So basically you want a companion with a really low sex drive... that is what we're saying here, right? Just no physical attraction to others.
Doesn't need a label, it's just a really low sex drive.
Whats the label hurting?
Apart from you I mean, and the emotional disturbance its causing you
So basically you want a companion with a really low sex drive... that is what we're saying here, right? Just no physical attraction to others.
Doesn't need a label, it's just a really low sex drive.
People give certain events, aspects, objects, people, type of animals, concepts, what-have-you a label because that's easier to communicate. This is how human language works.
People give certain events, aspects, objects, people, type of animals, concepts, what-have-you a label because that's easier to communicate. This is how human language works.
And that list of labels is continuously growing and evolving, just as language does.
One thing that I've been having fun with lately is The Dictionary of obscure sorrows, and I think it's a pretty good testament to that compulsion in us as humans. Here are unusual new words, created not because we need them, but because some of us might want them.
https://www.youtube..../obscuresorrows
People give certain events, aspects, objects, people, type of animals, concepts, what-have-you a label because that's easier to communicate. This is how human language works.
The point that poster was going for is that besides being told said person was "demisexual," which is a pretty stupid name by the way and given its origins, that's not surprising, you would never even know.
It's not like they can outright say this character or that character is demisexual anyway, seeing as they shy away from labelling all sexual orientations altogether in game.
It's all how it's written in. That's one thing I'd like to see delivered in story- how that shapes a certain character and how other characters respond and or relate to them.
So basically you want a companion with a really low sex drive... that is what we're saying here, right? Just no physical attraction to others.
Doesn't need a label, it's just a really low sex drive.
Nope, in fact, you can have a really, insanely lunatic high sex drive, it's just to whom and when you feel the attraction that defines demisexuality.
I myself have an ungodly high sex drive to be honest, but it's only towards a very specific kind of person (personality that matches, opposite gender, etc), I can't feel it towards anyone else or any in any other context. Basically if someone doesn't feel like a compatible match I can't experience it, but when I finally experience it's extremely high.
If you read you would see that was the idea behind the demon that has carnal and sexual desire but doesn't necessarily spray that desire all over the place (which is implied with a kind of nymphomanaic succubus).
The point that poster was going for is that besides being told said person was "demisexual," which is a pretty stupid name by the way and given its origins, that's not surprising, you would never even know.
Yeah? And? The devs themselves blatantly label almost every LI in the game on social media. And because demisexual people want representation as well, they want a romance that fits their sexuality, but doesn't get buldozered over by "word of god" stating that character x can't potentially be demisexual because they're heterosexual/homosexual/bisexual/pansexual instead.
Demisexual individuals want a LI written with demisexuality as the intent, because like everyone else they want to be represented. How hard is that to understand?
So basically you want a companion with a really low sex drive... that is what we're saying here, right? Just no physical attraction to others.
Doesn't need a label, it's just a really low sex drive.
It has nothing to do with sex drive. There can be demisexuals who are nymphomaniacs when it comes to sex drive and sexual desire, but they only feel sexual attraction to someone whom they've establish a powerful bond with.
Yeah? And? The devs themselves blatantly label almost every LI in the game on social media. And because demisexual people want representation as well, they want a romance that fits their sexuality, but doesn't get buldozered over by "word of god" stating that character x can't potentially be demisexual because they're heterosexual/homosexual/bisexual/pansexual instead.
Demisexual individuals want a LI written with demisexuality as the intent, because like everyone else they want to be represented. How hard is that to understand?
First of all, calm down. Even if this was anywhere near that serious, which on a scale of 1-10, it's a -5, I didn't say I agreed with them. No, I'm against this for much different reasons like pandering to the fanbase in the most trivial of ways for optional content, that pandering being that BioWare should add one of these "special," I say that because this one was made up by a teenage girl on an RP forum, orientations regardless of their own feelings on the matter, and that this individual must be a romance option for it to count as actual "representation."
And you really need to stop caring about what a dev says, out of game no less, about a fictional setting. Word of God has use in online discussions among the entire fanbase. It has no use or impact out of those settings and shouldn't bother you when rping in game.
Yeah? And? The devs themselves blatantly label almost every LI in the game on social media. And because demisexual people want representation as well, they want a romance that fits their sexuality, but doesn't get buldozered over by "word of god" stating that character x can't potentially be demisexual because they're heterosexual/homosexual/bisexual/pansexual instead.
Two questions. First, does demisexuality necessarily exclude labels like heterosexual/homosexual/bisexual/pansexual? Can't someone have both gender and emotional attachment be prerequisites for attraction? For instance if a woman feels no attraction towards men and only feels attraction towards other women after emotionally bonding with them, couldn't I describe her as being both homosexual and demisexual?
