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[N7KnightSabre]

Being competitive with PS4 is all that matters. Microsoft is just making purchasing an Xbox One more feasible and enticing. I agree that it's Halo that will be the main bolster for Microsoft. EA Access is just a side deal to promote more people getting the Xbox One. It will be the release of Halo MCC and eventually Halo 5 Guardians that will make people go out buying Xbox Ones in droves. Sony just doesn't have an exclusive that compares to Halo in terms of popularity. Sony has a lot of good exclusives, unlike Microsoft, but not one really great one.

 

It has nothing to do with Sony having more business sense actually. Sony has just paid more money for exclusives. It's that simple. Microsoft is desperate as they came out with a rocky start this generation. Bad promotions and a $100 more price tag has set them back considerably and many who owned the Xbox 360 betrayed Microsoft for the PS4. The war is far from over though. Microsoft still hasn't released its trump card, Halo, of which Sony does not have an exclusive as iconic or as profitable. That will likely bring balance back to Microsoft's early shortcomings. Nintendo is a joke. Zelda or not, Nintendo won't be making many more consoles at this rate as they won't be able to afford it.

 

I think that's a poor choice of words.  People have a right to go for a different product if they believe it to be better for them.  Sony was in charge of the console games until PS3, where they completely fumbled in marketing (they did the same thing then that Microsoft did now - got too big and believed people would just buy their console because they led the race of the last generation).  

[Revan Reborn]

@ Revan Reborn

 

Congratulations on turning this topic into a console war. Well done!

Yes. By explaining the history of the consoles and their business tactics, I have achieved success on the internet. +1 for me.

 

You would think that Halo would be on the PC also since its also a Microsoft platform. I guess they don't do that so they can boost sales of their consoles.

Exactly. It would be business suicide as it would take away incentive to invest in the Xbox One. There hasn't been a Halo title on PC since Halo 2 (I don't count Spartan Assault).

[Revan Reborn]

I think that's a poor choice of words.  People have a right to go for a different product if they believe it to be better for them.  Sony was in charge of the console games until PS3, where they completely fumbled in marketing (they did the same thing then that Microsoft did now - got too big and believed people would just buy their console because they led the race of the last generation).  

If you owned an Xbox 360 and then purchased a PS4, that is in fact "betraying" Microsoft. It could be for good reasons or bad reasons. It still is betrayal in its most basic sense. It's not meant to be condemning. That's just the nature of the console wars as Sony was in the exact position Microsoft is in a generation ago.

 

The difference is not even the Xbox One had as poor of a launch as the PS3, which was the worst launch for a console in history. If not for bluray, I'm not entirely sure Sony would still be in the business of making games when they were charging $500/600 for a console back in 2006. Either way, I just find it interesting how people will jump from one console to the next for the hopes of exclusives or timed exclusives, and then the other console gets something and they lash out.

 

Anyways, this is more of a discussion in how EA Access is a tease and you aren't really gaining anything as you are just merely paying for the first six hours of the game.

[aaarcher86]

There are a handful of people here that seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what EA Access is....

[Revan Reborn]

There are a handful of people here that seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what EA Access is....

It's nothing more than a money grab meant to fool people into believing they are getting a "deal" by getting early access and a discount. What they fail to realize is their monthly fee pays for their "six hours of game time" and then they have to wait to play the rest of the game like everybody else.

[Tevinter Soldier]

It has nothing to do with Sony having more business sense actually. Sony has just paid more money for exclusives. It's that simple. Microsoft is desperate as they came out with a rocky start this generation. Bad promotions and a $100 more price tag has set them back considerably and many who owned the Xbox 360 betrayed Microsoft for the PS4. The war is far from over though. Microsoft still hasn't released its trump card, Halo, of which Sony does not have an exclusive as iconic or as profitable. That will likely bring balance back to Microsoft's early shortcomings. Nintendo is a joke. Zelda or not, Nintendo won't be making many more consoles at this rate as they won't be able to afford it.

 

Let's see almost $200 extra (when i bought it) in my country Kinect i hate and 97% of everything else that makes an Xbox an Xbox isn't available in my country. plus it has lower resolution, you've got  to rip apart the bloody thing if want upgrade the HDD. XBL is $15 more expensive.

