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[bel3338]

That depends on what the grand scheme of things is. I'm sure the HoF isn't important to the mage v templar issue, but neither are the gray wardens generally. However when the dark spawn come back into the picture, that could change. It won't though because the HoF could be dead and that always minimizes a character's future role.

 

Although, if the HoF (or perhaps Orlesian Warden. I don't know since I never did that) weren't important, the Seekers wouldn't be looking for them.

 

Yeah I tend to agree; outside of Blights (and the Anderfels ... and Amaranthine but Wardens with political power is a unique occurance outside Weisshaupt) Wardens tend not to hold much sway, serving only as a reminder of darker days and who wants that. The games themselves make mention to the fact that their influence wanes during the long waits between Archdemons. 

 

I think arguing who was the most influential in shaping Thedas out of the Warden and the Champion is somewhat redundant since the history is still being written. If we ever see into the years beyond the Dragon Age then we'll have better scope for determining that.

 

What the HoF and Hawke both have, however, is fame, and that brings influence. Just look at celebrities today; actors, who I think we can all agree are not all that important in the grand scheme of things, have a voice which reaches far and wide ... otherwise why would the UN have made so many of them 'ambassadors'. The Seekers want to use their influence to attempt to restore peace - fortunately for them it would seem the Breach grants them someone with new found fame in the form of the Herald.

 

 

I obviously strongly disagree about the Warden reappearing in future games (or Zevran for that matter), in so far as I believe they should be present at least as much as Alistair in the grand scheme of things. Alistair has three times the oppurtunity to be dead as the Warden, right? Or at least 2/1. And Nathaniel has made returns as well, despite two oppurtunities to die. Then of course there are the canonically live characters who could be killed in previous games. Reappearing characters are important, even more when their appearance or the nature thereof is a result of player choices. So they don't get a pass from me on that.

 

I too would LOVE to see my Warden make a return, but I think the one key factor stopping Bioware putting them back in is the voice; they think that who ever they pick to voice one of our characters would result in a backlash, and they may well be right. When we were introduced to Hawke, they already had their voice, and we grew their character and grew to like them (or not) with that voice - the same was true in Mass Effect, and will (hopefully) happen with the Inquisitor. After one and a half games with the HoF we've developed our own imagined voice for them, and no two actors (or even four like DA:I) could ever fulfil everybody's expectations ... although if anyone has any suggestions we should pass them onto Bioware, you never know

[Senjougahara Hitagi]

What the HoF and Hawke both have, however, is fame, and that brings influence. Just look at celebrities today; actors, who I think we can all agree are not all that important in the grand scheme of things, have a voice which reaches far and wide ... otherwise why would the UN have made so many of them 'ambassadors'. The Seekers want to use their influence to attempt to restore peace - fortunately for them it would seem the Breach grants them someone with new found fame in the form of the Herald.

 

I still don't get why were the Seekers looking for the Warden. Why would anyone want a Warden to deal with the kind of situation they were having at the time? It's not like mages or templars are going to listen to him because he killed an Archdemon (mages might, if HoF was a mage but then templars wouldn't for sure). There is nothing he can do for them. I kinda get why they would want to talk to Hawke, or why they came looking for him in the first place, they thought he was much more involved in the situation and wanted to ask some questions. But Warden?

There is I think a good reason for the person that's trying to negotiate peace between mages and templars not to asociate with Wardens at all. The fact that one of the leaders of the rebel mages IS a senior Grey Warden, and that the guy responsible for blowing up Kirkwall's chantry was a Grey Warden abomination. You can surely see that from the templars perspective, Grey Wardens woludn't appear as the most trustworthy of people. Not to mention that a lot of the important people in this struggle are Orlesians and Orlesians are not going to listen to Fereldan no matter what, even less likely should it be an elf, or a dwarf.   

[Kantr]

I still don't get why were the Seekers looking for the Warden. Why would anyone want a Warden to deal with the kind of situation they were having at the time? It's not like mages or templars are going to listen to him because he killed an Archdemon (mages might, if HoF was a mage but then templars wouldn't for sure). There is nothing he can do for them. I kinda get why they would want to talk to Hawke, or why they came looking for him in the first place, they thought he was much more involved in the situation and wanted to ask some questions. But Warden? There is also the fact that one of the leaders of the rebel mages IS a senior Grey Warden, that doesn't help. Not to mention that a lot of the important people in this struggle are Orlesians and Orlesians are not going to listen to Fereldan no matter what, even less likely should it be an elf, or a dwarf.   

