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[Augustei]

Celene didn't outright tell my elven inquisitor racist comments to his face and Celene didn't outright tell my Inquisitor she's planning to start a war.

How is Gaspard telling you he plans to start a war such a bad thing?

[thesuperdarkone2]

Her talk with the Inquisitor in The Arbor Wilds is a stark contrast to Gaspards. If I recall his its about a good war and how he's glad to be away from the court doing what he loves. But Celene's is "Its good to see the Inquisition fufilling its purpose" and "Orlais will help the Inquisition stop Corypheus"...So what does that mean of your support after that?!. To me it gives the not so subtle impression she either believes the Inquisition to be a temporary power or would very much like it to be so.  My Inquisitor really really wouldn't like such talk.
Heck even if she believes such things she should think before talking in such a way to the leader of the Inquisition.

His comment about loving war is just further evidence for why I will never let him rule. Also, what about the Inquisition disbanding. Wasn't the Inquisition created to stop the breach and Corypheus? What are they supposed to do after? 

[Augustei]

His comment about loving war is just further evidence for why I will never let him rule. Also, what about the Inquisition disbanding. Wasn't the Inquisition created to stop the breach and Corypheus? What are they supposed to do after? 

Run things =P, Well mine will anyway.
An Emperor who will need purges of rebelling nobles to obtain stability for his rule
A Mage Divine dealing with dissent about being A Mage Divine who will need my forces to stay on the sunburst throne.
A Bunch of nobles that are already my B**ches from the war table missions.
They will all be my B**ches. Unless of course they dont need my help or would rather I support their enemies? I do have the majority of the Templars still in my army after all, Vivienne recreated them but they thought they'd rather stay by the side of their holy prophet.

Twill be fun.

[thesuperdarkone2]

How is Gaspard telling you he plans to start a war such a bad thing?

If somebody told you that they planned on starting a bloody war that would no doubt kill lots of innocent people simply because he's an expansionist, you'd seriously have no problems with it? Celene has ruled Orlais for years. My Inquisitor wants to make the world better, not put warmongers in power who would start wars and cause the deaths of countless innocents. If he starts a war, there are two ways it ends: it fails and both Orlais and Ferelden lose forces they could use to fight a future threat while also causing the deaths of many Ferelden civilians, or Orlais conquers Ferelden resulting in another rebellion and thus more bloodshed. Considering what the Orlesians did to Ferelden the last time they were in charge, I say no!

[Master Warder Z_]

How is Gaspard telling you he plans to start a war such a bad thing?

o.o He then proceeded to fight a Behemoth solo and if you don't interfere win.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Run things =P, Well mine will anyway.
An Emperor who will need purges of rebelling nobles to obtain stability for his rule
A Mage Divine dealing with dissent about being A Mage Divine who will need my forces to stay on the sunburst throne.
A Bunch of nobles that are already my B**ches from the war table missions.

Twill be fun

 

Celene and Briala rule Orlais and peace with culture and elven rights being supported

A Divine who disbands the circles and templars and thus gives the mages the freedom I supported

Support from practically everyone

 

I consider this to be a better world.

[thesuperdarkone2]

o.o He then proceeded to fight a Behemoth solo and if you don't interfere win.

Wat. Gaspard outright says he can't fight anymore at the end of TME. By your logic, Celene shot lasers from her eyes and took down 5 ogres single-handedly.

[Master Warder Z_]

Wat.

In the Arbor wilds unlike Celene he leads his men from the front, including fighting in the battle.

He's like Emperor Drakon.

[thesuperdarkone2]

In the Arbor wilds unlike Celene he leads his men from the front, including fighting in the battle.

He's like Emperor Drakon.

Bioware, not even following their own lore on characters. Gaspard said his fighting days are over due to the injuries he received. Guess they don't care about what actually happens.

[Augustei]

If somebody told you that they planned on starting a bloody war that would no doubt kill lots of innocent people simply because he's an expansionist, you'd seriously have no problems with it? Celene has ruled Orlais for years. My Inquisitor wants to make the world better, not put warmongers in power who would start wars and cause the deaths of countless innocents. If he starts a war, there are two ways it ends: it fails and both Orlais and Ferelden lose forces they could use to fight a future threat while also causing the deaths of many Ferelden civilians, or Orlais conquers Ferelden resulting in another rebellion and thus more bloodshed. Considering what the Orlesians did to Ferelden the last time they were in charge, I say no!

