So I was just putting in my decisions from DA2, and I came across what I thought must be an error - it would not allow me to say that Aveline abandoned the party as well as Fenris being killed in the endgame.
I was sure that this is what happened, but further research online has only yielded a bunch of places saying that this IS impossible, and Aveline will not abandon the party if you don't still have Fenris.
Except this DID happen in my game. It wasn't long ago I finished this playthrough, and I have the game open on my 360 right now staring at my post-game party-select screen with both of them missing. I was rivals with both of them, I sided with the mages, and they both refused to help. When I went into the Gallows, I encountered Aveline who said she wouldn't fight me, but she threw her sword down and left forever. Then later (I think after the Orsino battle, on the way out to Meredith?) I encountered Fenris who was being all snarky, and I ended up killing him in a battle. Ergo, no Aveline, no Fenris.
So surely I can't be the only one whose game went this way, but yet both the Keep and most websites I find say that this cannot happen.
I think it was the game's intention for you to have access to a warrior at all times yet I've also seem the proof online of people able to get Fenris and Avaline to leave the party. I think it requires a very strict combination of events for this to happen, whether it was meant to happen or not. Sorta like people able to romance Morrigan and Leliana under very strict careful choices and timing but it wasn't suppose to happen.
I'm going to take a stab that your case was an in game bug, thus the Keep won't reflect it.
I think it was the game's intention for you to have access to a warrior at all times yet I've also seem the proof online of people able to get Fenris and Avaline to leave the party. I think it requires a very strict combination of events for this to happen, whether it was meant to happen or not. Sorta like people able to romance Morrigan and Leliana under very strict careful choices and timing but it wasn't suppose to happen.
I'm going to take a stab that your case was an in game bug, thus the Keep won't reflect it.
It doesn't seem very strict to me. I was just playing an aggressive pro-mage, jerk to everyone. Nothing seemed strange or out of place, I made perfectly natural decisions that fit the character - it's not like I was going out of my way, following a bizarre and unlikely sequence to deliberately try and trick the game, as you need to in order to mess with the romances or whatever. Everything unfolded naturally, there was nothing that didn't make sense. Is it SO unlikely that if you're being a jerk, they BOTH might not like you?
It should be possible to set it up that way, I agree. It doesn't make a lot of sense Aveline would stick around if you went full rival with her and sold Fenris to Denarius, like I intended for bloodmage Hawke in a pt. DA2 made some mistakes we shouldn't be stuck with, I think. The game shouldn't care if we had all the classes or three available companions or not. Hopefully they'll adjust that for Keep at some point.
I kind of hate it when the keep does stuff like this. Some thing I'm told are keep bugs (like it telling me I can't have Irving die if I didn't agree with Cullen to kill the mages), but if the game bugged on your playthrough - normal save game imports would have imported the bug with them both leaving you. And now you're stuck having to decide who you'd rather have leave you.
I feel for you, its lame. I was trying to make a playthrough where the most possible companions weren't with me at the end of DA2, and I couldn't for the life of me understand why it wouldn't let me lose both Aveline and Fenris.
I don't blame you for wanting to dismiss the entire DA2 party. I would preffer to have in my party Lloyd the bartender, Mr. Welch, THAT GUY WITH THE SEMI-NUDE NIPPLE PIERCED ELVEN MALE (semi nude means he is wearing BOOTS) and every single guy here than the poor cast of useless crybabies in DA2... too bad you can't solo Varric (also he trends to die a lot).
Heck even all my world states feature this beautifull picture (i have never hated any elf... until i met Fenris)
but seems that what you achieved was a bug created by the infinite loopholes in DA2... so this time (unlike the entire DA2 game) "choices matters" and you have to choose to keep Aveline or keep Fenris... personally i would suggest you to keep Aveline, even if she was a golem like tank with "useless romantic" trait she was not a... "stereotype cheerleader captain" like Fenris (the word i planned to use would get me banned from BSN)
Yeah, this happened to me on my evil playthrough to. Should definitely be an option.
Also I went round my friends house to try out the new Call of Duty, Fenris voices a main character in the campaign who's named after his voice actor, Gideon Emery. For some reason it got me hyped to see him in DA:I, the guy has great range.
Okay, look. I was roleplaying as an aggressive-option mage who always went pro-Mage.
