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[Birdy]

Again, not mutually exclusive in the scope of a story.  Why can't people enjoy both killing monster and saving the world AND popping out kids in a domestic setting?  Isn't settling down "happily ever after", which in many cases means marriage and kids, tied directly to high fantasy?  Isn't it present in many of the great high fantasy classics?

 

Again, I'm not interested in myself, but why do you have to suggest that people aren't playing their high fantasy correctly if they are interested in that?  Play your game your way and let them play their game their way.

The world falling apart around them is a domestic setting?

[Super Drone]

The world falling apart around them is a domestic setting?

 

 My point exactly.

[rda]

The world falling apart around them is a domestic setting?

Meh, when I was in the military and deployed not too long ago, there was more than one woman sent home because she got pregnant.

I'm not calling it a "domestic setting" but yeah. Life and death situations are apparently not a bar to sexual activity, and with male/female sexual activity, there's always a chance.

(And no I'm not buying super efficient birth control or magic, since presumably Morrigan had access to both, and that didn't prevent her getting pregnant, so...)

[daveliam]

The world falling apart around them is a domestic setting?

 My point exactly.

 

Re-read the OP.  They are not asking for a child to be literally birthed during the course of the game.  They are asking for it to be conceived during the romance arc.  Conceivably, a child could be conceived towards the end of a game and the epilogue slide could indicate that after the events, a child was born. 

 

Or, they could go full-on Aerie and add a baby directly into your inventory during the course of the game, I guess.

[Roses]

I don't really know... not a fan of kids in general, forgive me in advance, and the options we get with Morrigan, or just mentions of characters maybe settling down together sometime and having a family are more than enough for me. For all else there's comics and fan fiction.
If I wanted to play a household with kiddies, I would be playing Sims, for Dragon Age I have a bit different expectations...

[rda]

Re-read the OP.  They are not asking for a child to be literally birthed during the course of the game.  They are asking for it to be conceived during the romance arc.  Conceivably, a child could be conceived towards the end of a game and the epilogue slide could indicate that after the events, a child was born. 
 
Or, they could go full-on Aerie and add a baby directly into your inventory during the course of the game, I guess.

I agree. You know, though, there's going to be some clown who freaks out. "What? You mean Cassandra fought the Big Bad while pregnant with my two month old fetus?! More evidence of Bioware's disregard for the unborn and them pushing their liberal ideology!"

[Lady Luminous]

Oh dear god. No, no children. This is an adventure game, there is no way I'm hanging up my blades to stay home with some kidlet, screw that. 

 

I have to deal with possible sexual consequences in real life, don't make me have to think about it in my game too! 

 

Go play the sims if you want kids in a game. 

[Super Drone]

Again, not mutually exclusive in the scope of a story.  Why can't people enjoy both killing monster and saving the world AND popping out kids in a domestic setting?  Isn't settling down "happily ever after", which in many cases means marriage and kids, tied directly to high fantasy?  Isn't it present in many of the great high fantasy classics?

 

Again, I'm not interested in myself, but why do you have to suggest that people aren't playing their high fantasy correctly if they are interested in that?  Play your game your way and let them play their game their way.

 

Happily ever after is just that. After. As in epilogue cards and headcanon. Making child-rearing and home-making content a part of the actual game necessitates a game other than the one the Dragon Age series has been about.

 

 Except for the one game in the series that totally could have been partially about that but the fans shrieked and raged about it, thus guaranteeing there will never be another one like it.

[HTTP 404]

The logistics of what having a child with an LI appear in a future installment of dragon age seems....like a nightmare to figure out.  Unless that child is a customizable main character you RP and is the center of the story.  That would be cool.  I think the god-child itself seems like it was a difficult thing to pull off due to variables.  Because of those variables I doubt we see or talk much about Morrigan's child if he or she even exists.  (I know about the spoilers in artbook)

[rda]

Also, as an aside, if anyone wants a trip down memory lane, YouTube has Aerie's romance in its entirety. The dialogue and character are just mind bendingly terrible.

The only thing in the pregnancy arc that makes any sense in the slightest is when protagonist wants to send Aerie away to someplace safer and she says something like, "I'm as safe here as I will be anywhere else."

The rest of it, though-laugh out loud schlock, and a 12 year old boy's understanding of how women's bodies work.

[Heimdall]

Again, not mutually exclusive in the scope of a story.  Why can't people enjoy both killing monster and saving the world AND popping out kids in a domestic setting?  Isn't settling down "happily ever after", which in many cases means marriage and kids, tied directly to high fantasy?  Isn't it present in many of the great high fantasy classics?
 