Celene and Briala rule Orlais and peace with culture and elven rights being supported

A Divine who disbands the circles and templars and thus gives the mages the freedom I supported

Support from practically everyone

 

I consider this to be a better world.

Well lets see, Feudal society an an expansionist ruler.. Not so unusual. My Inquisitor would see the benefits to Orlais's conquest of Ferelden..Benefits I outlined earlier, Coastlands revenue, Farmlands ensuring Orlais isn't so reliant on the Free Marches as a food source and could probaly start outcompeting their market.
Considering how many of Ferelden's nobles Capitulated last time and how Brandel's and Moira's rebellions were extremely small failures. Most of Maric's rebellions sucess I chock up to competent leadership (Yeah not Maric though, LOL) and the Orlesians leaving that idiot Meghren in charge who looked down on the Fereldens, used the Chevaliers as his answer to everything and treated the nobility like absolute ****. So A large rebellion I don't view as a certainty no.
But yeah I don't view war from solely a morality viewpoint as you seem to, Sure innocents will die and that will be sad an unfortionate but war is just a political tool ultimately and Orlais and Ferelden could ultimately prosper from Orlesian expansion

Heck look at Amaranthine alone, an Orlesian city they built on perfect bay the Fereldens squandered. Now it outcompetes even the free marches in trade.
Both sides could potentially lead richer lives, a large unified empire could better mobilize resources and work in unison with more forces to better combat future threats.

So no, it could work out rather well and my Inquisitor wouldn't have a problem with Gaspard saying this. Especially since he doesn't actually go into any specifics anyway beyond "Expansion" That could mean any number of things. Recapturing Perendale from Nevarra who are overtaxed and hate Nevarran rule for example.

Anyway Celene has already proven her incompetence in my eyes, Gaspard is easier to control and has yet to prove his to such a degree so I view him as better.
Divine Lelianas plans are way to extreme in my eyes, As soon as reports of Abominations start among the public (not matter how few actually occour) and as soon as the mages start taking all the work (Which with magic they inevitably will) There will be riots and anarchy at best, Mass killing of mages by the mobs. These things are extremely likely imo under Lelianas leadership so no way am I making her Divine.

[Augustei]

Bioware, not even following their own lore on characters. Gaspard said his fighting days are over due to the injuries he received. Guess they don't care about what actually happens.

Yeah was weird, and then Florianne was the Grand Duchess of Lydes? I remember a war table mission where I chose one of Remaches relatives as the ruler of Lydes. and Remaches family rule Lydes?

Oh and Dowager Mantillion is stil alive wtf?

[The Baconer]

1) Well considering the Chantry wouldn't release anymore than like 5 mages for Cailans army to go fight the blight, and that they are already used in wars in the Exalted Marches, and that the Imperial throne already exerts massive influence over the chantry then yes.

 

The Blight and the targets of the Exalted Marches (Qunari, the Imperium, the Dales) represented (or were construed) as threats to followers of the southern Chantry as a whole. Two Andrastian nations going to war with each other has nothing in common with this. No king or Emperor is going to receive the Divine's permission to use the Circle in this manner.

 

2) The Imperial Throne has the chantry under its heel,

 

No, it most certainly does not, regardless of close relationship they share.

 

 

I doubt the Divine would call an Exalted March from the Grand Cathedral in Val Royeaux.

 

When someone is trying to subvert the authority of the Chantry and pit Circle mages and Templars against each other? The Divine would be under too much pressure not to call an Exalted March. Unless, of course, she wants to risk another schism.

 

 

But it doesnt fly in the face of any Chantry doctrine either, There is no mandate that gives the chantry control of mages.

 

Yes it does. It's called the Maker's ****ing commandments. The Circles are under the jurisdiction of the Chantry, period. Gaspard even remarks that he could technically be executed for harboring an apostate mage, which illustrates their authority on the matter.

 

A Conscription of the circle could certainly work, Especially under Divine Justinia V. I'd think she'd welcome the more freedom mages could potentially get as a result. Heck the women risked open rebellion for it.

 

What.

 

Any benefits regarding such an arrangement would only apply to Orlesian mages. Justinia has a much bigger picture to be worried about (as she represents the faithful across all of southern Thedas, not just Orlais), and a war that pits mage against mage completely jeopardizes this. Not to mention there's little basis to believe the station of mages would improve.

 

Maybe in some bizzaro universe would Justinia think that is a good idea.