For the mage it makes sense. For the others, maybe their political power? Easier to talk to the King?

[Natureguy85]

I still don't get why were the Seekers looking for the Warden. Why would anyone want a Warden to deal with the kind of situation they were having at the time? It's not like mages or templars are going to listen to him because he killed an Archdemon (mages might, if HoF was a mage but then templars wouldn't for sure). There is nothing he can do for them. I kinda get why they would want to talk to Hawke, or why they came looking for him in the first place, they thought he was much more involved in the situation and wanted to ask some questions. But Warden?

There is I think a good reason for the person that's trying to negotiate peace between mages and templars not to asociate with Wardens at all. The fact that one of the leaders of the rebel mages IS a senior Grey Warden, and that the guy responsible for blowing up Kirkwall's chantry was a Grey Warden abomination. You can surely see that from the templars perspective, Grey Wardens woludn't appear as the most trustworthy of people. Not to mention that a lot of the important people in this struggle are Orlesians and Orlesians are not going to listen to Fereldan no matter what, even less likely should it be an elf, or a dwarf.   

 

That's definitely a "wait and see" thing, which is fine for an ending like DA:2's. It may be for something only slightly related, if at all, to the mage issue.

[Natureguy85]

Lots of important choices are missing from the Keep

Important characters like Velanna and Sigrun aren't even mentioned

And don't start talking about "well they prolly arent importantu". Is feeding the prisoner important? Like, seriously... 

Keep lacks many choices which though maybe are not going to influence the DAI specifically, still played an important part of the previous games 

 

A seemingly unimportant choice being included is not an argument for other unimportant choices to be included. If the characters are not going to be brought back, then they don't need to be in the keep.

 

That said, I would like to see Velanna again, even just in a sidequest like Nathaniel showing up in DA:2 because of the endings where she disappears in the keep and where she runs off into the deep roads. I'd be curious of what happened. Sigrun is likely dead in most of her epilogues, going to her Calling or picking back up as a Legionnaire of the Dead.

[TimXP]

If Zev was so important in Isabella's life, why no acknowledgment in DA:O? Because it was canonically introduced after the fact.

 

If you talk to Isabela with Zevran in your party in DA:O, there's some dialogue about how they're old friends and he killed her husband.

 

I still don't get why were the Seekers looking for the Warden. Why would anyone want a Warden to deal with the kind of situation they were having at the time?

 

I always figured it was because s/he is not just A Warden, but THE Warden in a lot of people's minds. S/he's a legendary war hero who got up to all sorts of crap that goes way beyond just fighting Darkspawn. If I were trying to quell the Mage/Templar conflict, I know I'd try to look up my old friend who crowned two kings, ended a civil war, put down multiple demonic infestations, tore a bloody path through the Deep Roads to rediscover the Anvil of the Void, etc. and still managed to end the Fifth Blight in record time while leading a hand-crafted army of mages, elves, and dwarves. S/he's like a walking lifehack.

[Senjougahara Hitagi]

If you talk to Isabela with Zevran in your party in DA:O, there's some dialogue about how they're old friends and he killed her husband.

 

 

I always figured it was because s/he is not just A Warden, but THE Warden in a lot of people's minds. S/he's a legendary war hero who got up to all sorts of crap that goes way beyond just fighting Darkspawn. If I were trying to quell the Mage/Templar conflict, I know I'd try to look up my old friend who crowned two kings, ended a civil war, put down multiple demonic infestations, tore a bloody path through the Deep Roads to rediscover the Anvil of the Void, etc. and still managed to end the Fifth Blight in record time while leading a hand-crafted army of mages, elves, and dwarves. S/he's like a walking lifehack.

 

Yeah, exactly THE Warden, she is either friend of Wynne - the person that's basically responsible for this whole thing (and everyone knows this 'cause she was telling it everyone that was willing to listen). Or she is the Warden that had the whole Fereldan circle killed, just to be sure. She can also be the Warden that wanted the Circle freed from Chantry, that refused to give Andres to the templars. The one that was associating with apostates like Morrigan or Velenna. Yeah, I would totally listen to what she has to say if I was a templar.   