Again, I'm not interested in myself, but why do you have to suggest that people aren't playing their high fantasy correctly if they are interested in that?  Play your game your way and let them play their game their way.

Because such a feature would have to be incredibly involved and becoming pregnant+giving birth rather conflicts with the physical demands of saving the world. It'd have to be a very involved system, far more so than the current romance systems and probably far more for female PCs than male PCs. If you want to manage a domestic household, I think you should play the Sims instead. Now, if having kids and settling down is an ending result rather than such a complex addition to the main game, that's perfectly fine.

"Total" freedom to play however is more Bethesda's trade. Bioware works within authored narratives. Their games have plenty of sidequests, but they aren't going to create to something so involved and so tangential as that.

[Heimdall]

The logistics of what having a child with an LI appear in a future installment of dragon age seems....like a nightmare to figure out.  Unless that child is a customizable main character you RP and is the center of the story.  That would be cool.  I think the god-child itself seems like it was a difficult thing to pull off due to variables.  Because of those variables I doubt we see or talk much about Morrigan's child if he or she even exists.  (I know about the spoilers in artbook)

Well,

Spoiler

Then you know they decided to get around that problem by making him a miniature male Morrigan

[Super Drone]

"Total" freedom to play however is more Bethesda's trade. Bioware works within authored narratives. Their games have plenty of sidequests, but they aren't going to create to something so involved and so tangential as that.

 

But, but, Bioware should be able to allow me total Freedom to do anything I want in game, and tell a fantastically written, deep narrative!!

 

Because Bioware writers are omniscient gods, and I waaaaaaaant it!!!

[mopotter]

Oh dear god. No, no children. This is an adventure game, there is no way I'm hanging up my blades to stay home with some kidlet, screw that. 

 

I have to deal with possible sexual consequences in real life, don't make me have to think about it in my game too! 

 

Go play the sims if you want kids in a game. 

Or Fable. 

 

I'm also not a fan.  I'd much rather they put the time and effort into more conversations with your LI and other companions.  If someone wants to have a conversation about having kids and settling down after the crisis is over, I wouldn't mind that options.  Then those that like a real tradgey could kill off their character and leave their LI heartbroken or survive and have a comment in the epelogue about kids playing outside or something.

 

It's the one option I doubt that I'd ever take.  Didn't in BG either.  All of my characters male and female see kids as possible hostages to fortune and take precautions.  The LI is capable of takiing care of him/her self.

[mopotter]

But, but, Bioware should be able to allow me total Freedom to do anything I want in game, and tell a fantastically written, deep narrative!!

 

Because Bioware writers are omniscient gods, and I waaaaaaaant it!!!

  Flashback to my 3 year old granddaughter.  But I want it.  No, sorry you don't get everything you want.  But But I WANT IT. 

[Scelous]

I'm disappointed with how hostile a lot of the community is towards the idea of the hero having kids, and I am rather tired of the reference towards playing The Sims, as if that's the only way to do it.  Protagonists do have offspring in fantasy novels, and stories can revolve around such situations.

 

I really like the Rune Factory games specifically because it has adventuring and yet also shows the hero's home life.  It draws me more into the world by making the hero seem more like a real person and less like a wandering murderer.

 

Adam Miller also made Neverwinter Nights mods that focused on the hero and his family as well, which I thoroughly enjoyed.

 

Anyway, I like the idea of the main character having kids -- if nothing else, it would be a change of pace.  However, I can see that such a scenario is not well received on these forums.

[Lady Luminous]

I'm disappointed with how hostile a lot of the community is towards the idea of the hero having kids, and I am rather tired of the reference towards playing The Sims, as if that's the only way to do it.  Protagonists do have offspring in fantasy novels, and stories can revolve around such situations.

 

I really like the Rune Factory games specifically because it has adventuring and yet also shows the hero's home life.  It draws me more into the world by making the hero seem more like a real person and less like a wandering murderer.

 

Adam Miller also made Neverwinter Nights mods that focused on the hero and his family as well, which I thoroughly enjoyed.

 

Anyway, I like the idea of the main character having kids -- if nothing else, it would be a change of pace.  However, I can see that such a scenario is not well received on these forums.

 

It's just the thought of being forced to have/look after kids makes me shudder. 

 

This game is my escape from reality where I can't have unprotected sex and not freak out. 

