've developed an emotional bond with?
Did the flirts directly refer to sexual attraction? And even if they did, what does it matter if you can simply wait until you feel an emotional bond to initiate the romance. Can't a demisexual express sexual interest with someone they feel they've developed an emotional bond with?
Yes, every single one involved primary sexual attraction being the key to starting the romance. Demisexuals don't experience primary sexual attraction.
Yes, every single one involved primary sexual attraction being the key to starting the romance. Demisexuals don't experience primary sexual attraction.
Sorry to but in here but I recall one of the triggers that you could get later to romance Alistair didn't involve something like that I can't recall the line exactly but it was something along the lines of 'Of course I remembered you're special to me' Which was after you gave him his mother's locket I believe. Though if this is not at all what you are talking about I apologize doubly for butting in.
Yes, every single one involved primary sexual attraction being the key to starting the romance. Demisexuals don't experience primary sexual attraction.
Well, primary sexual attraction is something like "You're visually appealing to me, therefore I find you sexually attractive" whereas secondary attraction is something like "I feel close to you, therefore I find you sexually attractive." ...right? So why as long as there's a decent amount of interaction between meeting a character and declaring sexual attraction towards that character, can't any declaration of sexual attraction that happens after that be interpreted as either primary or secondary?
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