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[ThreeF]

^If nothing else this thread is educational on many levels.

[AWTEW]

I think asexuality has already been pretty well-represented in Cole. Unless you mean an asexual romance, in which case, Josephine's romance could fall either way depending on how you head-canon.

Uhh, how about no? Cole is a spirit so I don't belive he counts.

Well, Bioware did say last year at GaymerX that they are looking into asexual romances.

I must have missed that good to know.

I actually interpreted Solas as asexual in one of my play-throughs (I avoided the dialogue option that mentioned something about side benefits).
Overall, I would like to see more representation in future games, by which I mean actual in-game acknowledgement. Tasteful and organic of course, not "Hi, I'm " name tags, etc. But on the other hand, I really enjoy the ambiguity that allows me to interpret some characters (Solas & Josephine) differently over multiple play throughs. I guess what I'm clumsily saying is I would like to see more of everything.

I don't count solas either, tbh. I like solas, but he was not intended to be ace, so I don't see it as counting. The same goes for josiphine.

Now, I wonder if they could make an ace character, and a demi character in one? hmnn

[DomeWing333]

 Uhh, how about no? Cole is a spirit so I don't belive he counts. 

"Solas Greatly Disapproves"

 

While they may not be human, spirits are still sentient beings that can develop sexual interests, as we learn from one of Solas and Cole's conversations: 

 

Cole: It makes sense. It holds them as they die. But then it's a man, and he wants a woman. Why?

Solas: When they possess people, they often indulge in feelings they have never before experienced.

Cole: But it changed. It is blank, black, blunted from being. It never wanted before.

Solas: Have you felt no interest in women since you came through the Veil?

Cole: No.

 

Aside from which, Cole still doesn't express any sexual interest even when made fully human. That could eventually change as he matures, but for now, he's certainly asexual.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

Patrick Weekes nodded with enthusiasm as well, and since he's new lead writer, this is a perfect time to come up with these ideas.

Exactly. 

Patrick Weekes was the best part of that panel. From how he said adorable when describing Scribbles to the creation of the word straighty to just him agreeing in general.

 

@Hanako Ikezawa I apologize that I keep coming in here with not much useful to say and I don't mean this in a 'find a different game to play if thats what you want' way but in a 'these may be examples of what you mean but I am not fully sure' way, have you ever picked up a Harvest Moon game? I would say that even though this may be do to the more simple nature of the romances themselves and the simpler mechanics of the game that most of the romances in them (of the games I've played at least) could qualify as demi romance maybe but I am not fully sure also a game I've mentioned before Tides of Destiny may hold examples of that since all the romances are tied to establishing a friendship first (and only two of the options express attraction to you almost right off the bat) but then again they are much more simple than something that would be in DA for sure but they still may be examples of a demi romance but again I am not fully sure if they would qualify for you.

Ah, Harvest Moon. A game franchise where is someone described it to you or you watched someone else play it you'd think it's boring until you play it yourself and then you just can't stop because it gets you so involved.

 

You may be right, but it could just be they appear that way since they are designed for a more children audience.  I'd have to find one and play it again to answer this, since it has been years since I've played one.

 

I must have missed that good to know.

I don't count solas either, tbh. I like solas, but he was not intended to be ace, so I don't see it as counting. The same goes for josiphine.

Now, I wonder if they could make an ace character, and a demi character in one? hmnn

Glad I could let you know.

 

Possibly, if they consider demisexuality part of asexuality. 

[HuldraDancer]

 

Ah, Harvest Moon. A game franchise where is someone described it to you or you watched someone else play it you'd think it's boring until you play it yourself and then you just can't stop because it gets you so involved.

 

You may be right, but it could just be they appear that way since they are designed for a more children audience.  I'd have to find one and play it again to answer this, since it has been years since I've played one.

 

 

I"m playing it right now actually, too addicting to stop but then again I've been on this stuff since I was 8

 

Yes I did think they may be like that do to more simple nature of the romance and mechanics of the game which is why I've mentioned Odette from Rune Factory Tides of Destiny which I've also played recently and looking back at her arch there is a definitive point where she does fall in love with the male main character regardless but you have to have a very high friendship level with her for that to happen, though in this game no one gets with anyone else if you don't get with them so I end up feeling like a monster breaking so many hearts though like HM the romances are a bit simple maybe not as simple but still somewhere on that level.