 

I see no reason to give M$ money for a console that is hardware wise inferior with all the social aspects unavailable because bill gates has never looked at a damn map. price is everything on a console if i had money to ****** away i'd get a gaming PC. not to mention the issues i had with RRD.

 

Chug the goo fanboy but if M$ want my money (which they won't get this gen) they better lift their game. I'm a consumer not their best friend. you sell me something if i like it i'll buy it. attempt to sell me ****, and you won't get a cent.

[N7KnightSabre]

If you owned an Xbox 360 and then purchased a PS4, that is in fact "betraying" Microsoft. It could be for good reasons or bad reasons. It still is betrayal in its most basic sense. It's not meant to be condemning. That's just the nature of the console wars as Sony was in the exact position Microsoft is in a generation ago.

 

The difference is not even the Xbox One had as poor of a launch as the PS3, which was the worst launch for a console in history. If not for bluray, I'm not entirely sure Sony would still be in the business of making games when they were charging $500/600 for a console back in 2006. Either way, I just find it interesting how people will jump from one console to the next for the hopes of exclusives or timed exclusives, and then the other console gets something and they lash out.

 

Anyways, this is more of a discussion in how EA Access is a tease and you aren't really gaining anything as you are just merely paying for the first six hours of the game.

 

I'm sorry, I just disagree.  Now if someone was an avid advocate for Microsoft and its console and was strictly 360 only, as well as attacking others for being something other than the XBox, then turned around and bought a PS4 - I'd call that betraying.  

 

I do agree with you on the EA Access thing, though.  I can understand how some players would be upset about it being locked out for them, but that's how the game world is nowadays and I don't see it changing anytime soon.

[aaarcher86]

It's nothing more than a money grab meant to fool people into believing they are getting a "deal" by getting early access and a discount. What they fail to realize is their monthly fee pays for their "six hours of game time" and then they have to wait to play the rest of the game like everybody else.

Not really. The ability to play DAI for a few hours early is an added perk, but it's not the focus of the service itself. Their monthly fee pays for the ability to play 6 full games in the Vault right now AND a short portion of DAI.

If someone pays $5 just to play DAI, then okay, but it doesn't change what it is. And honestly, I don't know why deal is in quotes - downloaders get the game cheaper by a few bucks - it'd kind of the embodiment of what a deal is if someone was planning on going digital anyway.

[CROAT_56]

There are a handful of people here that seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what EA Access is....

 

Yea I definitely see a lot of misunderstanding in this thread you aren't paying for the Early Access, Heck I'd reckon you aren't even paying for the 10% discount.  What you are paying for is the 6 game and climbing that are in the vault.  Of those games the value is a savings of about 50 bucks from the 30 you pay.  The added stuff on top of that is just Icing. 

 

 

The fact that others think its a demo is even more funny I only know of one "demo that is even close to the early access program and that is Crackdown 2's, because you could "unlock" achievements in the demo that would pop when you inserted the real game.  The difference is every mode, achievement, and option are open to you from the start but you are time bound.  I know for BF5 or even Hardline I'll be able to complete the entire campaign in 6 hours or less, unlocking all the SP achievements before the game is even out.  That is not a demo.

[Revan Reborn]

Let's see almost $200 extra in my country Kinect i hate and 97% of everything else that makes an Xbox an Xbox isn't available in my country. plus it has lower resolution, you've got  to rip apart the bloody thing if want upgrade the HDD. XBL is $15 more expensive.

 

I see no reason to give M$ money for a console that is hardware wise inferior with all the social aspects unavailable because bill gates has never looked at a damn map. price is everything on a console if i had money to ****** away i'd get a gaming PC. not to mention the issues i had with RRD.

 

Chug the goo fanboy but if M$ want my money (which they won't get this gen) they better lift their game. I'm a consumer not their best friend. you sell me something if i like it i'll buy it. attempt to sell me ****, and you won't get a cent.

I don't deny that Microsoft may some poor judgments similar to Sony the last generation at the launch of a new console. They put all their eggs in a basket that the Kinect would revolutionize gaming and there was a massive outcry by the gaming community because of it.

