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[Ianamus]

It seems less "Origins doesn't let you roleplay as a demisexual character" and more "Origins doesn't let you have a demisexual romance". The two are pretty different things, as it's entirely possible to not engage in any sexual or romantic content with the Warden at all.

 

Ultimately I think that the writers should just write the romances however they want. If they want to write a romance with no explicitly sexual content that can be approached in different ways like Josephines then that's cool. But it's also fine if none of the writers want to do that again in the next Dragon Age game.

[BioWareMod02]

Please keep responses on topic

[Vanth]

Could part of the problem here be that we are people of different generations playing this game? I personally am a bit old - probably older than most of you. And my view on relationships is admittedly a bit old fashioned and not in line with the modern youthful approach. I really don't like the approach that Bioware takes to romantic relationships in this game and find them rather distasteful, but that is possibly just because I am an old fuddy-duddy. 

 

In other words, Bioware has made an attempt to cater for people of different sexualities but has made no attempt to cater to people of different generations or simply those with a different psychological approach to relationships. This is nothing to do with demisexuality per se, but is perhaps linked in our reaction to the relationships. Personally, I don't expect to be catered to - I innately regard video games as a young person's thing, so I am not surprised if there are aspects that I don't relate to. The relationships are one such aspect, so I just don't participate in game. 

 

[I will put this last comment as an aside, since it is a bit off topic, but in my opinion related. As I have mentioned before in a different thread, I was appalled that my inquisitor engaged in sexual activity without my consent. We went from having a nice chat to full out sex without any opportunity to object. However, in hindsight, maybe my negative reaction to this (I had to reload and break off the relationship) was also a generational thing.]

[DanteYoda]

I think this thread really explains why adding stuff like this is a bad idea, not because of anyone's sexuality but because customers and gamers just cannot play nice anymore..

 

These types of additions are far too volatile for companies such as Bioware.

 

Could part of the problem here be that we are people of different generations playing this game? I personally am a bit old - probably older than most of you. And my view on relationships is admittedly a bit old fashioned and not in line with the modern youthful approach. I really don't like the approach that Bioware takes to romantic relationships in this game and find them rather distasteful, but that is possibly just because I am an old fuddy-duddy. 

 

In other words, Bioware has made an attempt to cater for people of different sexualities but has made no attempt to cater to people of different generations or simply those with a different psychological approach to relationships. This is nothing to do with demisexuality per se, but is perhaps linked in our reaction to the relationships. Personally, I don't expect to be catered to - I innately regard video games as a young person's thing, so I am not surprised if there are aspects that I don't relate to. The relationships are one such aspect, so I just don't participate in game. 

 

[I will put this last comment as an aside, since it is a bit off topic, but in my opinion related. As I have mentioned before in a different thread, I was appalled that my inquisitor engaged in sexual activity without my consent. We went from having a nice chat to full out sex without any opportunity to object. However, in hindsight, maybe my negative reaction to this (I had to reload and break off the relationship) was also a generational thing.]

Completely agree with this, i feel the same.

 

I do not begrudge anyone their ideals or sexualities but i feel games should stick to being fun not become modern agenda tools for whoever.. There are better places for all that imo.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Did I miss something? Just asking since a Moderator posted here. 

[ThreeF]

Did I miss something? Just asking since a Moderator posted here. 

nope. delayed reaction

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It seems less "Origins doesn't let you roleplay as a demisexual character" and more "Origins doesn't let you have a demisexual romance". The two are pretty different things, as it's entirely possible to not engage in any sexual or romantic content with the Warden at all.

That's true. I was thinking more along the lines of "Origins doesn't let you roleplay a demisexual character if you pursue a romance". If one doesn't pursue a romance, then yeah it can be really easy since it never comes up, but then the same could be said of any other orientation which has had people ask for the ability to play as their orientation, which is why I don't really count that. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

nope. delayed reaction

Ah, okay. Thanks. 

[cheydancer]

I am not sure what it takes to be an 'old fuddy duddy'.  I am 60 and I like the way BW handles their romances and social topics.  It's one of the reasons I buy BW games instead of other titles.   

That being said, I have found the conversation on demisexuality highly enlightening.  I was familiar with asexuality and, of course, the Kinsey scales, but this was the first time I had heard about demisexuality. 

Thank-you to Hanako Ikezawa for this thread.

Could part of the problem here be that we are people of different generations playing this game? I personally am a bit old - probably older than most of you. And my view on relationships is admittedly a bit old fashioned and not in line with the modern youthful approach. I really don't like the approach that Bioware takes to romantic relationships in this game and find them rather distasteful, but that is possibly just because I am an old fuddy-duddy. 

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I am not sure what it takes to be an 'old fuddy duddy'.  I am 60 and I like the way BW handles their romances and social topics.  It's one of the reasons I buy BW games instead of other titles.   

That being said, I have found the conversation on demisexuality highly enlightening.  I was familiar with asexuality and, of course, the Kinsey scales, but this was the first time I had heard about demisexuality. 

Thank-you to Hanako Ikezawa for this thread.

You are quite welcome. I am glad you enjoy it.

[Grieving Natashina]

You are quite welcome. I am glad you enjoy it.

I do as well.  Despite some of the more...creative off-topic posts, I feel like I have a better understanding of demisexuality.  I also have enjoyed some of the character ideas that have been floating around.  This is a constructive and thoughtful topic overall, so I'd like to see it kept up.

