64 ответов в этой теме

[veeia]

Before the ISS (that video that plays at the beginning), I would have said that the Keep is alienating and confusing to people who are casual DA fans, but I think that does a really great job of walking you through the main decisions. And if you can't remember the smaller ones, why do you care if you get the exact right ones from your PT? 

 

ISS & then heading to the companion pages to set their romances/friendship things should be easy enough for people who are not interested in the tiny details of their save files.

 

It sucks that they can't find a way to import the save data, but I'd rather choose things in the Keep than them just declaring a default world state and we all have to deal with it. 

[Darth Krytie]

I'd also like to add here to the OP: There are choices in the Keep that weren't flagged to import from DA:O to DA:2. So, if DAI or any future game wanted to callback to earlier choices made in Origins, it'd have to stick to the ones they've chosen to flag during the import process. Same for whatever choices you made in DA2. It'd have to be a choice flagged to whatever potential import they'd make. It's very limiting. This way, if a future game needs to reference a decision you made they haven't previously, they just need to update the Keep. You can make your selection and boom. All ready to go.

[Fizzie Panda]

If you're too lazy to just input the plot points manually then that's just... idk what it is.

 

some of them about a year ( I think)

Yeah no kidding

[FaWa]

This is so much better than importing

HOWEVER 

The syncing and all that is currently a hot mess. 

[ziloe]

What on earth are you going on about? Dude, the fact that you have an account to make this commentary, means you already have an account to sign up for the Keep with. Then you choose the options within, which shouldn't take you more then an hour, and send it off. I mean seriously, it's still in beta. Inquisition is not even released yet. When Inquisition is out and you sign into your said account, it will acknowledge it. There's nothing to be confused about, so stop being so whiny. The save transfer was broken, and the fact that people had to physically change it themselves, was a huge problem that no one should have to deal with. The Keep did us a favour. They didn't have to do anything.

[Fizzie Panda]

What on earth are you going on about? Dude, the fact that you have an account to make this commentary, means you already have an account to sign up for the Keep with. Then you choose the options within, which shouldn't take you more then an hour, and send it off. I mean seriously, it's still in beta. Inquisition is not even released yet. When Inquisition is out and you sign into your said account, it will acknowledge it. There's nothing to be confused about, so stop being so whiny. The save transfer was broken, and the fact that people had to physically change it themselves, was a huge problem that no one should have to deal with. The Keep did us a favour. They didn't have to do anything.

Exactly, they didn't have to include a save-import option at all, it's so buggy anyway and yet they thought of an efficient and fun way to improve past methods.

[frylock23]

It took me an evening to make about five world states, and when I say evening, I mean a couple hours at most. That's with me not having played some of the DLC and having to do the necessary research to catch myself up on what it means, so I could make informed decisions.

 

I would far rather have The Keep than a Zevran who forgets that he's supposed to the love of the Warden's life or any of the other bugs import files were known to have. And since my import files have traveled across about three hard drives now ... they are pretty chancy. I know my ME saves need some selected playing in various areas just to get them caught up every time I have to migrate those files from hard drive to hard drive. The Keep should be much easier.

[Undead Han]

The biggest flaw with the Keep, in my opinion, is that it does not allow you to rename characters. Providing a rename feature would sidestep some of the problems with characters not being recognized. Just rename the character and reselect their choices. Problem solved. Unfortunately without a rename feature you are forced into using a character who is not your own.

[AresKeith]

The biggest flaw with the Keep, in my opinion, is that it does not allow you to rename characters. Providing a rename feature would sidestep some of the problems with characters not being recognized. Just rename the character and reselect their choices. Problem solved. Unfortunately without a rename feature you are forced into using a character who is not your own.

 

I remember hearing that they was looking into it 

[Myrmidon37]

The biggest flaw with the Keep, in my opinion, is that it does not allow you to rename characters. Providing a rename feature would sidestep some of the problems with characters not being recognized. Just rename the character and reselect their choices. Problem solved. Unfortunately without a rename feature you are forced into using a character who is not your own.

That right there is my main issue as well. I lost my saves from Dragon Age II, and went ahead made a Keep World State. But, I really would like the ability to take a default hero to make a custom hero, and name him as I choose. That feature, and the ability to delete heroes are the only gripes I have right now with the Keep.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

 

 

 

Lets use this example again. Say I did indeed just want to change this one thing. In order to do that, I have to have both DA:O and DA2 registered on the same BSN-linked Origin account, have both characters working and ready to go, start the Keep and reconstruct every decision I've made in the entire game except for that one, then remember and reconstruct every decision I made in DA2.

 

 

I just wanted to answer this. You don't need either game registered at all to use the keep.  You're reaching pretty far to find something you don't like about this feature.

 

If they want us to use Origin all they need to do is make their games exclusive to Origin, which obviously they've already done, keep or no keep.

