There is something called intersectionality. So me being a bisexual does not counter act the fact that I am also into BDSM or techinically fall under "demisexual" according to it's "definition".
Honestly, I'd much rather have a LI that is heavily into BDSM for the next game, now THAT would actually be representation for me. 
And I don't mean just like Zevran or Isabela, I want them to have it tattooed on their forehead.
#BDSMRepresentationforDA4
I'm sure some of the existing romance options need to be romantically involved with the Inquisitor before taking a roll in the hay. That has been the case with every DA game so far. With that in mind it seems what is really being asked is for some of those potential LIs to self-identity as demisexual as well. While I'm okay with real people self-identifying however they like, I don't think any characters in the game should describe themselves as demisexual.
I'm not seeing a distinction between people who self-identify as demisexual and people who are either attracted to the opposite or same sex (or both), who just don't take sex lightly. Also the term was invented in the internet age by a 15 year old girl on a roleplay forum. It would be out of place in DA dialogue, in my opinion.
Oh yeah, if you'd read the thread, you'd know we are definitely not talking about having characters use that word, just to plausibly be called as such in game and not denied as such by the writers.
There is something called intersectionality. So me being a bisexual does not counter act the fact that I am also into BDSM or techinically fall under "demisexual" according to it's "definition".
Would you mind unpacking this? I am familiar with intersectionality, but I don't understand how you can intersect bisexual with demisexual. Biromantic, sure, but I would love to hear what you mean by that. Not denying you that, just confused. 
EDIT: would also support a BDSM interested LI, but that's neither here nor there. 
There is something called intersectionality. So me being a bisexual does not counter act the fact that I am also into BDSM or techinically fall under "demisexual" according to it's "definition".
Can you explain what you mean by intersectionality please? I'm curious since the definition I know for that word is: the study of intersections between forms or systems of oppression, domination or discrimination.
In that case there is no reason to think that DA:I won't have you covered.. DA:O had Leliana and Alistair. DA2 had Merrill and Sebastian. I'm sure DA:I will have also have LIs who need to be romantically involved before getting intimate with the Inquisitor.
But those people, with the exception that an argument can be made for Merrill were it not for WoG, are not demisexual.
Preferring to have a romantic bond before getting intimate =/= cannot have an attraction until there is an emotional bond.
Oh yeah, if you'd read the thread, you'd know we are definitely not talking about having characters use that word, just to plausibly be called as such in game and not denied as such by the writers.
Would you mind unpacking this? I am familiar with intersectionality, but I don't understand how you can intersect bisexual with demisexual. Biromantic, sure, but I would love to hear what you mean by that. Not denying you that, just confused.
Wtf? Biromantics don't like sex. I like sex but only if I have emotional feelings for that person. Hence I am bisexual (because I like my gender and all other genders) "demisexual". Also I am whatever I label myself, questioning my label is extremely rude.
I totes came here to have a great time and honestly I feel so attacked right now
In that case there is no reason to think that DA:I won't have you covered.. DA:O had Leliana and Alistair. DA2 had Merrill and Sebastian. I'm sure DA:I will have also have LIs who need to be romantically involved before getting intimate with the Inquisitor.
Alistair and Leliana both clearly experience sexual attraction before any emotional bond is built. Sebastian is very clearly a heterosexual who abstains from sex, based on the history he supplies you with. An argument can be made for Merrill, and, in fact, there is nothing in game to disqualify her from being demisexual. However, Word of God states that she is bisexual.
Alistair and Leliana both clearly experience sexual attraction before any emotional bond is built. Sebastian is very clearly a heterosexual who abstains from sex, based on the history he supplies you with. An argument can be made for Merrill, and, in fact, there is nothing in game to disqualify her from being demisexual. However, Word of God states that she is bisexual.
BEING BISEXUAL DOES NOT DISQUALIFY SOMEONE FROM BEING "DEMISEXUAL" WHAT IS WRONG WITH ALL OF YOU?!
Whoa, I apparently missed an entire page before my last post. Whoops.
