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[The Elder King]

Well he didn't do a very good job, did he? If he had acted on those doubts earlier it might have changed a lot of things but he was content to follow his orders and kill mages until Hawke was being threatened.

I did say he let his bias based on previous events (DAO) clouding his judgement.

He didn't have a change of heart. He just didn't want to kill Hawke, just "arrest him", for whatever reason (especially stupid for Hawke siding with Templars). 
He didn't protest against Annulment at all. And after how they intoduced him in Origins - he shouldn't anyway.

In tue templar route he said The situation was worse in Ferelden and The Circle was still saved. So yes, he didn't think it was necessary.
And people shouldn't expect him to be The same as in DAO and DA2. As Varric won't be The same in Da2, or Morrigan The same as in DAO. The writers don't like to write Recurring characters exactly as They were in the previous games.

[Knight of Dane]

It would be kinda boring if they didn't explore new developments in recurring characters. As much as I like Varric for being brodelicious, I was a big skeptic to his return because I feared that we'd just get to know the same guy (i prefer new characters) but it seems like he's a bit darker this time, which I hope is evident.

 

Although I wouldn't want him to go all "Anders" on us, it's nice to see some change.

[Vilegrim]

I did say he let his bias based on previous events (DAO) clouding his judgement. In tue templar route he said The situation was worse in Ferelden and The Circle was still saved. So yes, he didn't think it was necessary.
And people shouldn't expect him to be The same as in DAO and DA2. As Varric won't be The same in Da2, or Morrigan The same as in DAO. The writers don't like to write Recurring characters exactly as They were in the previous games.

 

 

it does however assume that we find his casual complicity with a plot to commit mass murder absolutely fine and want such a man any where near us, he should have been hung, as should all the templars in kirkwall, and I do not forgive him his involvement, nor do I want anything to do with him...but the rails say I have to, and with the religious terrorist lelliana, and the fanatic cass. 

[Scerene]

I'm not exactly a Cullen fan, but what did he do that was so wrong exactly? And why would The Inquisitor care? (Please don't let this be the epilogue slide that has already been dismissed as a rumour)

in my first playthrough of origins he went crazy and killed a mage, and there was something about people in the circle whispering both before and/or after about him being crazy/mentally unstable, then he escaped after murdering the mage, is that the epi slide you mean? because thats not a rumor.

[The Elder King]

it does however assume that we find his casual complicity with a plot to commit mass murder absolutely fine and want such a man any where near us, he should have been hung, as should all the templars in kirkwall, and I do not forgive him his involvement, nor do I want anything to do with him...but the rails say I have to, and with the religious terrorist lelliana, and the fanatic cass.

Sorry, but who made The assumption? Do you mean Bioware with putting him as an advisor?

[The Elder King]

in my first playthrough of origins he went crazy and killed a mage, and there was something about people in the circle whispering both before and/or after about him being crazy/mentally unstable, then he escaped after murdering the mage, is that the epi slide you mean? because thats not a rumor.

He didn't kill any mage in-game. The epilogue slide was retconnetted. He didn't escape, he was sent in another templar outpost.

[Vilegrim]

Sorry, but who made The assumption? Do you mean Bioware with putting him as an advisor?

 

 

yes, one that I absolutely have to use to play the game, just like I absolutly have to go see the chantry leadership...I am hearing a hell of alot of 'but thou must' so far.

[N7KnightSabre]

Seriously doubt it.  In the past I would've been one of the ones who hated Cullen, but he seemed to get to a tolerable level with me in DA:2. At least he listened to reason and if that trend continues, we'll be a'ight  .  I have faith in the writers.

 

But, I think the advisers are a no-kill policy due to the war table.  You can probably really p*ss them off though. If that's any consolation to you.

[The Elder King]

yes, one that I absolutely have to use to play the game, just like I absolutly have to go see the chantry leadership...I am hearing a hell of alot of 'but thou must' so far.

The fact that you're forced to do certain things doesn't mean you have to agree. I'm sure you can express your dislike and hate of Cullen and The Chantry.
Some people didn't like being forced in The Wardens by Duncan either.

[sylvanaerie]

Meh, Cullen has some of the better perks, one if which is the upgrade to Focus abilities.  So, I'll definitely be using him.

[Scerene]

He didn't kill any mage in-game. The epilogue slide was retconnetted. He didn't escape, he was sent in another templar outpost.

ah i figured they would backtrack on that, but he did in my origin game. When i first came across him in DA2 i was very surprised about how composed he was

[Burricho]

I remember reading (no source sorry) that advisers cannot leave or be killed.

[Vilegrim]

The fact that you're forced to do certain things doesn't mean you have to agree. I'm sure you can express your dislike and hate of Cullen and The Chantry.
Some people didn't like being forced in The Wardens by Duncan either.

