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[skjutengris]

life is getting food, from the supermarket, back in the day it was, prepare to go hunting often find nothing go hungry.

hunting bears seems like fun.

I am hungry.

[dlux]

So, DA2 action combat returns with even more action and the quest design is lackluster. At least at the beginning of the game.

 

That is pretty much the feeling I also had when checking out the previews. Kind of sucks, but oh well. I'm sure the game will still be fun, just not as awesome as it could have been.

[Ashevajak]

 

I've heard some people I trust saying the prologue was actually excellent, (ie, Gopher ) so...not sure.

 

Not gonna lie, I trust Gopher here over PC Gamer.

 

Also obligatory "lol peesee gamers, contradiction in terms" comment.  Because it aint a gaming forum without a good old console war (Note: I play exclusively on PC).

[berrieh]

They didn't mention "stalking quests" (where you overhear people and get a quest objective). They mentioned a quest where you find a letter that suggests bear hunting is a good idea. You then get an objective to kill some bears. Granted, it's not the most inspired quest design, but it's better than eavesdropping.

 

True. This doesn't sound like ME3 - it sounds like DAO. There were a bunch of notes you picked up that were side objectives in DAO. 

[Ieldra]

Yeah, I think what their gripe really comes down to is no origin story/spoken intro. Origins opened a lot more gently and DA2 at least gave you some info at the start. As we have known for ages this game starts at the breach which means no time for Cassandra to tell you all about the seekers, that doesn't mean she wont though. As i said when they revealed this, I had hoped it would start before the breach and we would get to see the events leading up to it but it doesn't. This is probably because they are going with the amnesia/unknown cause thing and so that wouldn't work with an intro like that. A spoken intro would also just seem odd if the breach happened like right after. 

 

So it's not ideal but it's how it is and I really don't think it's a big problem. 

I think it's rather that they want the game to open with something spectacular because they think that will hold people's attention better rather than a slow introduction into the scenario. Personally, I dislike that mindset and would prefer a slower intro, but with people's attention span being what it is these days (or so I'm told), they're probably right.

 

 

 

[Nohvarr]

It's getting fairly boring to hear the same crap every time a review/preview dares to include some criticism. People desperately trying to find any reason, no matter how petty, to disregard legitimate views from previewers because they might actually mention the game isn't perfect, funny you never get the same opinions aimed at the previewers who fail to mention any negatives.

Actually you do, I was looking at Angry Joe's preview and the comments section was filled with people saying this game looked terrible despite Joe's positive preview.

[Heimdall]

Actually you do, I was looking at Angry Joe's preview and the comments section was filled with people saying this game looked terrible despite Joe's positive preview.

You mean YouTube comments? They say everything's terrible.

[Timate]

65/70% of youtube people on youtube are trolls and some people bash for the sake of bashing. Very few people give a honest thought about if a game is really good or not.

[Eledran]

Forming the Inquisition yourself would have been terribly unrealistic imo.

 

It seems much more likely to me that an existing movement would gain momentum through a gifted individual who rises up to lead it to a new purpose, than that a completely new concept would be introduced into a world in turmoil, with all factions somehow acknowleding it.

 

The real Spanish Inquisition wasn't formed by some random dude either, it was established by monarchs in power. After that it sort of went its own way (which was bad in that case).

 

Similarly it's unlikely that any new organisation can suddenly form in a mostly feudal world like the Dragon Age one.

 

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Overall I like what I'm hearing in the preview though.

[Saiphas85]

I listned to it last night and it was obvious they were trying to find faults with the game. One of the cons was that you could do pause, point and click ISO view like DAO, which it clearly has.

[RedIntifada]

I watched their video, the two guys couldnt even figure out how to use the Tactical Cam properly.

thus their review stated that you could only pause and give orders, but not stay in Tac Cam. LoL Baddies

My understanding is they were referring to the radial menu? Having played the demo at pax and played DA:O and DA2 on console where there was no tactical camera and pause and play all happened from the radial, it struck me as odd that you could issue orders like disengage from there (and I think use potions) but you couldn't actually issue attacks. It was where I would issue my more than 8 abilities from. Now I am sure I will get used to the tactical mode but using a radial does seem more convenient to issue single command instructions quickly.

[Ianamus]

I can't really take anything away from these previews. Dull fetch quests are in practically every RPG and I've played many MMO's in the past so am more than used to them, and I vastly prefered DA2's combat to origins, other than the randomly spawning enemies, so all of the comments about it being similar to DA2's don't particuarly both me.

[Eternal Phoenix]

PCGamer is a joke. They're still defending the flop that was TESO and they originally gave DA2 a great review so it's hard to take anything they say seriously. Their "journalism" is on par with the "journalism" of Kotaku.

 

I'll wait for a more reputable source before I begin to make any sort of judgement.

[Neuromancer]

If this is all the list they could come up with I am dissapointed. Pros and cons are extremely brief to the point that I could generalize these comments to just about anything.