Wtf? Biromantics don't like sex. I like sex but only if I have emotional feelings for that person. Hence I am bisexual (because I like my gender and all other genders) "demisexual". Also I am whatever I label myself, questioning my label is extremely rude.
I totes came here to have a great time and honestly I feel so attacked right now
Based on what I know of Veeia as a poster, I can pretty safely assure you that she was not attacking you. She was honestly curious as to the answer, because it was an area of sexuality that she had not come across before. Please take no offense. (And Veeia, you're more than welcome to yell at me if I'm wrong about that!)
As an aside, I'd also be totally into a LI that's into BDSM. That would be a pretty interesting change.
Techinically we've already have had two characters into BDSM, Zevran and Isabela. They just briefly mentioned their tastes though.
Preferring to have a romantic bond before getting intimate =/= cannot have an attraction until there is an emotional bond.
How does that differ from asexuals?
Wtf? Biromantics don't like sex. I like sex but only if I have emotional feelings for that person. Hence I am bisexual (because I like my gender and all other genders) "demisexual". Also I am whatever I label myself, questioning my label is extremely rude.
I totes came here to have a great time and honestly I feel so attacked right now
I was asking if you distinguished between biromantic demisexual/bisexual-demisexual, not that demisexuals can't be bi. ... I wasn't questioning your label, I was asking for clarification, because that was a discussion we had in this thread earlier this day....if there are people who prefer to be called bisexual-demisexual instead of biromantic demisexual. I apologize for the offense caused, I really did not mean to question your label, but we've been having terminology confusion issues here, and I was hoping for your perspective.
Wtf? Biromantics don't like sex. I like sex but only if I have emotional feelings for that person. Hence I am bisexual (because I like my gender and all other genders) "demisexual". Also I am whatever I label myself, questioning my label is extremely rude.
I totes came here to have a great time and honestly I feel so attacked right now
Ah, okay. I get what you mean now. I addressed that in the OP.
Demis may also append a gender orientation to the label, as in "Demi-heterosexual".
So yes, one can be demisexual and bisexual.
BEING BISEXUAL DOES NOT DISQUALIFY SOMEONE FROM BEING "DEMISEXUAL" WHAT IS WRONG WITH ALL OF YOU?!
To be honest, my only experience with Demisexuality comes from interacting with Kallen on these boards, and Kallen was upset that Merrill was changed from being demisexual to being bisexual. I'm perfectly comfortable labeling Merrill as demisexual, but I defer to Kallen on this, as demisexuality, as I said, is not something I've had very many dealings with.
BEING BISEXUAL DOES NOT DISQUALIFY SOMEONE FROM BEING "DEMISEXUAL" WHAT IS WRONG WITH ALL OF YOU?!
I'm fairly certain it's just a misunderstanding. I know I hadn't even heard of demisexual before this thread, and a lot of this is kind of confusing to me. Different people seem to be defining these things differently. 
It's why I haven't said much.
How does that differ from asexuals?
My asexual friend (who I have met at my uni's local pride center) does not feel sexual attraction to anyone at all, or at all period
If that helps.
How does that differ from asexuals?
This little chart helps distinguish the differences:
Techinically we've already have had two characters into BDSM, Zevran and Isabela. They just briefly mentioned their tastes though.
Yeah, I suppose that's fair. I guess I mean to say that I'd be interested in seeing characters who have more than a passing acquaintance with it. And for it to actually come up in game as a part of their personality. LIke, "Hey, this is a thing I'm really into. If you're not, that's cool, but we probably should stop seeing each other."
I'm fairly certain it's just a misunderstanding. I know I hadn't even heard of demisexual before this thread, and a lot of this is kind of confusing to me. Different people seem to be defining these things differently.
I wish I never heard about it before because honestly, I THINK there's no reason for it to be a label, because a lot of people are demi and there is no reason for it to be a label, because FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN AS A QUEER INDIVIDUAL is that queer people create labels to form political names to fight against prejudice and ignorance. No one is going out and saying "kill all the demisexuals" except for probably a few frustrated queer people.
