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[AlanC9]

The proof is usually in the pudding. When there is such drastic changes, reinventing the wheel etc. etc. and  MP's combat is built around for simplicity, you can bet SP combat will suffer similar simplistic changes in some manner. It has happened time and again. Whether one believes or not is up to each individual person of course.

I'll play. You say you've got examples? What are they?

[LEXX]

Can't believe they wasted so much resources creating the multiplayer version.  It looks so terribly boring.  I mean it would have totally work if it was an open world multiplaying with the maps they have for the single player.  I mean the muliplayer should kick in when you are done with the single player game and you can roam around with your friends online kicking some left over bad guys, dragons ect...

[brazen_nl]

I'm so glad they're offering MP. With ME3, I was sceptical, but ended up loving the heck out of it!

 

As has been said, you don't like it, don't touch it.

[KaiserShep]

The proof is usually in the pudding. When there is such drastic changes, reinventing the wheel etc. etc. and  MP's combat is built around for simplicity, you can bet SP combat will suffer similar simplistic changes in some manner. It has happened time and again. Whether one believes or not is up to each individual person of course.

 

This is pretty debatable. On the Mass Effect side of things, I saw the combat improve as the series progressed, and I didn't see it suffering as a result of ME3's inclusion of multiplayer. If I had to really think of a quibble at all, it would probably have been the shared button for sprinting, running for cover and combat rolling, but I got the hang of it pretty quickly so I don't care anymore.

 

As for Dragon Age, I was never blown away by Origins' combat, and its relative complexity didn't necessarily make it better for me, and DA2, well, the Talkative Man did point out how everything from eating to fighting was getting simpler, and we had no multiplayer there.

[Jock Cranley]

What's wrong with multiplayer?

[LEXX]

I'm so glad they're offering MP. With ME3, I was sceptical, but ended up loving the heck out of it!

 

As has been said, you don't like it, don't touch it.

LOL.  The multiplayer gameplay combatting mechanic of magic/swords vs firing weapons aren't the same thing.  Any one will be able to tell you that when it all said and done.  Mass Effect Multiplayer combatting is far more fun than DAI multiplayer.  At the top of my head I can't even think of a fantasy based game(s) combat for multiplayer that is good at all.  I mean if every player have the long range and close range ability of a Mage/Warrior with many different type of magic fire power shooting stuff out of your hands or staffs than that would make it close to a fps for multiplayer. They should have done something like Evolve if they want to add the multiplayer option.

[Gothfather]

After reading an article today which mentions how DA:I was originally planned as a multiplayer only game, and reading more and more about how the first DLC is going to be for multiplayer, I have to wonder.... Who the hell ever asked for multi player Dragon Age?

It's a single player game, which was built on single player fans. I hate multiplayer games. People generally completely ruin the immersion and fun of these games. Why make such epic companions if youre going to make us meet other players?

I played Neverwinter nights and never touched their multiplayer. Who honestly want this kind of thing?

Simplest answer.

 

Other people than you. Its not a hard concept to grasp.

[Giantdeathrobot]

The proof is usually in the pudding. When there is such drastic changes, reinventing the wheel etc. etc. and  MP's combat is built around for simplicity, you can bet SP combat will suffer similar simplistic changes in some manner. It has happened time and again. Whether one believes or not is up to each individual person of course.

 

Why was ME3 more complex than ME2 then, if simplicity is an absolute requirement for multiplayer? And why are we limited to 4 abilities in MP yet 8 in SP?

[Star fury]

This makes me wonder about something. When Bio took the unprecedented step of abandoning MP with Jade Empire and KotOR after investing heavily in it with BG, BG2, and NWN, did we have people complaining that Bio was getting away from its MP roots? The closest thing I can remember are all the howls of protest when the HotU campaign wasn't playable in co-op.

BG & BG2 had a multiplayer co-op mode for story campaign which is vastly different from current MPs like a primitive horde mode of ME3 or a dungeon crawler of DAI. I don't think anyone would've complained if DAI had a co-op for story campaign. How many people played multiplayer in BG 1-2 in 1998 with horrendously slow connection anyway? How many people even had internet in 1998? Is there any statistic?

[AlanC9]

Mass Effect Multiplayer combatting is far more fun than DAI multiplayer.

I take it you have extensive experience of DAI multiplayer?

At the top of my head I can't even think of a fantasy based game(s) combat for multiplayer that is good at all.

Funny. There seem to be a lot of them out there.

[AlanC9]

@ Star fury: I can't think of how you'd get reliable stats for BG. Bio would have good stats for NWN a few years later, though, since they ran the authentication server.

As for the rest, my point is just that Bio's always liked doing MP, when they can find a way. Obviously a co-op DAI campaign is a bit of a dicey proposition since lots of the cinematics would break, which IIRC is why the HotU campaign didn't support co-op.(And it's not at all clear that such a campaign would actually be all that popular.) A standalone MP mode is much easier to implement, since there aren't any dependency issues that are going to screw up the SP game .

[XXIceColdXX]

I had my doubts about Mass Effect 3s multiplayer prior to release. Yet I was pleasantly surprised it became one of my favourite multiplayer experiences to date . It was fun and was well supported with free DLC and balance changes.

I'm keeping optimistic Bioware can kick a goal and suprise us with another fun multiplayer experience.