 

Bill Gates hasn't been a factor with respect to the Xbox since the original. There difference between 900p and 1080p is minute and it's comical how big a deal console gamers make it. Xbox One isn't the Xbox 360 so the RRD aren't even remotely relevant (I went through nine Xbox 360s with RRD as I bought a first generation at launch).

 

Much like Sony came back last generation, Microsoft will come back this generation. Microsoft has Halo, which will sell the console far more than any other game.

 

I'm sorry, I just disagree.  Now if someone was an avid advocate for Microsoft and its console and was strictly 360 only, as well as attacking others for being something other than the XBox, then turned around and bought a PS4 - I'd call that betraying.  

 

I do agree with you on the EA Access thing, though.  I can understand how some players would be upset about it being locked out for them, but that's how the game world is nowadays and I don't see it changing anytime soon.

No need to apologize. You don't have to agree. Console gamers are just fickle and will jump back and forth to whichever they believe is shinier. A knee-jerk response based off of marketing and exclusives.

[Harlot]

It is what it is. Microsoft is spending fat bucks to keep their gaming console competitive and everyone has to pay. It's gonna last for a while and leave a very bad taste for some.

[Revan Reborn]

Not really. The ability to play DAI for a few hours early is an added perk, but it's not the focus of the service itself. Their monthly fee pays for the ability to play 6 full games in the Vault right now AND a short portion of DAI.

If someone pays $5 just to play DAI, then okay, but it doesn't change what it is. And honestly, I don't know why deal is in quotes - downloaders get the game cheaper by a few bucks - it'd kind of the embodiment of what a deal is if someone was planning on going digital anyway.

I'm aware of the other games. The point, specifically with this forum, is that everyone is buying EA Access solely for DAI. Unless you are big into sports games, the service itself really isn't a deal at all. The only other game of any value is BF4, which has already been out for a year.

 

My point is if you are just getting EA Access solely for DAI to play six hours early, there is no deal. The discount you obtained was paid for by your subscription.

 

Now, if you just happen to love all of EA's games and take full advantage of the service, more power to you. Considering 80% of the titles thus far are likely games nobody would actually want to play, I'd wager many are just getting it solely because of one game in most cases.

[N7KnightSabre]

I don't deny that Microsoft may some poor judgments similar to Sony the last generation at the launch of a new console. They put all their eggs in a basket that the Kinect would revolutionize gaming and there was a massive outcry by the gaming community because of it.

 

Bill Gates hasn't been a factor with respect to the Xbox since the original. There difference between 900p and 1080p is minute and it's comical how big a deal console gamers make it. Xbox One isn't the Xbox 360 so the RRD aren't even remotely relevant (I went through nine Xbox 360s with RRD as I bought a first generation at launch).

 

Much like Sony came back last generation, Microsoft will come back this generation. Microsoft has Halo, which will sell the console far more than any other game.

 

No need to apologize. You don't have to agree. Console gamers are just fickle and will jump back and forth to whichever they believe is shinier. A knee-jerk response based off of marketing and exclusives.

 

Not all console gamers are like that, though.  People go for the better deal, as they should.  People shouldn't just put up with what a company's doing (like paying more because of a Kinect that has to come with the console) just to "stay loyal".  That's the good side of a competitive market, you don't have to settle.

[CROAT_56]

goodness there is a lot of misinformation in here I sense a lock coming down the pipeline. 

[ev76]

My point is if you are just getting EA Access solely for DAI to play six hours early, there is no deal. The discount you obtained was paid for by your subscription.

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Here is how you get the deal, subscribe for one month, 4.99. Then buy the game digitally you get 10% off the game. So you get those 6 hours for no cost. If you get the deluxe edition you get 2.99 for playing 6hours of the game early. Just make sure you cancel your subscription once the month access is at an end.

[Revan Reborn]

Not all console gamers are like that, though.  People go for the better deal, as they should.  People shouldn't just put up with what a company's doing (like paying more because of a Kinect that has to come with the console) just to "stay loyal".  That's the good side of a competitive market, you don't have to settle.

I don't disagree. I just find it hypocritical when they then complain what their new console lacks even though they have other exclusive benefits. Really though, I can only see your line of thinking work practically for multi-platform titles. If you want Halo, you have to buy an Xbox One. If you want Uncharted, you have to buy a PS4. There are just some games, regardless of what Microsoft or Sony do, people won't have access to if they don't purchase the particular console.

