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[Toasted Llama]

Don't be silly. Elven gods make sense within the setting and it makes sense that the hero of this type of story would meet them. They weren't random encounters, were they? I was questioning if a transsexual person fit this setting.

 

You met a single (or two? do people actually consider Serendipity proper representation? lol) transgender character and you're questioning whether they're fitting in the setting...
 

 

wat?


I sure hope you were questioning whether Cailan's glorious blonde hair was "fitting in the setting" as well...

[Natureguy85]

You met a single (or two? do people actually consider Serendipity proper representation? lol) transgender character and you're questioning whether they're fitting in the setting...
 

 

wat?


I sure hope you were questioning whether Cailan's glorious blonde hair was "fitting in the setting" as well...

 

Yes, I question if they fit the setting. I notice you didn't even say "yes" let alone explain how, or tell me to what extent Krem is transgendered. I checked the Wiki which says she's a woman who identifies as a man which isn't as odd as if they had her actually change physically through magical or medical means.  They basically make her Mulan except that "Krem realized he was different from the girls that he knew" and identifies as a man. This seems less far fetched than what I initially though was meant.

 

I actually forgot about Serendipity, the drag queen hooker from Dragon Age 2 and I suppose that's the same thing. I felt he was played for laughs at the brothel more than being an actual character though. Still, it's something that's been established earlier in the series.

 

Cailan's glorious, blonde, hair fit the genre, setting, his role, and his character. This is why he also wore bright, golden armor. Cailan was friendly and upbeat with a naive innocence to him. Now, if he had a pink mohawk, I'd question that!

[Toasted Llama]

Yes, I question if they fit the setting. I notice you didn't even say "yes" let alone explain how, or tell me to what extent Krem is transgendered. I checked the Wiki which says she's a woman who identifies as a man which isn't as odd as if they had her actually change physically through magical or medical means.  They basically make her Mulan except that "Krem realized he was different from the girls that he knew" and identifies as a man. This seems less far fetched than what I initially though was meant.

Please don't ever use the wrong pronoun for a transgender person you know is transgender and is adressed with a certain pronoun. That's just being a royal *******.

Also "tell me to what extent Krem is transgendered", I'm sorry, what? You're either born with matching genitals and brain/mind or nah, people are transgender or cisgender, the end. There is no "extent" to which you can be transgender, as if it's some sort of level or pie chart.

You're being extremely transphobic right now, so please, just drop the whole discussion surrounding transgender individuals and Thedosian lore.

EDIT: added missing "or nah" after "matching genitals and brain/mind"

[Natureguy85]

Please don't ever use the wrong pronoun for a transgender person you know is transgender and is adressed with a certain pronoun. That's just being a royal *******.

 

I speak in the biological sense. Krem has two X chromosomes, so to me that makes her a woman. If that's "behind the times" or whatever, so be it. Don't be so intolerant. Also, I really don't care if an imaginary person is offended at what I say. Try and keep things in perspective.

 

Also "tell me to what extent Krem is transgendered", I'm sorry, what? You're either born with matching genitals and brain/mind, people are transgender or cisgender, the end. There is no "extent" to which you can be transgender, as if it's some sort of level or pie chart.

 

Sure there's an extent. Some people get surgical procedures or hormone treatments.

 

You're being extremely transphobic right now, so please, just drop the whole discussion surrounding transgender individuals and Thedosian lore.

 

Pff, don't hide behind that word. I'm not scared of transsexuals. I'm not going to apologize for wanting good stories, world building, and characters. I'm not the type to jump up and down in celebration that a certain type of character was included just because. The whole reason I joined the conversation because the OP described a personality, not just a sexual preference.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Can we get back to discussing demisexuality, please?

Conversations involving Krem tend to get the threads they happen in locked, and I would prefer that not happen. 

[Toasted Llama]

The whole reason I joined the conversation because the OP described a personality, not just a sexual preference.

 

Uhmmmm... I don't believe the OP described a personality, as demisexuality is a sexual orientation/sexual preference...

 

 

Also;

Pff, don't hide behind that word. I'm not scared of transsexuals.

lololololol and again someone who pretends to know their greek but not the basic english dictionary.

[GGGenesis]

Uhmmmm... I don't believe the OP described a personality, as demisexuality is a sexual orientation/sexual preference...