 

If anyone feels like this thread should be locked, then message the mods.  Otherwise, we've already had a mod come in and request folks stay on topic.  It's obvious to me that they find the thread okay by them.  If you don't like the idea of a demisexual companion, go on ahead and politely contribute your reasons.  Don't just say, "Why isn't this locked?" because it's just troll spam at this point.  

[HuldraDancer]

Actually this thread has got me thinking about another character from one of my other games now this is something I think would be kind of hard to do in Dragon Age setting, but the crust of it was that one of the possible romances kind of fell in love with you before actually getting to see you due to the game making you play as male for the main story and this particular LI being available to the female character only so he never actually got to see her but talk to her and got to know her that way with some tweaking in the way his romance line or point up too the romance line had been pulled off he could have easily come off as demisexual.

[FreeWitch]

Obviously I'm not well versed in demisexuality as this thread is the first I've heard of it.  What is really weird is at my age I'm finding the definition of it hitting very close to home.  But I've just read what's here and done a little research through google so who knows for sure.  At 53 I don't consider myself any kind of fuddy duddy.  I love learning new things and I like to see diversity and get to know people both like myself and unlike myself.  It keeps me awake!    There's always a surprise and something I don't know or never heard of.  It doesn't make me uncomfortable at all.  Makes me more curious *shrugs*.

 

Since I can't really contribute, I just want to say that so far everything that Bioware has done in these romances has been tasteful and well thought out as far as I can tell.  I see no reason why something like this couldn't be done and would welcome seeing a character like this in one of their games.  All from my perspective of course.  I hope you get what you'd like to see in the next game.

[Handsome Jack]

For all my arguing I do think if done correctly and non-advocatively demisexuality could be a good thing. Still, we need the games to go back to Origins writing for that, not Inquisition. The writing lately's less than stellar.

[AWTEW]

I think Ace before Demi-Sexuality, because Demi-sexuality is a variant of A-sexuality. So if we are going to add everything under the sun, shouldent we go with the primary colours first?

[DomeWing333]

I think Ace before Demi-Sexuality, because Demi-sexuality is a variant of A-sexuality. So if we are going to add everything under the sun, shouldent we go with the primary colours first?

I think asexuality has already been pretty well-represented in Cole. Unless you mean an asexual romance, in which case, Josephine's romance could fall either way depending on how you head-canon.

[drummerchick]

I think Ace before Demi-Sexuality, because Demi-sexuality is a variant of A-sexuality. So if we are going to add everything under the sun, shouldent we go with the primary colours first?

I actually interpreted Solas as asexual in one of my play-throughs (I avoided the dialogue option that mentioned something about side benefits).

Overall, I would like to see more representation in future games, by which I mean actual in-game acknowledgement. Tasteful and organic of course, not "Hi, I'm     " name tags, etc.  But on the other hand, I really enjoy the ambiguity that allows me to interpret some characters (Solas & Josephine) differently over multiple play throughs. I guess what I'm clumsily saying is I would like to see more of everything.   
 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I think Ace before Demi-Sexuality, because Demi-sexuality is a variant of A-sexuality. So if we are going to add everything under the sun, shouldent we go with the primary colours first?

Well, Bioware did say last year at GaymerX that they are looking into asexual romances. 

[Thermopylae]

I would like to make an involved trolling comment about it being useful for science fiction for forming relationships with Aliens, Androids and Sentient inanimate objects, like the toaster that makes my breakfast in the morning, but I will keep it short. Also I would like to be able to form a relationship with a sword, but not a short one.

[Grieving Natashina]

Well, Bioware did say last year at GaymerX that they are looking into asexual romances. 

Patrick Weekes nodded with enthusiasm as well, and since he's new lead writer, this is a perfect time to come up with these ideas.

[HuldraDancer]

@Hanako Ikezawa I apologize that I keep coming in here with not much useful to say and I don't mean this in a 'find a different game to play if thats what you want' way but in a 'these may be examples of what you mean but I am not fully sure' way, have you ever picked up a Harvest Moon game? I would say that even though this may be do to the more simple nature of the romances themselves and the simpler mechanics of the game that most of the romances in them (of the games I've played at least) could qualify as demi romance maybe but I am not fully sure also a game I've mentioned before Tides of Destiny may hold examples of that since all the romances are tied to establishing a friendship first (and only two of the options express attraction to you almost right off the bat) but then again they are much more simple than something that would be in DA for sure but they still may be examples of a demi romance but again I am not fully sure if they would qualify for you.

[DanteYoda]

Aren't fish asexual and plants?

[Andraste_Reborn]

Aren't fish asexual and plants?

 

In a biological sense: most fish can't reproduce by parthenogensis, although some can. Same with some anthropods, lizards and amphibians. There are a lot more plants that are capable of asexual reproduction.

 

That's really not the subject of the thread, though. Sometimes words have more than one meaning.

[o Ventus]

Aren't fish asexual and plants?

You might want to invest in some biology classes.

[Shechinah]

There also fish that during mating, the male attaches itself to the larger female and slowly begins to waste away leaving only its reproductive organs which the female fish can then use to fertilize itself with. A single female can have multiple male reproductive organs.

 

This has no revelance to the titular topic but since someone mentioned fish and reproduction, I can finally mention this!