I agree that if demisexuals were forming groups and claiming the same level of oppression (based on their demi label, not any others attached to it), that would be pretty messed up. I don't see a problem with using that label to describe themselves if they find it meaningful or politely talking about it like this thread.
I reference why there is a label in the OP. I'll post it again here.
Why do demisexuals need a label?
I wish I never heard about it before because honestly, I THINK there's no reason for it to be a label, because a lot of people are demi and there is no reason for it to be a label, because FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN AS A QUEER INDIVIDUAL is that queer people create labels to form political names to fight against prejudice and ignorance. No one is going out and saying "kill all the demisexuals" except for probably a few frustrated queer people.
That's probably just because they don't know it exists. Trust me on this. 
I reference why there is a label in the OP. I'll post it again here.
Why do demisexuals need a label?
The label helps demisexuals form a sense of community and a stronger sense of self. Through this label, they learn that there are others like them out there, and that there’s a community to support them. In this community, demisexuals can talk to others who share the same experiences, share advice on navigating a very sexual world, and find emotional support. The community unites around this label, which helps its members feel more secure in their identities.Many demisexuals grow up feeling different from those around them. Most people have their first instance of sexual attraction in late childhood or their preteen years. From that point on, sex becomes a topic of curiosity and interest for them, and they eventually look forward to pursuing it. For children and teens in school, there is a lot of talk about sex—what it’s like, what it’ll be like, etc. This becomes more prevalent as they approach college and early adulthood.Demisexuals often feel alienated by these conversations because they aren’t interested in sex, they don’t find people attractive, or both. When the conversation turns to hot celebrities, for example, demisexuals may feel confused, and wonder what it is their friends see and feel. They wonder if they will eventually feel it too, and some even end up feeling “broken.” Knowing that there are others like them helps demisexuals feel less alone.So it has nothing to do with fighting prejudice or oppression.
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My asexual friend (who I have met at my uni's local pride center) does not feel sexual attraction to anyone at all, or at all period
If that helps.
That doesn't seem to be the case with all asexuals though. Some do form romantic relationships, and they would seem to fall more in line with what some are calling 'demisexuals.'
The chart posted by Kallen is also not really correct, when referring to the preferences of all asexuals.
That doesn't seem to be the case with all asexuals though. Some do form romantic relationships, and they would seem to fall more in line with what some are calling 'demisexuals.'
The chart posted by Kallen is also not really correct, when referring to the preferences of all asexuals.
Is it at all possible that the "asexuals" of which you speak are unaware of some of these other labels and are therefor simply picking the label that most closely describes them out of the ones they know? Also, bare in mind, I don't completely understand demisexuality versus asexuality.
That doesn't seem to be the case with all asexuals though. Some do form romantic relationships, and they would seem to fall more in line with what some are calling 'demisexuals.'
The chart posted by Kallen is also not really correct, when referring to the preferences of all asexuals.
None of this even matters because a person can only label one person, and that is themselves. All this chart and wiki definitions stuff is just generalizations.
And I can go around saying whatever I wanted about myself one day and say I'm something else the next and the proper thing to do is to respect that individuals definition of the labels, but one person can not go around and speak for everyone else about it and pretend like there's one sole definition. That's hella rude.
So yeah take it with a grain of salt. Personally I think labels outside of a politcal realm is total bs but I don't have a problem with using bisexual as a label when I have to do it.
The way I have been explained it:
Asexuals can be in sexual relationships when romantically attached, but they are largely indifferent to the sexual aspect of it or enjoy it on a physical level, but don't seek it out or feel the need for it. Some are sex repulsed.
Demisexuals can be in sexual relationships when romantically attached and they experience sexual attraction. They desire/enjoy sexual activities with their partner, but if they don't have romantic attraction, they don't have any sexual desire/drive.
There is also the term "grey ace", which is more of a generic term for asexuals who fall between asexuality and demisexuality.
Is there some overlap and redundancy occasionally? Yes, that's why they often ally/are grouped together, but that seems to be the general way it's defined. Sexuality is fluid and hard to define, but these words give some ways for people to think about it, which can be helpful. Mostly it just comes down to what people want to call themselves.
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