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That's actually debatable since it falls into a grey area. It really depends on what you define sexual orientation as: sexual behaviour or gender preference. If it's the latter, then demisexuality would be closer to a personality thing. It's the 'how do they get attracted' and not the 'what attracts them'. This distinction is similar to asking what is someone's sex and what is someone's gender - one is a lot more rigid, biological and doesn't tell you much about the person's psyche, whereas the other does. In that way, sexual preference would be the more rigid and akin to asking if someone is gay, straight, bisexual or asexual. 

 

My partner refers to himself as homosexual, but tumblr would love to label him demisexual simply because he doesn't get attracted to someone unless he develops an emotional attachment to them. But in hindsight...aren't a lot of people actually like that?

[Saphiron123]

The real life statistics are only for reference. Thedas is certainly not bound by them. However, when including something so far out of the norm, not only in the real world but which has not been seen or referenced in the fictional one, and, honestly, looking at Bioware's recent history, the question naturally arises if this is included because it fits the setting and there is a compelling story to be told or if it's there as a "look how progressive we are" appeal.

 

 

Don't be silly. Elven gods make sense within the setting and it makes sense that the hero of this type of story would meet them. They weren't random encounters, were they? I was questioning if a transsexual person fit this setting.

 

 

 

Wait, is she just acting like a man to do the things men do, did she shift into men's roles in society, or did she actually get some sort of surgery or magical transformation to become a man? It was made to sound like the latter when it was brought up, which is why I questioned it. Again, I haven't played Inquisition, so I don't know and only go off what people say here.

 

 

The Arishok saying he lost no Qunari is not really "No True Scotsman." He's using the word Qunari to mean followers of the Qun, not a race. The Tal-Vashoth have left the Qun and therefore are not Qunari.

Well, I think she's basically wearing armor and fighting. Truthfully I have a weird time with the pronouns especially here where everyone is so militant about it, but I'm with you on the chromosomes thing... and truthfully it's not an unfair thing to wonder about. A guy accused me earlier of purposely saying her to be a jerk, but that's just the pronoun that comes to mind from Krem.

I mean Krem lives in the equivalent of the middle ages, it wasn't unheard of for a woman to act like a male and pretend to be male because it was seriously bad to be discovered if you were doing that, but transgenderism as it's thought of today is VERY new concept. I mean pick 99.99% of all the human being who have ever lived and explain that a woman who identifies as a male should be referred to as him, they wouldn't get it.

Gay, Bi, Straight, I can wrap my head around all these quite easily, I have a tougher time with transgenderism. The first three come down to biology and attraction, but transgenderism seems to be purely mental, being one thing and believing you don't fit that and identifying as something else. I'm cool with people living their lives however they like, but it's an odd thing to wrap your head around, and it seems to me that you're born a certain sex and you can't ever actually change that, you'll always have the chromosomes you have, and a male body will never have a uterus or the ability to give birth. Not trying to be mean, I'm quite honestly kind of perplexed by the whole concept.

Unfortunately inquisition wasn't educational, and it wasn't written for the LGBT community, it was extremely preachy. More "this is how you should feel" then "this is why".

[Saphiron123]

That's actually debatable since it falls into a grey area. It really depends on what you define sexual orientation as: sexual behaviour or gender preference. If it's the latter, then demisexuality would be closer to a personality thing. It's the 'how do they get attracted' and not the 'what attracts them'. This distinction is similar to asking what is someone's sex and what is someone's gender - one is a lot more rigid, biological and doesn't tell you much about the person's psyche, whereas the other does. In that way, sexual preference would be the more rigid and akin to asking if someone is gay, straight, bisexual or asexual. 

 

My partner refers to himself as homosexual, but tumblr would love to label him demisexual simply because he doesn't get attracted to someone unless he develops an emotional attachment to them. But in hindsight...aren't a lot of people actually like that?

That's the thing, demisexual is one of the many tumblr terms that keep popping out. It can be hard to take tumblr seriously, what with the deerkin and dragonkin etc. I mean, if you honestly believe you're a creature that doesn't actually exist trapped in the body of a man, you're either very confused, or possibly mentally ill.

I love dragons, don't get me wrong, but they're fantasy and not a legitimate lifestyle choice.

[Seraphim24]

aren't a lot of people actually like that?

 

No.

[TheOgre]

Hi, don't get the thread locked. Take yer krem debate out of the thread XD

[Toasted Llama]

That's actually debatable since it falls into a grey area. It really depends on what you define sexual orientation as: sexual behaviour or gender preference. If it's the latter, then demisexuality would be closer to a personality thing. It's the 'how do they get attracted' and not the 'what attracts them'. This distinction is similar to asking what is someone's sex and what is someone's gender - one is a lot more rigid, biological and doesn't tell you much about the person's psyche, whereas the other does. In that way, sexual preference would be the more rigid and akin to asking if someone is gay, straight, bisexual or asexual. 