[Seraphim24]

I"m playing it right now actually, too addicting to stop but then again I've been on this stuff since I was 8

 

Yes I did think they may be like that do to more simple nature of the romance and mechanics of the game which is why I've mentioned Odette from Rune Factory Tides of Destiny which I've also played recently and looking back at her arch there is a definitive point where she does fall in love with the male main character regardless but you have to have a very high friendship level with her for that to happen, though in this game no one gets with anyone else if you don't get with them so I end up feeling like a monster breaking so many hearts though like HM the romances are a bit simple maybe not as simple but still somewhere on that level.

 

I was about to say if you like Harvest Moon Rune Factory is kind of the sequel in many ways to HM.

[HuldraDancer]

I was about to say if you like Harvest Moon Rune Factory is kind of the sequel in many ways to HM.

 

Took me a while to find out about Rune Factory since I've been on Harvest Moon for so long but I got to say aside from one Rune Factory game I've greatly enjoyed all the ones I've played so far, so strangely addicting. Games must entail black magic in their making tis the only explanation I can think of. (I also love how I comment on this right after I get done playing Harvest Moon again)

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So does anyone have any characters they would like to see being demisexual?

The people at the gay/bi KISA thread asked this so I figured we can brainstorm as well.

[XMissWooX]

I think it could work quite well with an older love interest.

It would be interesting to see someone who has long since come to terms with their demisexuality and is comfortable with who they are.

It would also help refute claims that demisexual romances are 'too Disney/childish/soppy/etc.'

[Juggie MacBrodleteen]

God seriously?

 

And how exactly do you want anyone to add this to a character without making it obnoxious? Every romanceable character in any Bioware game is potentially demisexual or whatever it is, they never have sex with you until you have secured an emotional attachment, the only way to confirm their demisexuality would be for them to clearly state it, which is completely ridiculous.

 

"Oh by the by, I'm demisexual, which means bla bla bla"

 

And then you wonder why so many people sh*t on Bioware for making too much of a deal of all the different sexualities they include in their games, nobody cares what a character's sexuality is. It's literally "can I f*ck it, yes or no?", and that is just how far they should take it. 

[Seraphim24]

Took me a while to find out about Rune Factory since I've been on Harvest Moon for so long but I got to say aside from one Rune Factory game I've greatly enjoyed all the ones I've played so far, so strangely addicting. Games must entail black magic in their making tis the only explanation I can think of. (I also love how I comment on this right after I get done playing Harvest Moon again)

 

I'd like to think it's because of Neverland (which developed the Rune Factory series), since they also made Lufia 2 (and Lufia 1) which were some of the greatest JRPGs ever made (and which also features as demisexual a relationship as you can get)

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I think it could work quite well with an older love interest.

It would be interesting to see someone who has long since come to terms with their demisexuality and is comfortable with who they are.

It would also help refute claims that demisexual romances are 'too Disney/childish/soppy/etc.'

You make a good point. If it was an older LI rather than a younger one, the whole excuse of "They just starting thinking of relationships" wouldn't really apply since the LI in question is years past the age range where people start thinking that way yet still have not experienced such a thing. 

[Shadow Fox]

Couldn't Alistair and Merrill fit this?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Couldn't Alistair and Merrill fit this?

Alistair, no. 

Merrill, yes but doesn't due to WoG. 

[Delphine]

Being a demisexual myself, I headcanon Solas as being demisexual as well. He gets interested in you by talking a lot and finding a kindred spirit and a friend, and because Lavellan is ultimately the only person making an effort to connect with him on the intellectual and emotional levels. He hasn't felt that connection with someone for ages. So does my Lavellan.

[daveliam]

Alistair, no. 

Merrill, yes but doesn't due to WoG. 

 

I genuinely think you are reading too much into what Gaider said.  He never, to my knowledge, has ever said anything that would negate Merrill being demisexual.  He confirmed she was bisexual and 'just bisexual' in regards to the whole 'playersexual' thing.  There is no WoG that stops you from seeing Merrill as demisexual. 

