Some people still believe that...
It makes me sad.
Being the center of universe is like being Coruscant in Star Wars.
Just imagine when we figure out a way to not only root out such ignorance, but make science and technology second nature to our education system?
We can only get better from here.
We all know where that leads. Gulags and mass graves, proving that things indeed don't get better.
Honestly I'd bet that 90% of the flat-earth types are just doing it to be "ironic" hipster morons.
I was referring to the geocentric model of the universe. For many centuries most people believed the sun, the planets, and all the stars in the night sky were revolving around the Earth.
I'm putting this out there.
We won't see aliens first.
We will see their technology first.
What did we send to Mars?
Robot drones.
Because it wasn't viable to try with people first.
Earth isn't a sphere either. Both sides suck and must be thrown into Gladiators Arena!
There's a branch of scifi authors that believe that aliens would send out intelligent machines designed to wipe out any life they find just to remove competition before they even meet them.
Sounds familiar. 
Nonsense.The something may "precede" time, as in something -> time.
In that case, it has indeed existed for an infinite period of time, without having existed for an infinite period of time.
What do you mean by "always"?
If always means at all times, then it certainly has always been.
There is no time until there is a universe. And if there is no time then no reference to it can be made with regards to the "beginning" of the universe. A beginning requires time, that is, it requires a point in time both before and after.
There is no point in time before the beginning.
The beginning is not the beginning.
So if time begun with the universe then it is finite. Time itself had a beginning and there was a "before" before The Big Bang. Your idea is philosophical but the whole point in science is that if the universe is not eternal then it had a beginning and will possibly have an end. Perhaps there is a "time" that exists beyond the universe, perhaps there are laws beyond our own dimension and universe, laws and measurements that we couldn't comprehend, we can never know.
If "beyond the universe" is "timeless", then time itself, would be something that came into existence still. Essentially there could be "time" before time. Your idea should really mean that the universe is eternal but we know that's not the case so there's something before "time" that explains why the universe hasn't just always been here.
From the physicist's standpoint anyway, the universe had something we can simply call a beginning.
Some people still believe that...
It makes me sad.
If you ask me, conspiracy theories which reject historical events (i.e holocaust denial) are far more damaging than the crack-pot theories of a fringe group relating to cosmology that no scientist takes seriously.
Some people still believe that...
It makes me sad.
well some people still believe the climate change situation isnt real and it took humanity 400years to cure scurvey even though someone figured out the cure was Lime previous.
Well, we still have large segments of the population arguing that we should be featuring in schools the idea that humans rode around on the back of dinosaurs just five thousand years ago and that the reason they went extinct was that a man couldn't fit them on his boat.well some people still believe the climate change situation isnt real and it took humanity 400years to cure scurvey even though someone figured out the cure was Lime previous.
There's no problem with people who believe in the geocentric model, it's not like they're harming people, however stupid their "theory" is. Some people still believe in Fred's Hoyle's widely outdated "steady state" theory of the universe and most of the evidence is against that now too but it's hardly worth hating on them. I suppose the SS theory has some scientific merit but it's still pretty much been refuted. The Cosmic Background Explorer has pretty much proven The Big Bang theory, not just redshift.
Some people don't care for science altogether. Speak to some common people, some of them don't even know the "structure" of the universe. I've spoken to some people who thought that the solar system was all that there was of this universe (God knows what they thought about the stars) and others who don't even know what a "galaxy" is or that there's billions of them. Worst still, these people find the universe boring and haven't heard of things like nebulas or the life cycle of a star. There's a lot of ignorant people when it comes to science but they simply think about their life on this earth rather than what's beyond this earth which is understandable, it's not any living person today will be exploring the far reaches of space.At for the flat-earth "theory" that one simply makes me laugh. It's a conspiracy theory that says the world's governments are guarding the "edges" of the earth and kill anyone who ventures too far past a border or something. I forgot their "theory" about how water remains on the earth but it's blood hilarious. So long as it remains a conspiracy theory and nothing being taught in school then they are free to believe it as far as I'm concerned.