[General TSAR]

Am I the only one who thinks this, am I silly for thinking this or what?

You're silly, though you can father a child as the Dwarven Noble.

[daveliam]

I'm disappointed with how hostile a lot of the community is towards the idea of the hero having kids, and I am rather tired of the reference towards playing The Sims, as if that's the only way to do it.  Protagonists do have offspring in fantasy novels, and stories can revolve around such situations.

 

This was really my point too.  And since I've also stated numerous times that it's not even something that I personally care about but think it's not my place to dismiss other people's requests, I also don't think people aren't even reading the posts before responding.  Hence being told by a third person to go play the Sims. 

[Super Drone]

I'm disappointed with how hostile a lot of the community is towards the idea of the hero having kids, and I am rather tired of the reference towards playing The Sims, as if that's the only way to do it.  Protagonists do have offspring in fantasy novels, and stories can revolve around such situations.

 

I really like the Rune Factory games specifically because it has adventuring and yet also shows the hero's home life.  It draws me more into the world by making the hero seem more like a real person and less like a wandering murderer.

 

Adam Miller also made Neverwinter Nights mods that focused on the hero and his family as well, which I thoroughly enjoyed.

 

Anyway, I like the idea of the main character having kids -- if nothing else, it would be a change of pace.  However, I can see that such a scenario is not well received on these forums.

 

Most fantasy novels have the hero having kids in the epilogue, or are multi-generational, slow paced stories. Inquisition almost certainly takes place over a span of less than a year (The Breach is an immediate threat). Not enough time to really even birth a child, much less form a relationship where having children would be something any right-minded couple is ready for.

 

Mr. Gaider said it best when asked about child-rearing in-game. "This is not that game".

[Birdy]

I'm disappointed with how hostile a lot of the community is towards the idea of the hero having kids, and I am rather tired of the reference towards playing The Sims, as if that's the only way to do it.  Protagonists do have offspring in fantasy novels, and stories can revolve around such situations.

 

I really like the Rune Factory games specifically because it has adventuring and yet also shows the hero's home life.  It draws me more into the world by making the hero seem more like a real person and less like a wandering murderer.

 

Adam Miller also made Neverwinter Nights mods that focused on the hero and his family as well, which I thoroughly enjoyed.

 

Anyway, I like the idea of the main character having kids -- if nothing else, it would be a change of pace.  However, I can see that such a scenario is not well received on these forums.

Are people not allowed to say no to children?  I think hostile is a bit much to how people are reacting. Lol.

[LostInReverie19]

I know in SWTOR one of the Female Sith storylines Quinn talks about wanting to have a child with you but (afaik) there isn't any pregnancy.  I don't know about the others.

 

Most of the SWTOR LI's mention either having kids or adopting them, but it doesn't actually happen in-game. 

[rda]

Most fantasy novels have the hero having kids in the epilogue, or are multi-generational, slow paced stories. Inquisition almost certainly takes place over a span of less than a year (The Breach is an immediate threat). Not enough time to really even birth a child, much less form a relationship where having children would be something any right-minded couple is ready for.
 
Mr. Gaider said it best when asked about child-rearing in-game. "This is not that game".

I don't want child rearing in game per se. Although change the baby's diaper is not necessarily more ridiculous than collect yak meat, lol.

But seriously, I think what I'm actually advocating for is some discussion of families, children, and hopes and wishes for the future in an adult manner. If that happens to include an in game pregnancy, and it can be feasibly worked in, so be it. But that's not really the point. I want to know WHY we're saving the world-what are our hopes, wishes and dreams for the world we save? Sure, for some characters, family might not be part of that. But for most normal people, it is, or at least it's a consideration. A topic of discussion.

I think that can be very adult and not Sim like at all.

I think Bioware won't do it because REASONS-any mention of it seems to get an automatic "WE ARE NOT THE SIMS!"

But it seems more realistic rather than less to have those conversations, and perhaps, show those decisions-not make them the focus, but have them there as conversations, or perhaps epilogue.

Like Cassandra-she's almost 40, single-why? Is she just up for some fun times while ya'll save the world but if you do, it's back to her career and she'll give you the heave-ho? If you're going to include romances, these aren't ridiculous conversations to have.

[WidePaul]

Curse Bioware for making such great characters that we can get so attached to *shakes fist*. Seriously though I think that just being able to get so attached to a fictional character and wanting them to have a family and be happy shows just how good Bioware are at character creation/development, outside of the ME and DA series I've never got so attached to video game characters.