Second, does the romance really have to be with an established demisexual LI in order for it to fit with demisexuality? Any romance that doesn't have the participants expressing their attraction to each other before some emotional bonding would be demisexual, would it not? I mean, you would describe a romance between two bisexual men as a homosexual romance, right? The exact range of the participants' sexualities doesn't really matter, only the specifications of the romance itself.
Two questions. First, does demisexuality necessarily exclude labels like heterosexual/homosexual/bisexual/pansexual? Can't someone have both gender and emotional attachment be prerequisites for attraction? For instance if a woman feels no attraction towards men and only feels attraction towards other women after emotionally bonding with them, couldn't I describe her as being both heterosexual and demisexual?
Second, does the romance really have to be with an established demisexual LI in order for it to fit with demisexuality? Any romance that doesn't have the participants expressing their attraction to each other before some emotional bonding would be demisexual, would it not? I mean, you would describe a romance between two bisexual men as a homosexual romance, right? The exact range of the participants' sexualities doesn't really matter, only the specifications of the romance itself.
To the first, that was something that I had (and still do at times) struggles with. Apparently it's mixed opinion. Some people do exactly what you mentioned: demiheterosexual or demihomosexual for example. Others seem to indicate that it's a separate sexuality that negates other sexualities. I can't seem to understand consensus on this. If the former is correct, then certainly Merrill could well be considered demibisexual, given that some people had considered her demisexual until Gaider formally WoG'd that she was bisexual. Again, people who see it as compatible with other sexualities would view her as demibisexual. People who see it as incompatable now consider her to be bisexual and not demisexual.
To the second, I think the request is to have it be confirmed in some way. Given that there are already LI's who could be considered demisexual, it seems like the request is to get it confirmed by devs in some capacity. Which I can understand to a degree. It's nice to have a confirmation that a character in a game represents you in some capacity. The trick is how that would happen with this particular sexuality, which I know has been discussed several times in the thread.
First of all, calm down. Even if this was anywhere near that serious, which on a scale of 1-10, it's a -5, I didn't say I agreed with them. No, I'm against this for much different reasons like pandering to the fanbase in the most trivial of ways for optional content, that pandering being that BioWare should add one of these "special," I say that because this one was made up by a teenage girl on an RP forum, orientations regardless of their own feelings on the matter, and that this individual must be a romance option for it to count as actual "representation."
And you really need to stop caring about what a dev says, out of game no less, about a fictional setting. Word of God has use in online discussions among the entire fanbase. It has no use and impact out of those settings and should bother you when rping in game.
Calm down? Please refrain from making assumptions about my state of mind when all you have is toneless text.
The origins of demisexuality are irrelevant. People have started to adopt the term to better describe cases where they are stuck between sexual and asexual. I believe gray-asexual has been the term before demisexual was adopted. This is one of the many ways how definitions and words come to existance. More and more people are identifying as demisexual, so a request to have representation in a game is very valid and reasonable when you keep in mind that Bioware is a company that cares about making their romances for everyone.
Please do not tell me what I need or need not care about. If there's anything I currently don't care about, it's your opinion on what WoG should or should not impact or influence.
Two questions. First, does demisexuality necessarily exclude labels like heterosexual/homosexual/bisexual/pansexual? Can't someone have both gender and emotional attachment be prerequisites for attraction? For instance if a woman feels no attraction towards men and only feels attraction towards other women after emotionally bonding with them, couldn't I describe her as being both homosexual and demisexual?
Second, does the romance really have to be with an established demisexual LI in order for it to fit with demisexuality? Any romance that doesn't have the participants expressing their attraction to each other before some emotional bonding would be demisexual, would it not? I mean, you would describe a romance between two bisexual men as a homosexual romance, right? The exact range of the participants' sexualities doesn't really matter, only the specifications of the romance itself.
Daveliam perfectly described the answers I was going to give (including the unfortunate lack of consensus whether demisexuality does or does not override other sexualities).
Do want to add something else about the bolded bit:
Correct, the romance itself would be homosexual, but the individuals would still remain bisexual, which is why Dorian and Sera being 100% homosexual was such an accomplishment: having bisexual individuals available for a homosexual romance does not give homosexual individuals the proper representation.
Representation is less about the romance itself and more about the individuals, if you catch my drift. (And most players who request representation in general would just really, really like it if they could also romance the person representing them)
But I'm no expert on representation or LGBT issues, so if anyone could either confirm or deny it, that would be great.