 

My partner refers to himself as homosexual, but tumblr would love to label him demisexual simply because he doesn't get attracted to someone unless he develops an emotional attachment to them. But in hindsight...aren't a lot of people actually like that?

And I still don't think that it can fall under the "personality" category, as it describes how someone's libido functions.

 

Demisexuality is not in the same category or equivalent to homosexuality, heterosexuality, bisexuality or pansexuality I'll give you that, but it is in the same category as asexuality.

 

 

And can people please drop the "it was on tumblr so it's not real/fake/stupid" argument/comment? I don't like the SJW hive-mind of tumblr either, but not everything on there is batshit crazy.

[GGGenesis]

And I still don't think that it can fall under the "personality" category, as it describes how someone's libido functions.

 

Demisexuality is not in the same category or equivalent to homosexuality, heterosexuality, bisexuality or pansexuality I'll give you that, but it is in the same category as asexuality.

 

 

And can people please drop the "it was on tumblr so it's not real/fake/stupid" argument/comment? I don't like the SJW hive-mind of tumblr either, but not everything on there is batshit crazy.

I don't think it falls under personality either (it's a label for a sexual behaviour), but I think for a lot of people it's semantics. I wouldn't call it personality, but I can see how people do since. The definitions for sexual orientation differ semantically and the same can be said for sex and gender, it depends on how you define it because there is a lot of grey area to deal with.

 

I'd love to see a video game with less, hmmm, keen (?) romances? Like you flirt with them and they aren't suddenly flattered and interested in you and only later on in the game do they start being accepting of advances. But I'd imagine a lot of people are going to throw around that it's 'sexual assault' or something. Demisexuality would be difficult to pull off.

[Lady Artifice]

Can we get back to discussing demisexuality, please?
Conversations involving Krem tend to get the threads they happen in locked, and I would prefer that not happen.

I'd be interested in going back to the religious issue. I'm a big fan of Belinda Darrow in the MP, and I sort of want them to make her a companion. The problem is that she's fiercely Andrastian, in such a way that it arguably informs the aspects that I like about her. Her warmth, her cheery enthusiasm. I would imagine that someone like that losing their faith would dampen their gregarious nature.

But we've also had very fiercely andrastian companions before. Im convinced that someone like Belinda would be accused of being warrior!leliana. I'm not sure that I wouldn't prefer someone less devout for my ideal future companion.

Does anyone else have any particular hopes for the religious nature of a demisexual companion?

[TheOgre]

I'd be interested in going back to the religious issue. I'm a big fan of Belinda Darrow in the MP, and I sort of want them to make her a companion. The problem is that she's fiercely Andrastian, in such a way that it arguably informs the aspects that I like about her. Her warmth, her cheery enthusiasm. I would imagine that someone like that losing their faith would dampen their gregarious nature.

But we've also had very fiercely andrastian companions before. Im convinced that someone like Belinda would be accused of being warrior!leliana. I'm not sure that I wouldn't prefer someone less devout for my ideal future companion.

Does anyone else have any particular hopes for the religious nature of a demisexual companion?

 

I don't particularly care for religious types. 

 

But I wouldn't be opposed to a religious character. Just wouldn't be excited for her or him.

[Natureguy85]

Uhmmmm... I don't believe the OP described a personality, as demisexuality is a sexual orientation/sexual preference...

 

 

Also;

lololololol and again someone who pretends to know their greek but not the basic english dictionary.

 

I suppose so but not in the same way that someone is hetero- or homosexual. Couldn't one be demisexual in addition to also being hetero-, ******-, or bisexual? At any rate, I was referring to the OP's entire post, where they went deeper than just saying "not sexually attracted until close". it tells me a bit more about someone than knowing if they are hetero- or homosexual.

 

I understand the Greek and the English. I just don't allow people to hide behind such nonsensical name calling. To be fair, I also just like language so when words get transformed through misuse, it's annoying. The worst ever is the new definition of "literally", which is literally not what literally means. Anyway, moving on before people get mad at us.

 

It's the 'how do they get attracted' and not the 'what attracts them'.

 

Exactly, I am sexually attracted to plenty of women that I've seen but not met, nor will I ever meet them. Then there is a different set of feelings that come when I have developed that close relationship. With demisexuality, as I understood the description, it's all or nothing.