 

And she is not your old friend. The one looking for her is the Divine, not Leliana.

[TimXP]

Yeah, exactly THE Warden, she is either friend of Wynne - the person that's basically responsible for this whole thing (and everyone knows this 'cause she was telling it everyone that was willing to listen). Or she is the Warden that had the whole Fereldan circle killed, just to be sure. She can also be the Warden that wanted the Circle freed from Chantry, that refused to give Andres to the templars. The one that was associating with apostates like Morrigan or Velenna. Yeah, I would totally listen to what she has to say if I was a templar.   

 

And she is not your old friend. The one looking for her is the Divine, not Leliana.

 

Well, if you want to frame it that way, they could also be trying to track down the Warden just to make sure s/he's not responsible for causing even more trouble for them, given the track record.

[Kantr]

Yeah, exactly THE Warden, she is either friend of Wynne - the person that's basically responsible for this whole thing (and everyone knows this 'cause she was telling it everyone that was willing to listen). Or she is the Warden that had the whole Fereldan circle killed, just to be sure. She can also be the Warden that wanted the Circle freed from Chantry, that refused to give Andres to the templars. The one that was associating with apostates like Morrigan or Velenna. Yeah, I would totally listen to what she has to say if I was a templar.   

 

And she is not your old friend. The one looking for her is the Divine, not Leliana.

Leliana is the one looking for her on behalf of the Divine

[DocDoomII]

You are forgetting the fact that the Keep is made to import variables into DA:I.
It's useless to add 999 more tiles if none of those variables will be addressed in the game.

And you can bet that most of them, even if used, will be totally cosmetic because it would be a bit wrong to have a portion of player "unabled" to see these difference if they don't use the keep and only use the canon DA:I world setting.

[AshenEndymion]

And you can bet that most of them, even if used, will be totally cosmetic because it would be a bit wrong to have a portion of player "unabled" to see these difference if they don't use the keep and only use the canon DA:I world setting.

 
I agree that a lot of the tiles in the Keep will result in cosmetic changes in Inquisiton, but there will be options in the Keep that will greatly affect Inquisition.  And it's not wrong to make those plotlines or options exclusive to those choices.  The options available in Inquisition should be affected by some of the choices made by the Warden and Hawke.
 
After all, didn't Mike Laidlaw say something about wanting players to only be able to experience ~60-70% of the game on a single playthrough?  That choices made in the game would significantly affect it, by blocking or changing paths, and otherwise enforce that each game played can be completely different?  Why couldn't that apply to imported choices as well?  Why would that be a bad thing?

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

You are forgetting the fact that the Keep is made to import variables into DA:I.
It's useless to add 999 more tiles if none of those variables will be addressed in the game.

 

It's not useless to add tiles without an effect on the games. The Keep was also made as a way to chronicle the player journey throughout all the games.

 

Yes, the ability to import those decisions into future games is a big factor, but that's not all it is. A lot of tiles in the Keep are simply there for the player's benefit, and they won't matter at all for any future games. During the beta they have had a lot of polls asking 'What tile would you like to see in the Keep?'. They didn't make every tile with the intent of using them for imports.

 

I think a lot of people still don't get this. The fact that people like Keran, Danzig and the Ostagar Prisoner have their own tiles doesn't automatically mean they will be mentioned in DA:I, or any future Dragon Age games. So it is best not to get your hopes up.

[Chugster]

sorry to ask a daft question, but do PC saves for DA2 import to PC version of DAI directly or do you have to use the Keep?

 

I lost my original saves and am in the process of making a few new ones but some of my old characters on the website (which DAK uses) haven't saved properly, especially my main character. My recent DAO and DA2 characters haven't appeared on the site either

[Sardart]

sorry to ask a daft question, but do PC saves for DA2 import to PC version of DAI directly or do you have to use the Keep?

 

I lost my original saves and am in the process of making a few new ones but some of my old characters on the website (which DAK uses) haven't saved properly, especially my main character. My recent DAO and DA2 characters haven't appeared on the site either

 

Saves are not imported.
Use the keep with your Origin account, it'll sync your unlockables and achievements.

