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[helpthisguyplease]

 Or is just one of the great powers with Navara being first or maybe even Tevinter they still have a very powerful military. I say this because of the civil war and the mage-templar that ravages the empire.

[SerCambria358]

The Qunari, as for mainland factions, yea probably Nevarra or Tevinter due to the amount of chaos going on in Orlais

[Master Warder Z_]

Probably.

The civil war has only had a few actual battles and the mage templar issue isn't going to hurt Orlais much.

[KC_Prototype]

What would make Nevarra better? And hell not to the Qunari. 

[helpthisguyplease]

Well the fact that Nevarra actually defeated Orlais and took territory from them is the reason. 

[SerCambria358]

What would make Nevarra better? And hell not to the Qunari. 

Nevarra is the only nation that some think can rival Orlais and that was before the civil war, breach, and mage-templar conflicts. As for the qunari, i've said this multiple times before. They've conquered the entire norther half of the continent conquering an enemy that no one else could and hplding it for 50+ years, with no experience with their enemy what so ever. Their military took an entire crusade to push only to a stalemate from multiple nations. They're clearly designed to be the most powerful singular nation

[Kieran G.]

I would say they are very powerful but not powerful enough to meet no resistance like they might have been a time ago.

 

And now with the civil war, it will probably take them at least 10-20 years before they are the threat you are afraid of from the other side of the continent 

[raging_monkey]

There are 3 world powers(not in any order)
Tevinter: For their magical prowess and martial skill(constantly war with qunari and took 4 exalted marches and still stands

Orlais: center of the chantry and while currently fractured they still are a powerful nation because they have the chantry's influence

Qunari: fought all of thedas to a standstill taking half the continent if it hadnt been for the peace treaty we'd still be fighting them

[helpthisguyplease]

Nevarra is the only nation that some think can rival Orlais and that was before the civil war, breach, and mage-templar conflicts. As for the qunari, i've said this multiple times before. They've conquered the entire norther half of the continent conquering an enemy that no one else could and hplding it for 50+ years, with no experience with their enemy what so ever. Their military took an entire crusade to push only to a stalemate from multiple nations. They're clearly designed to be the most powerful singular nation

The qunari had cannons while the human nations had mages and bigger numbers and a freaking Tevinter capital that just refuses to fall(it hurts having a enemy in the middle of you territory). But now Tevinter can hold up to the qunary so that makes you wonder did the qunary got weaker or Tevinter stronger.

[SerCambria358]

The qunari had cannons while the human nations had mages and bigger numbers and a freaking Tevinter capital that just refuses to fall(it hurts having a enemy in the middle of you territory. But now Tevinter can hold up to the qunary so that makes you wonder did the qunary got weaker or Tevinter stronger.

Or the QUnari just havent attempted to conquer again till they're ready. Not conquering doesnt mean you cant conquer, its Tevinter that refuses to give up despite them gaining nothing from their constant war that THEY refuse to end. The qunari were willing to end the conflict but tevinter wanted Par Vollen and Seheron back yet they've gained neither while the Qunari have sat and replenished their forces

[Master Warder Z_]

I wish people actually read the lore in detail.

Orlais was not defeated by Nevarra.

True the territory in Nevarra Orlais ruled over was lost to them.

Territory they gained after a prior blight.

But not a single inch of Orlesian soil was lost.

[SerCambria358]

I wish people actually read the lore in detail.

Orlais was not defeated by Nevarra.

True the territory in Nevarra Orlais ruled over was lost to them.

Territory they gained after a prior blight.

But not a single inch of Orlesian soil was lost.

In 8:70 Blessed, a war between Nevarra and Orlais over the control of the western hills around Perendale resulted in Nevarran victory. However, Orlais proceeded to sow dissent and rebellion among the locals in Perendale, who resented Nevarran rule

 

Perendale was a city taken from the Orlesians along with its surrounding territory 

[veeia]

Mage-Templar war affects every country with a Circle, even in the Anderfels they are weakened by it (as seen in Last Flight).

 

The Civil War + the Elven Uprising + the Breach being so close as well as possibly upsetting the balance of the Chantry's hierarchy does point to a weakening in Orlais, although it's just as likely than an Orlesian group will exploit this to empower their own version of Orlais as an outsider will use it to weaken Orlais's overall influence. 

 

I suspct this is going to be a plot point in the game though, so we'll have definitive answers soon enough. I mean it's Orlais, and you've posed a question that puts them in opposition to Tevinter, which this forum has a weird obsession with (not hating it's just strange to me) , so....there will still be arguments, lol, but with more data behind them. 