If you ask me, conspiracy theories which reject historical events (i.e holocaust denial) are far more damaging than the crack-pot theories of a fringe group relating to cosmology that no scientist takes seriously.
It's all damaging but to different degrees.
What makes me sad is that if any of it is taught to young children it then becomes harder to eliminate the belief. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is also up for debate.
The Flat-Earth society is amusing and at the same time sad. I shall never understand the draw that conspiracy theories have to people.
well some people still believe the climate change situation isnt real and it took humanity 400years to cure scurvey even though someone figured out the cure was Lime previous.
That along with temporal discounting make it highly unlikely that anything will be done regarding it.
wtf is tempora disscounting?
wtf is tempora disscounting?
Ah yes, I forgot I explained that in a PM to another member awhile back. It's something I ran a psychology experiment on for one of my lab classes.
Basically, temporal discounting is basically the way in which we evaluate situations depending on when they will occur. As an example, if a person would value receiving $100 in 6 hours more than they would value receiving $100000000 in 15 years.
So in the case of the environment since the effects will be felt 10+ years or so down the line people will give it less importance than something that happens sooner.
Some people don't care for science altogether. Speak to some common people, some of them don't even know the "structure" of the universe. I've spoken to some people who thought that the solar system was all that there was of this universe (God knows what they thought about the stars) and others who don't even know what a "galaxy" is or that there's billions of them. Worst still, these people find the universe boring and haven't heard of things like nebulas or the life cycle of a star. There's a lot of ignorant people when it comes to science but they simply think about their life on this earth rather than what's beyond this earth which is understandable, it's not any living person today will be exploring the far reaches of space.
Even science helps their life on Earth, the common troglodyte who walks the streets wouldn't know the real difference between a plant and a mushroom. Overall, STEM field education is really weak.
Ah yes, I forgot I explained that in a PM to another member awhile back. It's something I ran a psychology experiment on for one of my lab classes.
Basically, temporal discounting is basically the way in which we evaluate situations depending on when they will occur. As an example, if a person would value receiving $100 in 6 hours more than they would value receiving $100000000 in 15 years.
So in the case of the environment since the effects will be felt 10+ years or so down the line people will give it less importance than something that happens sooner.
icic. its basically why im eating this fudge brownie now instead of thinking of having rockhard abs in 8 months.
Even science helps their life on Earth, the common troglodyte who walks the streets wouldn't know the real difference between a plant and a mushroom. Overall, STEM field education is really weak.
It's just that I thought science education in school covered at least some of the fundamental knowledge of science subjects from my own experience years ago but apparently there are 30+ yo's who don't know anything at all about any science subject which I find baffling. I'm no mathematician and I don't use it in my job but I still remember algebra and geometry (even if I now suck at them, I still remember what they are about and have some understanding of their function). It's like there's people walking around who have forgot what they were taught at school.
Same goes for history of one's own country. That's another subject people later seem to forget later in life. Granted, it's not essential for most jobs unless you're a historian but I still find it strange when someone forgets how their country was founded (or something as simple to remember like the Romans coming to Britain).
The Flat-Earth society is amusing and at the same time sad. I shall never understand the draw that conspiracy theories have to people.
Hipsterism perhaps?
well some people still believe the climate change situation isnt real and it took humanity 400years to cure scurvey even though someone figured out the cure was Lime previous.
I read that a millennium ago North Europe and Greenland were warm enough to flourish, then a small Ice Age happened and Greenland became deserted (from Viking descendants?) . And for a few hundred years the winters were too cold.
It's humerous to me that Christianity didn't adopt kosher food laws. "Let's trust farmers from thousands of years ago to have figured out cosmology, biology, physics and astronomy... but let's just ignore what they said about food. We're going to play up to these goat herders strengths, not their weaknesses."
Considering the times that was written a lot of that advice on "minor" things was good. For example eating shellfish back then probably meant a good chance of a painful death from some sickness or another. Physics and astronomy? They were working off the tools that they had and what observations they could make. Biology? When did they really go into biology?