[Vilegrim]

I believe they said MP and SP were developed separately simultaneously by two separate teams. So no, neither is taking anything away from the other. I'm personally looking forward to both.

Except they have also said they used the multiplayer engine to balance single player combat, which has me concerned to say the least.

[LEXX]

I take it you have extensive experience of DAI multiplayer?


Funny. There seem to be a lot of them out there.

Alright smartass. Name them.

[Sidney]

I had my doubts about Mass Effect 3s multiplayer prior to release. Yet I was pleasantly surprised it became one of my favourite multiplayer experiences to date . It was fun and was well supported with free DLC and balance changes.
I'm keeping optimistic Bioware can kick a goal and suprise us with another fun multiplayer experience.

I never played MP games before ME3MP. I was, and based on Destiny still am, gawd awful at PvP stuff. The coop nature of ME3MP lured me and I really enjoyed it and found the whole experience from the players to the game to be fun. I am suspicious of DA type combat as an Mp thing but I will certainly try it and see how it plays.

[AlanC9]

Alright smartass. Name them.

Every MMORPG ever? (Well, except TOR because we all pretend that Star Wars isn't fantasy.)

Unless you're saying all those games are bad?

[SpecH82]

After reading an article today which mentions how DA:I was originally planned as a multiplayer only game, and reading more and more about how the first DLC is going to be for multiplayer, I have to wonder.... Who the hell ever asked for multi player Dragon Age?

It's a single player game, which was built on single player fans. I hate multiplayer games. People generally completely ruin the immersion and fun of these games. Why make such epic companions if youre going to make us meet other players?

I played Neverwinter nights and never touched their multiplayer. Who honestly want this kind of thing?

EA probably asked for it, like with mass effect 3 multiplayer part, I guess in mass effect gamers did want multiplayer but co-op campaign style not the crap that they in my opinion got.

 

So EA figured they are probably going to sell a few more copies if DAI has multiplayer. Just remember to wait between 1 week and 4 months before trying it out, the servers won't work at the launch like happened with sim city and  battlefield 4 lol.

 

Personally I don’t care about multiplayer in dragon age, since I’m only interested in the single-player experience and won’t even try it I guess, except maybe if I’m drunk with a friend, then maybe I’ll start it…. Maybe.

[skjutengris]

Best game in history?

Everquest original the first MMO that WoW copied and made billions from.
People need to socialise and learn to be friendly and to be good and EQ in the day made that happen as any a-holes didnt get any groups so they played necro solo.

 

I enjoy a good story and single player but some of this fanbase here with DAI are a bit fanatical IMO.

I guess that is due to they care about one and zeroes a lot the digital age kids.

I still recall events from everquest 15 years later as it was an epic game for multiplayer.

The tendency to attract the casual crowd, kids with sugar instead of blood in their veins with instant gratification dont turn me on.

My idea of safe sex for example isnt to play games where you can pretend you did have sex.

That happens in real life and is way better btw trust me on that

[MrDbow]

Well, certainly after yesterday's stream, I am very glad some people asked for multiplayer because it looks so much fun!

[LordParbr]

After reading an article today which mentions how DA:I was originally planned as a multiplayer only game, and reading more and more about how the first DLC is going to be for multiplayer, I have to wonder.... Who the hell ever asked for multi player Dragon Age?

Well, concidering they didn't make it multiplayer-only, "not many" is probably your answer

[full_metal_zombie]

 

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If this had seperate budget, and it is completly separated there should be 2 versons to chose from.
I would gladly pay even 1$ less for version without multiplayer built-in, just to show how I not care about that.

You could also look at this from two separate point of views.

Would the game cost less without it?

1. No. Then you're getting something extra for the same amount of money as I have to pay.
2. Yes. Then I am paying for you to have something extra in your game.

It's very easy to say if you don't like it don't play it. But I am paying for something I am not going to play.
Make it free standalone or free DLC product you can download and all will be fine.

 

 

So, in other words what you're saying is that the very inclusion of any optional feature in a product that you do not want is a bad thing and effects you directly? Holy heck. By your logic, anything optional that is put into a video game that you perceive as costing you extra money for its inclusion should be excluded. I'm baffled. Last time I checked, this game is going to cost 59.99 retail. Along with all the other games that have come out recently that cost the same thing, without MP. Evil Within. Alien Isolation. Bayonetta 2. 

 

What other features in this game, or any other game you buy, will you not use yet are forced to pay for, I wonder? Trophies? Inverted controls? Nightmare difficulty? 

[full_metal_zombie]

At the top of my head I can't even think of a fantasy based game(s) combat for multiplayer that is good at all. 

 

 

Alright smartass. Name them.

 

 

Diablo.
Diablo 2.
Diablo 3.
Everquest.
WoW.
Neverwinter Nights.
Buldar's Gate 2.
Dark Age of Camelot.
Warcraft 2.
Warcraft 3.
Lord of the Rings Online.
Champions of Norrath.
Champions: Return to Arms.
Buldar's Gate: Dark Alliance.
 

I could keep going. Fantasy MP games, all of them. Some worse than others. Some aged. But all good, in their own way, in their own time. 

[Grieving Natashina]

May I add the Starcraft games to that list?

[Mykel54]

the shareholders of EA.

[Rhagavar]

I hope that at some point they will add the ability to have AI characters in MP because no one I know is getting the game and I don't trust matchmaking to make a proper team or randoms to properly function as one.