 

We should stay on topic though with respect to EA Access. If you are just getting the service solely for DAI, there really is not a "deal" to be had. You pay for six hours of content to play five days early. I don't see why this is such a big issue, for those who are in favor of it and have it or those who don't.

[Ibn_Shisha]

I for one haven't jumped around.  I have 2 ps1's, a ps2, 3 and 4.  The only Microsoft you'll find in my man cave is the win 7 on my pc.  EA Access is just another thing that will completely fail to convince me to buy an xbox.

[Galvine]

Anyone who pre-orders should get the 6 hours imo no matter what they choose to play on. Between the Xboners and all the soon incoming streams, I fear I'll be burnt out, not to mention near unavoidable spoilers everywhere you look. Sooo hard to resist watching vids or checking up on something when you're so excited about it.  Very soon I'll have to forget about the game until release... It's going to be rough

[aaarcher86]

I'm aware of the other games. The point, specifically with this forum, is that everyone is buying EA Access solely for DAI. Unless you are big into sports games, the service itself really isn't a deal at all. The only other game of any value is BF4, which has already been out for a year.
 
My point is if you are just getting EA Access solely for DAI to play six hours early, there is no deal. The discount you obtained was paid for by your subscription.
 
Now, if you just happen to love all of EA's games and take full advantage of the service, more power to you. Considering 80% of the titles thus far are likely games nobody would actually want to play, I'd wager many are just getting it solely because of one game in most cases.

Everyone isn't just getting the service for DAI. That's your misconception.

But regardless, if I get more money off than what I'm putting in it doesn't really matter HOW I obtain it. I'm paying less overall than I would without the service AND I get to dick around with the character creator and MP for a bit.

[Revan Reborn]

Here is how you get the deal, subscribe for one month, 4.99. Then buy the game digitally you get 10% off the game. So you get those 6 hours for no cost. If you get the deluxe edition you get 2.99 for playing 6hours of the game early. Just make sure you cancel your subscription once the month access is at an end.

I understand that you save $2 due to the 10% discount and price of the service. I'd hardly consider that a deal as you are essentially just paying $58 dollars for limited access to the game early (I believe the game is discounted if you buy it digitally anyways). Now if you were getting a 25% discount for the game without having to pay any service, like you can on PC, I consider that a deal as that's a quarter of the price knocked off the game before it's even out.

[Revan Reborn]

Everyone isn't just getting the service for DAI. That's your misconception.

But regardless, if I get more money off than what I'm putting in it doesn't really matter HOW I obtain it. I'm paying less overall than I would without the service AND I get to dick around with the character creator and MP for a bit.

Obviously everyone isn't. I'm referring to the people specifically on this forum, however, of which many are just getting it for DAI.

 

I'm not suggesting you shouldn't get the service. I'm just stating it isn't the big deal everyone seems to be making it out to be. You get to play six hours of the game five days early. So what? It's a gimmick meant to make money and nothing more. You merely give BioWare/EA more money by paying for EA Access and DAI. Again, I can get DAI 25% off and not have to invest in any service to do so on PC.

[CROAT_56]

I understand that you save $2 due to the 10% discount and price of the service. I'd hardly consider that a deal as you are essentially just paying $58 dollars for limited access to the game early (I believe the game is discounted if you buy it digitally anyways). Now if you were getting a 25% discount for the game without having to pay any service, like you can on PC, I consider that a deal as that's a quarter of the price knocked off the game before it's even out.

 

digital games are not discounted unless you get EAA or there is a sale going on otherwise we pay the same amount as a Physical copy but with game share on X1 I get basically 2 games for the price of one when buying DDL.

[aaarcher86]

Obviously everyone isn't. I'm referring to the people specifically on this forum, however, of which many are just getting it for DAI.
 
I'm not suggesting you shouldn't get the service. I'm just stating it isn't the big deal everyone seems to be making it out to be. You get to play six hours of the game five days early. So what? It's a gimmick meant to make money and nothing more. You merely give BioWare/EA more money by paying for EA Access and DAI. Again, I can get DAI 25% off and not have to invest in any service to do so on PC.

Which is fine, but 25% off isn't available on the platform the service is.

[CROAT_56]

nor on PC