I read that a millennium ago North Europe and Greenland were warm enough to flourish, then a small Ice Age happened and Greenland became deserted (from Viking descendants?) . And for a few hundred years the winters were too cold.
This is true. IIRC that "mini ice-age" was a set back for many parts of Europe and doomed whatever population was on Greenland at the time. Now apparently modern climate change means we should create some absurd system of regulation around "carbon credits" and "CO2 offsets". Repent your sinful CO2 producing ways and his holiness Al Gore the 1st shall forgive you! For a small fee of course...
Oddly enough the Flat Earth society still exists....... Strange world.
But then you have people who believe a man died, rose from the dead (not as a cyberman hehe) and then went up to heaven and forgave the whole human race but yet didn't do much to fix its ills.
I don't think we are allowed to have religious discussions on here so I won't say any more.. But I find that fascinating.
Oddly enough the Flat Earth society still exists....... Strange world.
FES was fun back when they actually debated as a means to satire the nonsensical conflict of creationism and science. Nowadays all they do is reply with "read the FAQ". I assume all the intelligent people left.
Hipsters. Like I said.
Hipsters. Like I said.
We must resist the "Hipster Invasion" at all costs!
Article from Professor Brian Cox
http://www.dailymail...ity-unique.html
That's kind of depressing.
On the other hand if we truly are alone in the universe does that mean we can loot and mine any new worlds we do find in the future?
All ours to do as we wish with?
Oddly enough the Flat Earth society still exists....... Strange world.
But then you have people who believe a man died, rose from the dead (not as a cyberman hehe) and then went up to heaven and forgave the whole human race but yet didn't do much to fix its ills.
I don't think we are allowed to have religious discussions on here so I won't say any more.. But I find that fascinating
Jesus still has more influence than any human and the name "Jesus Christ" and his teachings will still be spoken far into the future whether Christianity lives on or not, mark my words on that so he's certainly done more for society than the keyboard warriors from Reddit who seek to "erase him from history."
Thing is, I believe he was just an ordinary human too so that makes him all the more greater in my opinion, that 2,000 years later, he's still the world's most famous person and now worshipped by billions as God himself all the world over. That's pretty impressive for a humble Jewish carpenter from a little village called Nazareth if you ask me...or perhaps testament to the belief that there was something "divine" about him when he is able to exert such influence so many years later with so many people having personal experiences to tell but since I've never experienced any revelations personally, I shall continue (although open minded to the other aforementioned possibility) with the belief that he was just a pretty chill guy who taught about what God could possibly be and how to be at peace with the world and others.
An interesting religious verse from the Rigveda (a Hindu text) is this:
Who really knows, and who can swear,
How creation came, when or where!
Even gods came after creation’s day,
Who really knows, who can truly say
When and how did creation start?
Did He do it? Or did He not?
Only He, up there, knows, maybe;
Or perhaps, not even He.
-Rig Veda 10.129.1-7
And perhaps something to take into consideration that many questions of the universe will never be answered and that there may be many mysteries science will never explain. The Christian believes a man arose from the dead, the naturalist believes matter arose from nothing, what's the difference? One is called a miracle taken by faith and the other is magic dressed up as science. Both lack empirical evidence.
And then there are some things we must simply be agnostic to.
If this discussion on religion is kept civil and lite, I think the mods may allow it...hopefully, this is an interesting discussion that I'm enjoying.
Article from Professor Brian Cox
http://www.dailymail...ity-unique.html
That's kind of depressing.
And his belief should be taken as factual, why?
"There is only one advanced technological civilisation in this galaxy and there has only ever been one - and that's us. We are unique."
Since when did God resign from the job and get replaced by this muppet claiming omniscience? XD
It's strange to hear an ardent atheist talking that way too (or is he agnostic?) as it's normally an uber religious person who believes we are the only life in the universe although most find no reason to reject the existence of life elsewhere. Again, given the statistics, I think it's very likely life exists elsewhere and probably 0.01% likely that we are alone in this giant universe.
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