As a result of my pro-Mage tendencies combined with being a jerk, Fenris didn't like me much. I helped him kill the slaver, he still didn't like me much. I tried to give him a sword as a gift, he rejected it, I said something along the lines of "Fine, screw you". We didn't get on.
Aveline didn't like me much either, because of my choosing the aggressive dialogue options all the time. Also I didn't have time to hold her hand and set her up with her potential boyfriend, because I didn't care about such things.
So when it came to the end, both of them left me. This occurred through natural gameplay. I didn't metagame to achieve an unusual outcome just so I could cause a fuss. I didn't try to exploit any loopholes. I was on 360, without any mods. I didn't set out to alienate as many followers as possible. I just played the game in character.
This isn't a topic complaining "Waa Waa, why can't I kill everybody?", nor crying "DA2 sucks I want to kill them all, Origins party was teh best!". This wasn't out of any hate for the characters in question, and I'm not being petty - so anybody who wants to go down the path of pretending like that's what this was about can kindly just shut up.
The purpose of my post was that I was genuinely astonished yesterday when it wouldn't let me enter this choice into the Keep, because the scenario played out in the game PERFECTLY. It wasn't weird, or glitchy, or contradictory as though I'd exploited some bug. Everything flowed, everything made sense, there was no reason for it not to happen, so until yesterday I had no inkling that this was apparently "impossible". Except clearly it isn't. Are you telling me that for anybody else who played my not-especially-out-of-the-ordinary character (aggressive pro-mage mage) this never happened?
If the game had decided I needed a Warrior in my party (even though Carver was still around and kicking) for the last section, I'd be fine. I'm slightly less fine with the Keep saying "Yeah, we let you play without a warrior but in hindsight we wish you'd had one, so we're retconning what happened to you".
Finally, for anybody doubting how easy and outright NORMAL it was for this to happen, I replayed from an earlier save and took video. Can you see any indications in there that all was not right, and I'd broken my story for future use? Because I can't.
Also yes, it's on casual so I could speed through it, and yes that ogre at the docks still nearly wiped me out because I haven't played the game in ages and I suck so shut up
For your sake I hope they fix it for you. And for logic's sake too, for that matter. From a story standpoint, it makes no sense that Aveline or Fenris would be like, "well, I really disagree with you, this goes completely against what I stand for, but I'll stay with you just so you have a warrior around."
Why bother recruiting him then, just to kill out of hate? Seems like a petty reason to me.
I didn't hated him at first... just when i tried to get along with him, same with the others. How could i know he would be such a b... or could you know it before recruiting him?
BTW I think that the best party we had was in DAA not in DAO but... totally unrelated
Finally, sorry it was not my intention, i just finished DA2 once and rejected doing it... but if it was a normal scenario... had you tried setting Hawke's personality to aggressive? if so, it's a bug that needs to be feedbacked by the form in the keep
For your sake I hope they fix it for you. And for logic's sake too, for that matter. From a story standpoint, it makes no sense that Aveline or Fenris would be like, "well, I really disagree with you, this goes completely against what I stand for, but I'll stay with you just so you have a warrior around."
Well, it's my third worldstate, so they have quite a while to change it while I play through Inquisition with my first two games!
I doubt they will though.
So now I don't know which option to pick -
i) Acknowledge what happened to Fenris, but pretend like Aveline never left and is still on good terms with Hawke.
ii) Acknowledge what happened with Aveline, but pretend like Fenris is buddies with the rampant pro-mage Hawke.
Both of my other playthroughs have both of them staying with Hawke, so it's not like I can just pick the one I haven't done before. They're both new
Well, it's my third worldstate, so they have quite a while to change it while I play through Inquisition with my first two games!
I doubt they will though.
So now I don't know which option to pick -
i) Acknowledge what happened to Fenris, but pretend like Aveline never left and is still on good terms with Hawke.
ii) Acknowledge what happened with Aveline, but pretend like Fenris is buddies with the rampant pro-mage Hawke.
Both of my other playthroughs have both of them staying with Hawke, so it's not like I can just pick the one I haven't done before. They're both new
In my evil playthrough, Aveline hated me, but since I went pro-templar, I guess that's why she stuck around? Thus, none of my Keep choices actually give an indication that she hates me. So if you go with Aveline staying, you'll at least have one other person in the same boat as "why is she talking so fondly of Hawke?"
Edit - tho I did retcon in not marrying her to Donnic, as a way to sort of indicate that...maybe?
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