 

That's the thing, demisexual is one of the many tumblr terms that keep popping out. It can be hard to take tumblr seriously, what with the deerkin and dragonkin etc. I mean, if you honestly believe you're a creature that doesn't actually exist trapped in the body of a man, you're either very confused, or possibly mentally ill.

I love dragons, don't get me wrong, but they're fantasy and not a legitimate lifestyle choice.

 

You shouldn't take Tumblr seriously. But what's up with that last line? How can you be so insensitive? Who are you to judge? WHO?!

 

I don't think it falls under personality either (it's a label for a sexual behaviour), but I think for a lot of people it's semantics. I wouldn't call it personality, but I can see how people do since. The definitions for sexual orientation differ semantically and the same can be said for sex and gender, it depends on how you define it because there is a lot of grey area to deal with.

 

I'd love to see a video game with less, hmmm, keen (?) romances? Like you flirt with them and they aren't suddenly flattered and interested in you and only later on in the game do they start being accepting of advances. But I'd imagine a lot of people are going to throw around that it's 'sexual assault' or something. Demisexuality would be difficult to pull off.

 

It's not really behavior though. It's about feelings of sexual attraction, but it's different from a general interest in men, women, or both. That's why I asked my questions about how it would manifest itself within the game.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Does anyone else have any particular hopes for the religious nature of a demisexual companion?

Doesn't really matter. I'd prefer they not worship theElven Pantheon, Old Gods, or the Qun though. 

[Saphiron123]

I suppose so but not in the same way that someone is hetero- or homosexual. Couldn't one be demisexual in addition to also being hetero-, ******-, or bisexual? At any rate, I was referring to the OP's entire post, where they went deeper than just saying "not sexually attracted until close". it tells me a bit more about someone than knowing if they are hetero- or homosexual.

 

I understand the Greek and the English. I just don't allow people to hide behind such nonsensical name calling. To be fair, I also just like language so when words get transformed through misuse, it's annoying. The worst ever is the new definition of "literally", which is literally not what literally means. Anyway, moving on before people get mad at us.

 

 

Exactly, I am sexually attracted to plenty of women that I've seen but not met, nor will I ever meet them. Then there is a different set of feelings that come when I have developed that close relationship. With demisexuality, as I understood the description, it's all or nothing.

 

 

You shouldn't take Tumblr seriously. But what's up with that last line? How can you be so insensitive? Who are you to judge? WHO?!

 

 

It's not really behavior though. It's about feelings of sexual attraction, but it's different from a general interest in men, women, or both. That's why I asked my questions about how it would manifest itself within the game.

Wait, are you defending dragon as a gender? It's a work of fiction. It was made up as part of a story.

I can decide I identify as a unicorn, but I can't be a unicorn, because they don't exist and I happen to be a human. Nor could anyone here truly understand life for a deer, a rabbit, a wolf or a bear. Your brain chemistry isn't even the same.

If a person believes truly they are a mythical beast made up by someone for a story, they are in fact mentally ill. I'm sorry, it's not PC, but it's no different from believing you're jesus or king of the lizard people. If they're just confused kids sorting out their feelings, it'll pass, but not if people say they're really actually a dragon because they identify as one... they are humans, in a human world, with human demands.

I love cats. I cannot be a cat. My gender cannot be cat as cat isn't a gender (in fact, cats also come in both male and female varieties). Nor can I understand what it's like to be a cat just by observing cats, they have different brains, different forms, different lives that often included killing to eat and being hunted by other predators.

This is why nobody takes tumblr seriously, I believe gender dysphoria is a real thing and transgenderism is a real thing and it's something people struggle with. I know for a fact that gay people and straight people are equally real and equally human and equally worthy of respect. I do not accept that people are dragons because they identify with them, because that makes no logical sense.

I apologize if that's offensive, it's not mean spirited, but there's a very good reason much of tumblr isn't taken seriously. 

[GGGenesis]

Wait, are you defending dragon as a gender? It's a work of fiction. It was made up as part of a story.

I can decide I identify as a unicorn, but I can't be a unicorn, because they don't exist and I happen to be a human. Nor could anyone here truly understand life for a deer, a rabbit, a wolf or a bear. Your brain chemistry isn't even the same.

If a person believes truly they are a mythical beast made up by someone for a story, they are in fact mentally ill. I'm sorry, it's not PC, but it's no different from believing you're jesus or king of the lizard people. If they're just confused kids sorting out their feelings, it'll pass, but not if people say they're really actually a dragon because they identify as one... they are humans, in a human world, with human demands.