I was just thinking, couldn't this be fixed relatively easily with concrete acknowledgement of the passage of time in the game. The overacrching conceit of demisexuality is the formation of a romantic/emotional bond before sexual activity. Bonds are created over time, so really all that needs to happen is for the game to state exactly how long the two characters have known each other (along with a few more interactive scenes) and this should clear up when and how strongly a bond was formed.
I think the biggest problem with demisexuality is how much more nuanced and subtle it is as compared to everything else, precisly because of what people have been saying: it's not really an orientation (as in there is no "object" to whom it points, a la homosexual or heterosexual) and the (lack of) distinction between sexual attraction and sexual arousal and all the myriad other little background pieces that would have to be defined without breaking immersion.
This is moronic.
This is heroic.
So it's heroic right David?
Do you know why so-called 'identity politics' are so popular among certain people?
The answer is incredibly and depressingly simple: Because it's easy. It's unbelievably, overwhelming easy.
Can't get the laws you want passed.
Can't raise money.
Can't form 'communities.'
Can't really do anything to help the people you want to help.
Can't stop all the meanies and bullies of the Internet and elsewhere.
But boy, what we CAN do is choose something to 'identify' as. We're helpless at everything else, but we sure can do that, can't we now? That's one thing we're good at.
So they grip down on that little morsel of power with all they have because it's the only power they have. And you just have to pry their little fingers open with a crowbar, doncha now?
Easy there partner, I don't actually feel like I'm being bullied or anything necessarily, misunderstood sure at times sure, but to be honest being more chaste in sexual desire means is something I haven't really found many people to truly have a problem with fundamentally. I fit in extremely well in some ways with for example American society.
I think in general I experience more hostility among gamers and people like that for being that way rather than by the rest of mainstream society and so on (ew you are so inexperienced sexually!).
Do you know why so-called 'identity politics' are so popular among certain people?
The answer is incredibly and depressingly simple: Because it's easy. It's unbelievably, overwhelming easy.
Can't get the laws you want passed.
Can't raise money.
Can't form 'communities.'
Can't really do anything to help the people you want to help.
Can't stop all the meanies and bullies of the Internet and elsewhere.
But boy, what we CAN do is choose something to 'identify' as. We're helpless at everything else, but we sure can do that, can't we now? That's one thing we're good at.
So they grip down on that little morsel of power with all they have because it's the only power they have. And you just have to pry their little fingers open with a crowbar, doncha now?
Maybe, just maybe, it has to do with people seeking to find out who they are, put their minds at ease and have easy terms to communicate with other people.
And maybe, just maybe, you need to have a little more empathy.
You and I are in the same boat, mate.Easy there partner, I don't actually feel like I'm being bullied or anything necessarily, misunderstood sure at times sure, but to be honest being more chaste in sexual desire means is something I haven't really found many people to truly have a problem with fundamentally. I fit in extremely well in some ways with for example American society.
You and I are in the same boat, mate.
I'm not interested in one-night stands, and I rather heavily frown upon the modern western approach to romance for most people. Particular the increasing prevalence of Internet websites and all that.
But we're not underrepresented. At all. Fiction is full of characters that have, way, way less romantic history than you'd generally expect for a real person of their attractiveness and so forth.
I think the modern western approach doesn't really emphasize one night stands all that much to be honest, it definitely emphasizes repeated amounts of sexual interaction, like, it's a high sex quantity approach for sure.
I'm not really sure what your point is though.
Maybe, just maybe, it has to do with people seeking to find out who they are, put their minds at ease and have easy terms to communicate with other people.
And maybe, just maybe, you need to have a little more empathy.
I kind of appreciate the idea here but again as I said to Puncher I've never really had any deep philosophical issues with myself, I've pretty much always known exactly what I am.
It's more I keep seeing this notion pop up and that people suggest or hint at that being chaste or whatever is actually some kind of weakness or something, which is simply false.
I suspect that's largely because those who have frequently embodied that persona (i.e. in Hollywood Movies) etc might come off that way
I'm not even sure demisexual would be the right term for me anyway, at any rate.
In many ways this just kind of fuels the point Hanako was making, he nor I want to see this like "virgin girl" trope thing, or someone that's confused about sex.
For example the character in 50 Shades (maybe a bad example) was a virgin and was waiting for the right guy, etc, etc, and she also let him beat her and decide most things for her, etc, etc.
A demisexual character (I would hope) wouldn't be such a push over.
I think the modern western approach doesn't really emphasize one night stands all that much to be honest. Not to mention I've generally found more attractive people to often be less promiscuous but...
I'm not really sure what your point is.
I thought I just did said I didn't feel oppressed or marginalized over it though? Was that not clear?
As addressed in the OP:
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