[Medhia_Nox]

While I think it comes down to masking, or creativity, the "Fetch" quest is never leaving RPGs.

 

- Save princess

- Infiltrate castle

- Get 10 meats

- Stop the Blight

 

They're all derivative of "Fetch" quests... you were "Fetching" the Urn of Sacred Ashes so you could "fetch" Eamon for the Landsmeet... then off to "fetch" elves, mages and dwarves for the war against the archdaemon.

 

Hawke "Fetched" 50 gold to go on an expedition - then "Fetched" the Tome of Koslun or the Arishoks hide to make the Qunari leave - then Fetched... then you fetch bomb materials to allow Anders to become the main protagonist.

 

Yes - I understand that "get 10 meats" can be boring... it's also always totally optional.  That you "have" to complete it is not a failure of game design. 

 

This is so not a Con for me... or I'd hate RPGs.

[Itkovian]

So, DA2 action combat returns with even more action and the quest design is lackluster. At least at the beginning of the game.

 

That is pretty much the feeling I also had when checking out the previews. Kind of sucks, but oh well. I'm sure the game will still be fun, just not as awesome as it could have been.

 

See, I don't get the more action bit. The Tactical Camera mode is VASTLY improved over DAO, so the only way combat is "more action" is if you CHOOSE to play it in action mode. You don't want action? You don't want to hold a button to autoattack? Great! Use the Tactical mode, and you'll be fine.

 

It's like by giving the choice to play it more like an action RPG (even though at its core it's just as tactical as the previous games, as demonstrated by harder fights requiring tactical mode), they somehow corrupted the tactical gameplay, even though that tactical gameplay is improved (since now we have full control in tactical mode, get pathing and enemy status displays, and consoles get the tactical camera mode).

 

It's just... so weird and incorrect, and purely a problem of perception. The game isn't more action and less tactics, if anything it's the opposite, but simply by making "Action mode" a thing it makes people think they did away with the tactical aspects (even though they were actually improved). It's like people complaining about elevators in ME1, solely because they were not clearly labeled as loading screens (and if they had loading screens instead that took as long, they wouldn't have complained).

 

Hopefully this won't carry on once the full release is out... at least most previewers don't complain about that. But it's really annoying to see.

 

As for the quest design, keep in mind that they're only talking about the free-roaming open world quests. Beyond the prologue they never really got involved in the storyline quests. It's like saying DAO's quest design is weak, because you spent all your time in Lothering hunting bandits and killing bears.

[DuckTheSecond]

I don't care about fetch quests personally.

 

But when they said: "that's not what I expect from a Bioware game"... Just 

[azarhal]

 

But when they said: "that's not what I expect from a Bioware game"... Just 

 

He's probably from another universe or something...

[nutcrackr]

Am I the only one who has never heard the term "stalking quests" before?

[Kuse]

Watching that video made me cringe, it's pretty clear those guys have no idea what they are doing...not sure why this was even posted...

[Neuromancer]

IMHO bio ware needs to be much more careful who they let review.

This feels like an amateur at best review. If even.

[Slogbarg]

Timate

 

"those guys did not even do the proper research"

 

 

theacefes

 

"Yeah, I take everything those guys say with a grain of salt. Too many people reviewing currently that are coming into this game either with no knowledge of the Dragon Age setting, are still hung up over Baldur's Gate III never being made, or just got done with Skyrim and expect the same experience from DA:I."

 

 

Sorry but what research would that be and why would it all of a sudden allow them to see Inquisition in a more favorable light?

 

And creating a stand-alone topic for the impressions of one of the absolute worst gaming magazines out there, was necessary... why exactly?

 

I have not kept up to date with PCGamer but what exactly makes them any worse than any other gaming media publication? The fact they are giving Inquisition a less than favorable first impression?

[Kuse]

Timate

 

"those guys did not even do the proper research"

 

 

theacefes

 

"Yeah, I take everything those guys say with a grain of salt. Too many people reviewing currently that are coming into this game either with no knowledge of the Dragon Age setting, are still hung up over Baldur's Gate III never being made, or just got done with Skyrim and expect the same experience from DA:I."

 

 

Sorry but what research would that be and why would it all of a sudden allow them to see Inquisition in a more favorable light?

 

 

I have not kept up to date with PCGamer but what exactly makes them any worse than any other gaming media publication? The fact they are giving Inquisition a less than favorable first impression?

 

I think it's how oblivious they are to Dragon Age mechanics and their thought process, it's like they didn't take the time to actually look into the game and give it proper thought. They only looked at the surface and didn't go digging to see if it's something they missed...

[aeoncs]

I have not kept up to date with PCGamer but what exactly makes them any worse than any other gaming media publication? The fact they are giving Inquisition a less than favorable first impression?

 

No, the fact that 90% of their reviews are little more than half-assed ramblings. Seriously, a good deal of their articles are shorter, more meaningless and less consistent than most of my homework during middle school and I delivered a whole lot of bullsh*t back then.