I love cats. I cannot be a cat. My gender cannot be cat as cat isn't a gender (in fact, cats also come in both male and female varieties). Nor can I understand what it's like to be a cat just by observing cats, they have different brains, different forms, different lives that often included killing to eat and being hunted by other predators.

This is why nobody takes tumblr seriously, I believe gender dysphoria is a real thing and transgenderism is a real thing and it's something people struggle with. I know for a fact that gay people and straight people are equally real and equally human and equally worthy of respect. I do not accept that people are dragons because they identify with them, because that makes no logical sense.

I apologize if that's offensive, it's not mean spirited, but there's a very good reason much of tumblr isn't taken seriously. 

 

I think they were speaking sarcastically, but yes I do agree with you. I'm not trans, but I hate gendered things (like why can't men wear dresses and why can't women fight in the front lines), and this whole 'species dysphoria' I find to be insulting to trans people. I understand trans people because there is a biological and scientific explanation, same goes for sexuality, but species dysphoria doesn't have that.

 

I also cringe when people start inventing all of these new 'sexualities' which really...they're not sexualities. How you court and what fetish you have doesn't define your sexual orientation, who you court does. It really gets annoying when people create their minority identity then trample all over other minorities because 'hey, I'm a special snowflake and need airplay too'. It really trivialises minority groups. It's like when people say "My coffee at Starbucks was cold and it made me depressed." No. No it didn't. It made you upset. If you knew depression you'd know cold coffees are the least of your troubles.

[Saphiron123]

I think they were speaking sarcastically, but yes I do agree with you. I'm not trans, but I hate gendered things (like why can't men wear dresses and why can't women fight in the front lines), and this whole 'species dysphoria' I find to be insulting to trans people. I understand trans people because there is a biological and scientific explanation, same goes for sexuality, but species dysphoria doesn't have that.

 

I also cringe when people start inventing all of these new 'sexualities' which really...they're not sexualities. How you court and what fetish you have doesn't define your sexual orientation, who you court does. It really gets annoying when people create their minority identity then trample all over other minorities because 'hey, I'm a special snowflake and need airplay too'. It really trivialises minority groups. It's like when people say "My coffee at Starbucks was cold and it made me depressed." No. No it didn't. It made you upset. If you knew depression you'd know cold coffees are the least of your troubles.

Or when people claim PTSD because someone ignored them when they tried to say something, or discrimination because a doctor suggested an unhealthy lifestyle and body weight is a negative.

I'm with you. 

[Seraphim24]

This is why nobody takes tumblr seriously, I believe gender dysphoria is a real thing and transgenderism is a real thing and it's something people struggle with. I know for a fact that gay people and straight people are equally real and equally human and equally worthy of respect. I do not accept that people are dragons because they identify with them, because that makes no logical sense.

 

This is why I don't take BSN (too) seriously, it's not a matter of whether they are "real things or not." I accept that some people believe they are dragons and identify with them.

 

The question isn't strictly regarding whether this is a "real" thing or not, the question is whether you are free to (or should) discriminate against those people's alleged unique thing with impunity, like in the sense that society permits people to discriminate against people on the basis of intelligence, attractiveness, and things of this nature.

 

It's just some things to think about.

[Saphiron123]

This is why I don't take BSN seriously, it's not a matter of whether they are "real things or not." I accept that some people believe they are dragons and identify with them.

 

The question isn't what a person is coming up with a real thing or not, the question is whether you are free to (or should) discriminate against those people with impunity, like in the sense that society permits people to discriminate against people on the basis of intelligence, attractiveness, and things of this nature.

Well, if a person actually believes they're a dragon, I'd suggest they need a little help... that'd mess up your life and future social relationships pretty well. I don't discriminate and hate them for being different, I do think that telling them it's totally acceptable to be a dragon is going to cause them more harm then good in their lives. We all have fantasies and dreams, I wanted to be vegeta from dragon ball z when i was a kid because he was awesome, how messed up would I be now if a bunch of people told me that was totally cool and normal and I should accept i'm a fictional character inside?

How many people would hire a dude who insists he's a deer inside?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I wonder, should I make another thread about this on the Mass Effect: Andromeda subforum? 

[Saphiron123]

I wonder, should I make another thread about this on the Mass Effect: Andromeda subforum? 

If you do, you'll have to include some other tumblr inspired identities so everyone gets equal representation, lol.

[The Antagonist]

I should make a thread requesting transracialism in bioware games. Rachel Dolezal should be a good example.