 

 

That said, Our profiles have an xml file uploaded for DAO at least, that lists out all our major changes. I could write a program with not too much trouble, to identify most of the key decisions in the XML file. I'm not sure if they tried this, and if not, why not. It would have been a handy feature to get us started, rather than having to set the same decisions over and over.

 

Also, another nice feature would be a button to preselect certain decisions, specifically the binary decisions that say either 'did not do this' or 'did do this'. Yes, I found Orta's documents. Each and every time.

 

Maybe another button to preset default 'good' vs 'evil' decisions. We would ahve less to tweak then.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

The biggest flaw with the Keep, in my opinion, is that it does not allow you to rename characters. Providing a rename feature would sidestep some of the problems with characters not being recognized. Just rename the character and reselect their choices. Problem solved. Unfortunately without a rename feature you are forced into using a character who is not your own.

 

I'd like this too. Many of my characters used the default name, because I lack imagination.. heh. When they are mixed in with the default set of characters I don't know which is which.

[Joran Anduril]

I'd like this too. Many of my characters used the default name, because I lack imagination.. heh. When they are mixed in with the default set of characters I don't know which is which.

 

There is an option to only show custom heroes, in the hero selection screen. 

[Helios969]

The biggest flaw with the Keep, in my opinion, is that it does not allow you to rename characters. Providing a rename feature would sidestep some of the problems with characters not being recognized. Just rename the character and reselect their choices. Problem solved. Unfortunately without a rename feature you are forced into using a character who is not your own.

I'd like that feature as well, however, it really will have zero impact on DAI.  You're custom name will never be acknowledged in-game and even the portrait is irrelevant as you will not see your Warden and you're Hawke will have to be recreated with the DAI custom character generator anyway.

 

OP, as long as you make the appropriate Keep decisions to recreate your worldstate you'll be golden.  When I first started it was way more buggy than it is now and it took me like 2 hours to create half a dozen worldstates.  I thought it was exceptionally easy to utilize.  I personally like this way more than an import function simply because I've lost a ton of DAO and DA2 characters (I'm 4 computers removed from DAO!)  This allows me to try out every single variable in DAI without having to replay every single variable in DAO and DA2 (which would be exhausting) to generate the appropriate DAI response.  A million times better IMO.

[AlanC9]

That may seem rather harsh, but really what is the benefit of jumping through all the (many) hoops to "sync" my games with my Origin profile? Both the Warden and Hawke's appearances are not saved and every single decision you've made in both games has to be input manually (if you can even remember them). So if the characters are not imported, and the choices and quests are not imported, and the major events that are supposed influence the game's world are not imported, why on earth even bother?

So don't sync. I wouldn't have bothered myself if it hadn't worked automatically for me.

Now all of this wouldn't matter as much to me were it not a Bioware game. The joy of series like DA or Mass Effect though is feeling you have some influence over the game's world and plot, as if your story is unique to you. Without the characters I've created and played as, and the major choices I've made, why even bother?

This is a bit silly. The whole point of the Keep is to give you control over the game's world and plot. It's OK to whine about having to exercise that control manually, but complaining that you don't have that control at all is nonsense, and you know it.

[AlanC9]

That said, Our profiles have an xml file uploaded for DAO at least, that lists out all our major changes. I could write a program with not too much trouble, to identify most of the key decisions in the XML file. I'm not sure if they tried this, and if not, why not. It would have been a handy feature to get us started, rather than having to set the same decisions over and over.
 

My guess is that they didn't store the data in a way that would let them break out which events happened in a particular playthrough. Kind of a dumb way to do it, but if they had been smart about this stuff the save files wouldn't be as buggy as they are.

[Sanunes]

My guess is that they didn't store the data in a way that would let them break out which events happened in a particular playthrough. Kind of a dumb way to do it, but if they had been smart about this stuff the save files wouldn't be as buggy as they are.

 

My problem with this statement is if they weren't planning imports for Dragon Age why is it a "dumb way to do it"? Not to mention even Mass Effect has buggy issues with importing data such as Conrad Verner is messed up in Mass Effect 2.  That is why I think something like The Keep is a better solution then importing directly for the data will be a much cleaner import with much less room for issues.

 

As far as directly importing to The Keep, anyone using a 360 probably wouldn't be able to upload it for Microsoft has a very tight restriction on what a developer can do with a player's save files, for they are unable to do anything with those save files outside of a game so that means they would have to make a downloadable program to upload that data and even if that doesn't break that information I wonder if they could even upload that data to The Keep.

[AlanC9]

My problem with this statement is if they weren't planning imports for Dragon Age why is it a "dumb way to do it"? Not to mention even Mass Effect has buggy issues with importing data such as Conrad Verner is messed up in Mass Effect 2.  That is why I think something like The Keep is a better solution then importing directly for the data will be a much cleaner import with much less room for issues.