[Lady Artifice]

I genuinely think you are reading too much into what Gaider said.  He never, to my knowledge, has ever said anything that would negate Merrill being demisexual.  He confirmed she was bisexual and 'just bisexual' in regards to the whole 'playersexual' thing.  There is no WoG that stops you from seeing Merrill as demisexual. 

 

I think that his intent was primarily to debunk the theories that her sexuality was dependent on the PC's gender, which was often being used as a way to headcanon her as entirely and exclusive available to the players gender within their universe. 

 

I don't think Gaider thinks that mentality is very cool. Personally, I think it's a conceit borne of possessiveness, so that's why I like that he made the comment. 

[daveliam]

I totally agree.  I think it was his way of, not very eloquently, telling people that she was bisexual.  Period.  Not straight if you were a guy and bisexual or lesbian if you were a gal.  I don't think he's ever stated either way if she could be demisexual because I don't think he's really thought about it, to be honest.

[Lady Artifice]

I totally agree.  I think it was his way of, not very eloquently, telling people that she was bisexual.  Period.  Not straight if you were a guy and bisexual or lesbian if you were a gal.  I don't think he's ever stated either way if she could be demisexual because I don't think he's really thought about it, to be honest.

 

He might not have even known about the term at the time of the comment. 

 

If I were him, or any of the writers, the "playersexuality" concept would probably get on my nerves, because it can be used to rationalize the idea that the inherent qualities of the characters are dependent on a specific player's preferences. 

 

I don't mean to tirade against the concept of someone playing with "head canon," but there's a difference between reasonable variation between interpretations of characters and events and someone superimposing their own values and beliefs over the in universe evidence. A person could interpret Merrill (and Kaiden imo) as Demisexual without defying the characterization that's established in universe. A person ignoring the fact that Merrill can be romanced by a female in favor of thinking of her as straight is a different thing. 

 

 

@Hanako, I think you're focusing on an aspect of his comment that was entirely outside of his intent. 

[Shadow Fox]

Look I know I'm going to sound ignorant but this demisexuality thing just sounds like a very selective bisexual to me.

[AresKeith]

Look I know I'm going to sound ignorant but this demisexuality thing just sounds like a very selective bisexual to me.

 

It isn't restricted to bisexuals, heterosexual and homosexuals can experience it also

[Shadow Fox]

It isn't restricted to bisexuals, heterosexual and homosexuals can experience it also

Well I'm assuming Alistair only liking women is why Hanako ruled him out of being demi.

 

I think Cass could qualify too if we're including straights though.

[Delilah Faye]

I'm Demi-heterosexual myself, and I'd really like the option to play a character who is too. I care more about being able to play someone like me than being able to romance someone like me, though. 

 

Well I'm assuming Alistair only liking women is why Hanako ruled him out of being demi.

 

I don't think that was why, because in the OP Demi-heterosexuality is mentioned. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

He might not have even known about the term at the time of the comment. 

 

If I were him, or any of the writers, the "playersexuality" concept would probably get on my nerves, because it can be used to rationalize the idea that the inherent qualities of the characters are dependent on a specific player's preferences. 

 

I don't mean to tirade against the concept of someone playing with "head canon," but there's a difference between reasonable variation between interpretations of characters and events and someone superimposing their own values and beliefs over the in universe evidence. A person could interpret Merrill (and Kaiden imo) as Demisexual without defying the characterization that's established in universe. A person ignoring the fact that Merrill can be romanced by a female in favor of thinking of her as straight is a different thing. 

 

 

@Hanako, I think you're focusing on an aspect of his comment that was entirely outside of his intent. 

Except David Gaider was the one who endorsed the mindset of playersexuality in the first place. Something he would end up regretting. 

 

But perhaps you are right. Technically since he is no longer part of the Dragon Age team one could argue his WoGs are no longer WoG. 

 

Well I'm assuming Alistair only liking women is why Hanako ruled him out of being demi.

 

I think Cass could qualify too if we're including straights though.

I ruled Alistair out because he expresses primary sexual attraction, something demisexuals do not experience. 

[Delphine]

Again, what about Solas?

(I'm too lazy to backtrack)