Then shape your choices, and import the result to DA:I.

[DAJB]

sorry to ask a daft question, but do PC saves for DA2 import to PC version of DAI directly or do you have to use the Keep?

 

I lost my original saves and am in the process of making a few new ones but some of my old characters on the website (which DAK uses) haven't saved properly, especially my main character. My recent DAO and DA2 characters haven't appeared on the site either

No, it will not be possible to import any saves from any platform into DA:I.

 

Whether you still have your old save games or not, it is always necessary to recreate those saves manually in the Tapestry. DA:I can only import the details from there.

[Chugster]

Well that's crap...a lot of my characters aren't on the website properly..all those hours played wasted...all the dlc choices missing (i didnt get witch hunt until recently).I can understand no last gen to next gen but pc saves should be importable

[DAJB]

Well that's crap...a lot of my characters aren't on the website properly..all those hours played wasted...all the dlc choices missing...I can understand no last gen to next gen but pc saves should be importable

Whether your characters are in the Keep or not makes no difference. The Keep was always created to be completed manually.

 

It's not just a function of last gen / new gen compatibility, it's also because the old saves were buggy, and even some saves imported from DA:O into DA2 were not working properly. That was true for all platforms.

 

The idea is that this way you can be sure that the details imported into DA:I will be correct.

[AshenEndymion]

Well that's crap...a lot of my characters aren't on the website properly..all those hours played wasted...all the dlc choices missing...I can understand no last gen to next gen but pc saves should be importable

 

If the first name of your Hawke/Warden truly affects something, that'll be surprising... And the DLC choices are in the Keep.  I don't see why people feel like they're entitled to import their own personal save, rather than using the program specifically created for building world states...

[Chugster]

Ignkre me...the keep wasn't working rigbt, I didn't realise you coild change stuff after the story bit

[DAJB]

Ignkre me...the keep wasn't working rigbt, I didn't realise you coild change stuff after the story bit

Ha! You've barely scratched the surface then!

 

Have fun!

[Chugster]

Ok just did my first tapestry run...can you only have one world state at a time or can yoi set upmultiple versions? I couldn't see away to save it and make a new one

[Degs29]

With the old save-import system we at least didn't know what was or wasn't carried over but now we see it all and we see all that are missing.

 

You say that like it's a good thing.  I take it you're one of the "ignorance is bliss" crowd? 

 

Bioware has done something new and incredibly difficult here.  Just managing the major choices and their respective cascading effects was a major undertaking.  Then add in hundreds of minor choices and the thing must be a nightmare!

 

Keep in mind that the Keep is meant to be a running tapestry of your own, personal Dragon Age world.  DA:I will likely not use the majority of those choices in any way.  If there's a minor choice you want included on there, by all means suggest it to them.  We're still in beta after all.  If it doesn't screw with things, I wouldn't be surprised if they put it in there eventually.  Just don't expect it to play a role in DA:I or even future games.

[DAJB]

Ok just did my first tapestry run...can you only have one world state at a time or can yoi set upmultiple versions? I couldn't see away to save it and make a new one

It should save automatically as you go along.

 

To create a new one, click on the globe icon (top right corner) and a new menu opens up. There's a plus-sign there for creating a new World State. Then click on the "eye" icon to bring up the new set of tiles to change.

 

Also, in that menu, you can click the edit (little pencil) icon by the side of the World State title to rename your World State so you can tell them apart. That also lets you note some additional info about the World State too.

 

Oh, and although you can have more than one World State saved in the Keep, you can only have one "exported" at a time. If you export another it will erase the first so, as I understand it, you'll need to import the first World State into DA:I, before exporting a second.

Modifié par DAJB, 10 novembre 2014 - 08:04 .

[Chugster]

Ok I really should have looked into this abit more before ranting...this tapestry is fine, maybe even better than save importing as you can make changes. Still gonna do a couple more runs especially in DA2 just to remember the context of a lot of the choices available in the tapestry

Although ihave noticed that some things don't carry into the tapestry when you choose a character....like romances

[DAJB]

Ok I really should have looked into this abit more before ranting...this tapestry is fine, maybe even better than save importing as you can make changes. Still gonna do a couple more runs especially in DA2 just to remember the context of a lot of the choices available in the tapestry

We've all been there!