Well, I don't think it's a best practice to throw away valuable data because you have no plan to use it right this minute. OTOH, we agree that this XML data wasn't going to be any better than the savegame data, so even if Bio did still have it and could use it to populate the Keep, we'd still have to manually edit a bunch of stuff anyway. And of course, a lot of valuable stuff probably never got into the XML in the first place, so that would need manual intervention too. So, yeah, I can see a case for Bio having the theoretical capability to populate our Keep profiles from our tracking data, but nevertheless deciding that we'd be better off manually handling everything, rather than having some stuff automatic and other stuff undefined or outright wrong.

[Degs29]

The Keep is an imperfect solution to a mistake they made years ago.  You can't blame the solution for past failings! 

 

I love the keep.  Yes, it's sometimes confusing to navigate as a newbie and some of the minor choices could have used more context to refresh your memory.  But ultimately it succeeds at what it's trying to accomplish. 

 

I, like you, am a casual player of Dragon Age games.  And I, like you, am a hardcore player of Mass Effect games.  But unlike you, the more I see of DA:I, the more excited I get!

[Natureguy85]

There is nothing wrong with including shortcuts because I don't have to use them if I don't want to, but these suggestions to auto-selecting groups of choices sound really boring. I enjoyed going through the keep to see what was there and I really like the art style. I keep checking only to be slightly disappointed when I see nothing new, even though I know they are not going to be making sweeping changes at this point. I want more to play with, not less.

 

My problem with this statement is if they weren't planning imports for Dragon Age why is it a "dumb way to do it"? Not to mention even Mass Effect has buggy issues with importing data such as Conrad Verner is messed up in Mass Effect 2.  That is why I think something like The Keep is a better solution then importing directly for the data will be a much cleaner import with much less room for issues.

 

As far as directly importing to The Keep, anyone using a 360 probably wouldn't be able to upload it for Microsoft has a very tight restriction on what a developer can do with a player's save files, for they are unable to do anything with those save files outside of a game so that means they would have to make a downloadable program to upload that data and even if that doesn't break that information I wonder if they could even upload that data to The Keep.

 

Liar. I saw you point a gun at Conrad Verner. He's right!

[Kantr]

The keep is a perfect solution to an old problem that could never be fixed. Plus console owners on the current gen dont need to worry about not having their old saves

[Jedi Master of Orion]

There is nothing wrong with including shortcuts because I don't have to use them if I don't want to, but these suggestions to auto-selecting groups of choices sound really boring. I enjoyed going through the keep to see what was there and I really like the art style. I keep checking only to be slightly disappointed when I see nothing new, even though I know they are not going to be making sweeping changes at this point. I want more to play with, not less.

 

 

Liar. I saw you point a gun at Conrad Verner. He's right!

 

"I'm sorry I said you pointed a gun at me when you didn't actually do it. I was under a lot of stress!"

[Natureguy85]

"I'm sorry I said you pointed a gun at me when you didn't actually do it. I was under a lot of stress!"

He's just making you feel better because he knows that you're the one under a lot of stress. You gun-pointer!

[Kendar Fleetfoot]

The keep is a perfect solution to an old problem that could never be fixed. Plus console owners on the current gen dont need to worry about not having their old saves

 

As the Dev's etc have said it also makes it easier for them to fix issues with the game rather than having to roll out patches

 

Like many others have said, it isn't perfect but it is a better solution than having to used Gibbed and stuff around for hours to change your romance etc like in ME.

[DragonClaVV]

Hey guys,

 

im very disappointed with the keep. Why?

 

If i remember right ive played Origins 2 or 3 years ago + - few months . Then long time after that playthrough ive played DA2 with my carefully saved Savegame which lays on my external hard drive for all the long time. I dont have to say that ive done that with my DA2 Savegame too right? I was very happy to have a savegame from DAO over all DLC packs to witchhunt -> imported to da 2 and finish the game to save the savegame WHICH THE GAME GIVES ME AT THE VERY ENDING. I was happy because at that time i didnt had much time to play and wasnt even sure if i would finish DA2 until Inquisitions release.

 

In the meantime ive heard about the keep and just thought it will be good. Just a better way to import my completely saved savegame. And now i have to find this thread. Im very very very disappointed. EA/Bioware whoever wants to tell me that a savegame import isnt there when the game itself at the very end gave one to me. Really guys that can only be a joke.

 

Its way too long in the past to remember all decision ive made. And before i build in any mistakes into that keep i will just pick the premade option in the game. I dont see a little reason to enter the keep if i cant use my previous savegames. Sorry for the hard work you guys put in that but with that feature missing i dont know why you guys put all that work into it. If i would be an developer i would be ashamed.

 

 

Maybe im lucky and they will change that when the keep gets in the final version. i have some more tiem to wait because i have some more games to play and cus of that i will not play Inquisition at its releasedate.

 

Very disappointed greetings

DragonClaVV