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LeBurns

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So, how is it that Varric is in DA:I?

 

Wasn't he left as some prisoner or something at the end of DA2?  Did Cass just let him go and he decided to just follow her around because they're best buds now?  Did he just happen to walk by when Cass found the PC and said "Hey I'll help you guys" and Cass said "Fine, love to have you".  I mean seriously though, does anyone know how or why he is even in the game?  Was there some special role he had in DA2 that makes him just perfectly fit into the story in DA:I?

 

Just wondering if anyone knows a logical reason for it yet?



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Cass dwarfnapped Varric to tell the Divine what went down in Kirkwall.


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Cass brought him with her.



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She took Varric to Haven to tell his story to the divine and he ended helping because of the Breach and not wanting to be idk killed by demons


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So she doesn't just kill him or imprison him after the breach encounter?  He's the only rogue in the entire country that can help or she just can't get enough of him?  It just doesn't seem like a logical arrangement.



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No he voulenteers and after the Breach happens a majority of inquisition forces are killed so it's not like they can be picky on who joins


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"You are free to go."

 

I imagine he decides to help her after watching the world fall apart around him.



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I'm sure if you've actually played DA2 'till the end you'll notice Cass giving him permission to go until circumstances of Inquisition.

He's in Inquisition because BioWare feels there's more to be told about Varric, which is true because there wasn't enough elaboration on his character as far I recall.

It's the same reason why a character like Isabela ended up becoming a party member in DA2, because the writers liked the character and wanted to do something more with her.


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I'm sure if you've actually played DA2 'till the end you'll notice Cass giving him permission to go until circumstances of Inquisition.

He's in Inquisition because BioWare feels there's more to be told about Varric, which is true because there wasn't enough elaboration on his character as far I recall.

It's the same reason why a character like Isabela ended up becoming a party member in DA2, because the writers liked the character and wanted to do something more with her.

This and due to the things that happened in the comics, if you read any of those.


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LeBurns

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I'm sure if you've actually played DA2 'till the end you'll notice Cass giving him permission to go until circumstances of Inquisition.

He's in Inquisition because BioWare feels there's more to be told about Varric, which is true because there wasn't enough elaboration on his character as far I recall.

It's the same reason why a character like Isabela ended up becoming a party member in DA2, because the writers liked the character and wanted to do something more with her.

 

So logic had nothing to do with it.  You know I don't mind re-occurring characters if the story is a continuation (like ME), but since DA games have basically been stand alone as far as the PC is concerned I do wish BioWare would come up with some new characters instead of recycling old ones ... or worse yet, forcing them to fit where it makes no sense just for a cameo (looking at you DA2).



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At the end of DA2, when Cassandra tells Varric that Hawke is a hero and that Hawke is the one who could put an end to the war, Varric tells her he wishes he could help her. For this reason, it doesn't seem far-fetched for the two of them to be working together.



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"You are free to go."

I imagine he decides to help her after watching the world fall apart around him.


And based on the footage we've seen so far, he's not exactly tickled to be working with her. He also seems less friendly and cheerful overall. Which is totally understandable; he had a lot invested into Kirkwall.

I'm sure he has his reasons for joining the Inquisition, but they may not be as noble as some people expect. Varric was actually quite amoral in DA2. Often he would prefer the diplomatic choice over the right one, because he thrived on connections and keeping everyone on his side.
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So logic had nothing to do with it.  You know I don't mind re-occurring characters if the story is a continuation (like ME), but since DA games have basically been stand alone as far as the PC is concerned I do wish BioWare would come up with some new characters instead of recycling old ones ... or worse yet, forcing them to fit where it makes no sense just for a cameo (looking at you DA2).

What logic? Are you implying that you already know what the story is going to be about, when you claim that he doesn't suit this story? The difference with Varric to having say... Alistair as a party member again is that there was never enough thorough examinations of his background, only vague hints to his past which are never explored -- He spend too much time talking about anyone but himself so we hardly knew him as much as we thought in DA2.

 

Let me phrase that I somewhat share your views on having old characters constantly showing up again like a distant relative knocking at your door unnannounced, proceeding to wreck your place then immediately leave. I don't believe, however, that applies to Varric as there's more to him than just being a smarmy dwarf who doesn't seem to have many flaws (or perhaps they were never explored as much).

 

If you want in-game explanations then I'd argue his experiences in that pile of brown & gritty gray noise that was Kirkwall makes him valueable to have along. I'd say that's enough, really.


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Yeah there is a logical reason. It's that everyone loved Varric in DAII, so they wanted some of that good old Varric buzz for Inquisition. :P



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So she doesn't just kill him or imprison him after the breach encounter?  He's the only rogue in the entire country that can help or she just can't get enough of him?  It just doesn't seem like a logical arrangement.

 

It's not like Varric is captured as criminal. Cass wanted information from him, not put him in prison or kill him. Varric is around when breach happens so he just sticks around longer I guess ^^



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I see.  Well perhaps it will all be worth it all.

 

Thanks for the replies.



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Worth it? I was unaware this impacted you in any way.

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Worth it? I was unaware this impacted you in anyway.

 

Would I have made a thread if it didn't?  Seriously.



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You personally? Yes. But, I'll bite; how does this impact you in anyway, positive or negative?

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Maybe Bioware wants to make more use of the characters they have made, a bit like with Alistair. Rather than just write a character only to appear once and never be see again. People say they do not want to see certain characters again like Anders, Fenris etc but Bioware is not going to dump their creations purely because a player did not personally like them, even if they killed them.



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Mages are locked in towers and mundanes aren't slaves. Let's face it nothing in southern thedas makes any sense.

I even heard the divine was a woman.

 

It's like..........bizarro world down there.


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Mightylink

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You didn't finish da2? It looks like they teamed up in the end, at least on my save file.



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Br3admax

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Cassandra definitely kidnapped him, from party banter.

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You personally? Yes. But, I'll bite; how does this impact you in anyway, positive or negative?

 

Cause in RL I'm just a very logical person (Math Major and all that).  I just need everything, even game logic, to make sense to me for me to enjoy it.  I need it to make sense, to me, that Varric is there.  I need to know that he isn't just being forced into the game just for 'reasons' and nothing else.  Is that ok?



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Varric wasn't left as prisoner, he was just being held until the interrogation was finished. After that, it's not completely clear yet but I imagine she either took him by force because she thought he was a good resource to have or he offered to help once he saw how serious the issue was. He may not like her that much but he still cares about what's happening.