 

 

The Wardens aren't a continent spanning engine that preaches death to the dalish,  mass produces submission, supports the oppressive system of nobility and the imprisonment of an entire class of people based on talents they where born with,  uses terrorists called the hand of the divine to murder those that oppose it, executes en mass any mage not only any mage that desires liberty, but their entire circle as well.  Big difference.

[Aunty Social]

it does however assume that we find his casual complicity with a plot to commit mass murder absolutely fine and want such a man any where near us, he should have been hung, as should all the templars in kirkwall, and I do not forgive him his involvement, nor do I want anything to do with him...but the rails say I have to, and with the religious terrorist lelliana, and the fanatic cass. 

 

You're confusing player knowledge with character knowledge.  Your character won't know anything about any of that except what they have heard through rumors.

[The Elder King]

ah i figured they would backtrack on that, but he did in my origin game. When i first came across him in DA2 i was very surprised about how composed he was

Well, one year passed after The Blight. In the Broken circle he was just freed from days or weeks of torture. If made sense (in my opinion) that he was more composed in DA2.

[Vilegrim]

You're confusing player knowledge with character knowledge.  Your character won't know anything about any of that except what they have heard through rumors.

 

 

No I the player find him monstrous, like being forced to work with a member of ISIS in a game, I the player do not find that idea comfortable.

[The Elder King]

The Wardens aren't a continent spanning engine that preaches death to the dalish,  mass produces submission, supports the oppressive system of nobility and the imprisonment of an entire class of people based on talents they where born with,  uses terrorists called the hand of the divine to murder those that oppose it, executes en mass any mage not only any mage that desires liberty, but their entire circle as well.  Big difference.

No, Wardens are people that will destroy entire villages for their cause. They'll sacrifice anything and anyone for stopping The Blight.
The fact that you don't have a problem with The Wardens doesn't mean others won't have problem with them, as others don't have much problem in talking with The Chantry or working with former members of The Chantry. The situation is exactly The same.

[l7986]

Teyrn Loghain can be recruited as your new military commander.

There

Would make a hell of a lot more sense to have a former general running your army then some shitty templar whose only qualification is getting himself trapped by Uldred.

[Vilegrim]

No, Wardens are people that will destroy entire villages for their cause. They'll sacrifice anything and anyone for stopping The Blight.
The fact that you don't have a problem with The Wardens doesn't mean others won't have problem with them, as others don't have much problem in talking with The Chantry or working with former members of The Chantry. The situation is exactly The same.

 

 

sacrifice to save the world from destruction: bad but possibly justifiable. Sacrifice because it furthers your own power and sadistic blood lust: the chantry in a nutshell, never justified

[The Elder King]

No I the player find him monstrous, like being forced to work with a member of ISIS in a game, I the player do not find that idea comfortable.

Your opinion is fine, but games forces us to do Something or wokeong with someone We loathe all The time. Some People hated that They were forced to work with an abomination and a blood mage in DA2.

[The Elder King]

sacrifice to save the world from destruction: bad but possibly justifiable. Sacrifice because it furthers your own power and sadistic blood lust: the chantry in a nutshell, never justified

In your opinion. Others might see The Chantry and The Wardens differently.
People have different opinion.
To be clear, I prefer to be a Warden then work for The Chantry. Though We don't know if we have to in DAI.

[Aunty Social]

No I the player find him monstrous, like being forced to work with a member of ISIS in a game, I the player do not find that idea comfortable.

 

Which again means your CHARACTER in game won't know anything about any of that, even if you the PLAYER find it to be so.  If you want your CHARACTER to hate these other NPC's then your character will have to converse with them.  Sadly, I think at this point pulling in real world terrorist groups as a comparison just underscores that you are in fact a troll, and are merely looking for reactions from people.  To you then, I say, have a great day.  Tah.

[sylvanaerie]

No I the player find him monstrous, like being forced to work with a member of ISIS in a game, I the player do not find that idea comfortable.

Well, you can always not buy the game if Cullen's presence is a deal breaker.

That'll teach Bioware!

[Scerene]

Well, one year passed after The Blight. In the Broken circle he was just freed from days or weeks of torture. If made sense (in my opinion) that he was more composed in DA2.

yea i figured that too, but it was just odd that he was so nice and accepting toward my mage hawke, and to be honest ive been finding it odd how people never take into account the weeks of torture he endured when bitching about his dislike for mages, as though they themselves would be all nicey nicey or "understanding" if they were tortured for weeks.

[The Elder King]

Would make a hell of a lot more sense to have a former general running your army then some shitty templar whose only qualification is getting himself trapped by Uldred.

Well, he managed to resist him. That is impressive.
It's already stated that The reason for his recruitment is What he did after DAI.
Loghain can be dead.