[AltanIV]

In 8:70 Blessed, a war between Nevarra and Orlais over the control of the western hills around Perendale resulted in Nevarran victory. However, Orlais proceeded to sow dissent and rebellion among the locals in Perendale, who resented Nevarran rule

 

Perendale was a city taken from the Orlesians along with its surrounding territory 

 

Fair enough, it's a bit hard though to assess Nevarra's current strength on a military feat that happened 70-80 years before the current events.

[SerCambria358]

Fair enough, it's a bit hard though to assess Nevarra's current strength on a military feat that happened 70-80 years before the current events.

True, in my opinion there's nothing to suggest that they've weakened in any way with their leaders being renown for military prowess along with not having lost any major conflicts. Id argue that they're just as strong or stronger than their previous state 

[Bigdoser]

Fair enough, it's a bit hard though to assess Nevarra's current strength on a military feat that happened 70-80 years before the current events.

Well out of all the white chantry countries the Nevarran mages are the only ones pushing the limits of magic apart from Tevinter. I hope when we get a game set in Tevinter so we can go to Nevarra.

[helpthisguyplease]

True, in my opinion there's nothing to suggest that they've weakened in any way with their leaders being renown for military prowess along with not having lost any major conflicts. Id argue that they're just as strong or stronger than their previous state 

And to be fair Orlais did lost from that time until DAO a couple of legions against the rebels of Ferelden.

[Bigdoser]

And to be fair Orlais did lost from that time until DAO a couple of legions against the rebels of Ferelden.

Yeah lets not also forget the civil war and the bloody "game" that consumes most of the nobles time and I personally think it is something that is holding them back.

[SerCambria358]

And to be fair Orlais did lost from that time until DAO a couple of legions against the rebels of Ferelden.

I never said Orlais was weak, but given their gradual decline and the fact that three major events are hitting them at the same time, its in my opinion that they're being severely weakened

[helpthisguyplease]

I never said Orlais was weak, but given their gradual decline and the fact that three major events are hitting them at the same time, its in my opinion that they're being severely weakened

I have to say Orlais has quite a fast decline with a peak that was not long. I wonder what made them be a less succesful empire then Tevinter.

[Bigdoser]

I have to say Orlais has quite a fast decline with peak that was now long. I wonder what made them be a less succesful empire then Tevinter.

I blame the "game" seriously I think the "game" is bloody dumb and stupid as hell. Its holding the country back because of the "game" I think Orlais is just as bad as Tevinter in different ways of course. 

[SerCambria358]

I have to say Orlais has quite a fast decline with peak that was now long. I wonder what made them be a less succesful empire then Tevinter.

Well "The Game" is a major reason, its a system that is designed to pit your fellow Orlesians against you only to seek a selfish lust for power. That is seriously a dumb thing to do, it ruins the unity of the most powerful people in the nation by making them only think for themselves.

[SerCambria358]

I blame the "game" seriously I think the "game" is bloody dumb and stupid as hell. Its holding the country back because of the "game" I think Orlais is just as bad as Tevinter in different ways of course. 

WHile i think the game is a major set back, i wouldnt compare it to being a nation that condones slavery and blood magic

[Bigdoser]

WHile i think the game is a major set back, i wouldnt compare it to being a nation that condones slavery and blood magic

Yeah but with Orlais it shows that even normal people can have a country that sucks and considering what their knights "initiation ritual"  and all their other dirty secrets and privileges they have. Oh and all the gory details and assassinations because of the "game" and the innocent people caught within it. 

 

Still does not matter who gets hurt the nobles must have their "one up" on the other noble.

 

Plus the elves situation in general I find it pretty comparable plus considering the fact that said person with a name beginning with the letter G used the "game" to rip a hole said country and start a civil war which is costing innocent lives as well... 

 

Oh and the Orlaisian occupation of fereldan was not pretty either. 

[SerCambria358]

Yeah but with Orlais it shows that even normal people can have a country that sucks and considering what their knights "initiation ritual"  and all their other dirty secrets and privileges they have. Oh and all the gory details and assassinations because of the "game" and the innocent people caught within it. 

 

Still does not matter who gets hurt the nobles must have their "one up" on the other noble.

 

Plus the elves situation in general I find it pretty comparable plus considering the fact that said person with a name beginning with the letter G used the "game" to rip a hole said country and start a civil war which is costing innocent lives as well... 

 

Oh and the Orlaisian occupation of fereldan was not pretty either. 

WHile im in no way saying they're innocent, i still dont find it comparable to slavery and blood magic