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So this is kind of a bummer. Intelligent life in the Universe may be extremely rare because of the rate of gamma bursts, and the probability that they hit a planet. Intelligent life may only be possible on the outer edge of a galaxy where life has a chance to evolve long enough without being wiped out by a gamma burst every billion years.
 
This information is summarized in an article in the Economist:
http://www.economist...erned-frequency

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Whether the constant pressing of the evolutionary reset button suggested by the calculation Dr Piran and Dr Jimenez have made really is the explanation for humanity’s lack of contact with alien civilisations is, of course, a matter of speculation. But their work does indicate that the older the universe gets, the friendlier it becomes towards life. They reckon that, before about 5 billion years ago, GRBs were so frequent that life would have struggled to establish a foothold anywhere in the cosmos. If astronomers ever do discover life on another planet, then, it is unlikely to be much older than life on Earth itself.



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Website: http://arxiv.org/abs/1409.2506
PDF: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1409.2506v1.pdf

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What if the gamma bursts...will lead to the creation of more Hulks?

HULKS IN SPACE!!!!
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Psh some gamma bursts never hurt anything.



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in an infinite universe, anything considered rare should be in profound quantities. 1% of infinity is still infinity. I ask you to take this into account and consider how our current understanding of what "life" is as limited. We dont know whats out there. For all we know, theres a planet full of plant people who bathe in gamma bursts.



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in an infinite universe, anything considered rare should be in profound quantities. 1% of infinity is still infinity. I ask you to take this into account and consider how our current understanding of what "life" is as limited. We dont know whats out there. For all we know, theres a planet full of plant people who bathe in gamma bursts.

The universe is finite.

 

An unquantifiable finite, but still finite.

 

And what is classified as the Kingdom Plantae would not be capable of surviving the energy from a gamma burst, as it destroys DNA.


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What if the gamma bursts...will lead to the creation of more Hulks?

HULKS IN SPACE!!!!

 

I think you mean Planet Hulk.



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I don't think humans do know or will ever know that much about the universe beyond theories.


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So this is kind of a bummer. Intelligent life in the Universe may be extremely rare because of the rate of gamma bursts, and the probability that they hit a planet. Intelligent life may only be possible on the outer edge of a galaxy where life has a chance to evolve long enough without being wiped out by a gamma burst every billion years.
 

 

I call it Bull. Even by Earth standards it takes less than 1 billion years to create intelligent life. And after 50000 years one intelligent species can achieve unbelievable technology.

Every billion years? lol


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I don't think humans do know or will ever know that much about the universe beyond theories.

 

Also this.

 

What if mainstream interpretation of Evolution is wrong?

What if the Universe is infinite, not in cosmic spheres?

What if in certain parts of the universe there is alternative laws of physics?

 

Yet, we claim to know answers to everything.


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The universe is big and if quantum physicists are to be believed, quite happy with doing stuff most people couldn't wrap their heads around if they tried to. Trying to formulate such absolutes from our knowledge pool, which is limited by our own standards and unquantifiably limited by relation to the entire universe, is an exercise in futility.

 

 

Might aswell continue trying to prove whether Gods exist or don't. Has about the same practical value too.


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Even by Earth standards it takes less than 1 billion years to create intelligent life.
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Wikipedia lists the following timeline for life on Earth:
- for the last 3.6 billion years, simple cells (prokaryotes);
- for the last 3.4 billion years, cyanobacteria performing photosynthesis;
- for the last 2 billion years, complex cells (eukaryotes);
- for the last 1.2 billion years, eukaryotes which sexually reproduce
- for the last 1 billion years, multicellular life;
- for the last 600 million years, simple animals;

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Even if it was just the fringes of galaxies that produced life that would still be a massive number of planets. Recent study suggests that half of all star stars are extra-galactic anyway, so there's even more candidates for life.
 

What if mainstream interpretation of Evolution is wrong?
What if the Universe is infinite, not in cosmic spheres?
What if in certain parts of the universe there is alternative laws of physics?
 
Yet, we claim to know answers to everything.


We don't claim to know answers to everything. What we do claim is that the entire observable universe appears to obey the laws of physics as we know them on this planet. Given that the entire observable universe in less than a small fraction of 1%, that may not mean much.
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aye but wat if deres alien lyfe dat can use dere buttchek as a shield frum da gamma burs den use da energy to power da blender n mak delicius fruit smoothie tbh


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The universe is finite.

 

An unquantifiable finite, but still finite.

 

And what is classified as the Kingdom Plantae would not be capable of surviving the energy from a gamma burst, as it destroys DNA.

then how do you explain the moon?! You cant explain that!



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then how do you explain the moon?! You cant explain that!

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Where's KingofSpaghetti when you need him?

Ruling over Spaghetti. Keeping your noodles in check is important and no easy feat for anyone, even a king. 



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then how do you explain the moon?! You cant explain that!

The wandering planet Thyia smashed into Earth during it's developing phase, knocking a large amount of molten rock and debris away from Earth, over time, the debris returned to Earth or collected in orbit around it, thus creating the Moon.

 

This is reinforced by similar deposits in Lunar regolith and how Earth has an iron and nickel core.

 

I am always sciencing.

 

Always.



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Where's KingofSpaghetti when you need him?

 

Not in this thread. Disturbing lack of Nazi-Alien crossover theories for him to be interested.



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Why do I have the feeling that the scientists in question have adopted the philosophy below?
 

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It seems to me that they are making speculation based on poor research. First we have Brian Co*k saying "no aliens exist because I'm God and I know all there is to know, do not question me!!11" and now we have these scientists making similar statements.
 
I'll quote Einstein on this matter, "The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books—-a mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects."
 
Yet we have some scientists making absolute statements when we're still children to the universe (and always will be). We haven't even ventured past our solar system and yet we have some scientists telling us where the universe ends and that there's no life elsewhere. No scientist even understands the origin of life yet to be making these claims either.
 
When it comes to scientific claims, empirical evidence is required and this lacks that. The reason no alien species have visited us could be because of the vast distance required just to reach the next solar system. According to estimates, it will take The Voyager spacecraft 80,000 years just to reach the next solar system and it's travelling at 37,000 miles per hour. We have no reason to believe light speed travel or FTL travel is possible (current knowledge says it's impossible) and if this is true then other civilizations will have spacecraft that will take tens of thousands of years just to reach the nearest star to their's.

 

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Any intelligent space-faring species with below light speed travel wouldn't even attempt a journey to the nearest star to their own considering they should know the estimate journey time. By the time they reach the next star, entire family generations would have passed, the species would have evolved for God's sake and what reason would they have to make such a journey unless their star is dying? We're near the youngest part of the solar system, any homeless alien species searching for a new solar system is nowhere near us seeing as the stars surrounding us are relatively young still. No alien species in our surrounding solar systems have a reason to attempt a journey to another star, let alone ours.
 
If light speed is possible and the journey time between nearby stars is a few years then we still have no reason to believe aliens would visit us. Any civilizations that exist in nearby solar systems will surely be near our age and not advanced enough either to have developed light travel. Nearer to the galactic centre (where older civilizations could be) is 28,000 light years away so any space-faring species there with light travel would still take a long time reaching us and perhaps wouldn't even bother, there's plenty of planets to inhabit/harvest etc around themselves, again, they wouldn't have reason to travel to our part the galaxy if they can light speed travel to each star around them in a few years and there's apparently around 300 billion stars in this galaxy (so think billions around the centre). You'd have to be a really thick alien species who has access to light travel to think "let's stop exploring the stars near us and go right deep to this random part of the galaxy 10-20,000 light years away and check it out! Numerous generations would have passed by then and we won't be alive when our great descendants reach this part of the galaxy but **** it, let's do it anyway!" 
 
Even with a hypothetical cryogenic freezing machine that can make a frozen person immortal until they wake, what person would do such a journey where when they reach their destination, thousands of years would have passed and their own civilization could have long fallen? Besides, with so many stars (billions) and a low statistics for habitable planets, it makes sense that we won't encounter aliens for a long time (and perhaps we never will either). There's apparently around 300 billion stars in this galaxy (and therefore just as many solar systems) and apparently only a small percentage harbour life and have planets with the right atmosphere for life to live on so considering this speculation, it makes sense that we haven't encountered other life yet. For all we know, this galaxy might only harbour a couple of thousand of space-faring species and with billions of stars, that's a very low percentage still and makes meeting any alien species a very low chance.
 
tl;dr
 
We are not omniscient and our current knowledge of this universe and our own galaxy is too small to be making absolute claims. My argument above (which I don't hold to be factual, I'm simply going on some speculation too along with statistics from actual reputable scientists) also explains why it makes sense that we haven't encountered any alien species. Many astrobiologists who are good mathematicians also have said pretty much the same in the past too. The universe is a giant place and ever expanding, if life exists on this planet then I'm certain it can exist elsewhere too.

 

 

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The universe is finite?

 

How so? Have you found the edge of the universe? No one has.

 

Oh and why can't a life form exist using other methods that are not carbon based?



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I agree. I feel like we have explored the universe thoroughly to make such a bold claim.



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The Devlish Redhead

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I agree. I feel like we have explored the universe thoroughly to make such a bold claim.

I just want to see one proof, however small that the universe is finite.



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I just want to see one proof, however small that the universe is finite.

 

I was being sarcastic. :P

 

In regards to your question, I guess the answer depends on what you call 'the universe.'