 

 

The Nobles would not turn on him, they were asking the Imperial throne to intervene in the first place. They also want to conquer Ferelden, Seeing as how useful the mages would prove to be in this task I doubt any dissent would last long.

 

If Gaspard causes the Chantry to call an Exalted Gangbang on Orlais, you can bet they'd throw him under the bus in record time.

 

 

3) He'd have the Orlesian Nobles and the mages themselves on his side. She'd be a fool not to grant permission. But I don't feel Conscripting the Mages is without its risks, it certainly does have them. But if he does play his cards right it could work out. Thats all i'm saying, but yes it could certainly blow up in his face.

 

He would not have "the mages" on side (seriously, what the **** is this logic?). Second, if Justinia basically sets the precedent that "Magic is meant to serve man, not to rule over him... Except for Orlais" she's giving the finger to all the grand clerics from across Thedas. This is how you get a third Chantry.

 

4 & 5) The Political infighting that is the game, Giving the Empire an outward focus can minimilize the factional infighting the game brings (Though as I said I doubt it could end it)

 

Oh yes, just like the first occupation did :>

 

 

And the mimilization of the dessenting voices in the libertation faction from new mage freedoms and their conscription into war would give the Empire breathing room.

 

You think that would actually happen? That's cute. I wonder how he'd react when a large amount of mages simply desert and there's no Templars around to stop them, you know, since he just told them get stuffed after taking control of the Circles.

[Augustei]

*Snip*

1) Right so they can't be used against another Andrastian nation but the Divine can call an Exalted March on Orlais? **** my mistake...

2) I disagree, The fact that the Chantry has always happened to follow Imperial Policy is just to big a coincedence for me to buy it. But sure feel free to chock it up to their close relationship. Then we can disagree forever.

3 & 4) I take it you've never read the chant? The Circles are not under the Chantrys juristiction by any Of the Transfigurations. That Mages are mean't to serve man and not rule over him does not state the Mages are under Chantry juristiction by holy mandate. Also Gaspard is not pitting the factions against each other, he's potentially pitting himself against the Templars in this scenario. The guy himself entertained the idea of having his own forces take over the circles.
If he wanted to conscript the mages for his war this is how he would have to go about it, Promise them more freedoms in exchange for their support. It almost worked for Loghain before Wynnes intervention as I said before. Thats the precedent i'm working off, That the mages would be willing to work with Gaspard in exchange for more freedoms like they were with Loghain.
Perhaps the divine and the clerics would be ****ing stupid enough to push for an exalted march against the Orlesian Empire, like they wanted one against Orzammar and Kirkwall. It will fail though, the Divine will quickly be dead and replaced.

5) Well the mages were willing to believe their station would improve in Ferelden when Uldred allied with Loghain. If the Emperor was willing to sit down with them and sign contracts then why wouldn't they believe so again? And what do the foreign mages have to do with this anyway? The Emperor of Orlais would have prevented the Mage/Templar war in Orlais. His concerns aren't the Divines concerns, heck the foreign infighting would probably be to his benefit.
Your counter-points are based on the belief that the Chantry isn't under Orlais's heel, I believe otherwise. She'd be under alot of pressure to do what Gaspard wants with the Orlesian army breathing down her neck.

6) Your little exalted gangbang wont last long, the divine would quickly wind up dead in such a case and the new one would lift it. But even so who the hell is going to provide troops to invade Orlais? Ferelden? The country still recovering from the fifth blight? The Free Marches? Where 2/3 of their most powerful cities are still recovering from conflict themselves. Antiva with its no standing army? Rivanin who are barely Andrastian themselves? The Anderfels who still havnt recovered from the 4th blight to this bloody day? Nevarra who is already at odds with Orlais?

7) Loghain got the Mages on side presenting a similar deal, do you honestly think the mages won't be as commited because they have to kill dog lords instead of darkspawn? Your naive if you truely believe that
I did say that it was a dumb move that would shatter Orlesian trans-national influence, or did you not read that? When that precedent is set ofc the other nations will jump at the oppotunity to get their own mages bound to the crown.

8) Are you privy to past details about Orlais that everyone else is not? We don't know how the past war effected the infighting that is the game. And I did say he would never be able to fully get rid of it. But he could potentially minimize it

9) Right because what he just puts all the mages into their own company? Dont be stupid. They'll be among the Orlesian army split up and seperated. And not all of them would be so unwise as to attempt to desert knowing it will forfeit the freedoms they would be promised in this scenario. How did he tell them to get stuffed exactly? He promised them more freedoms in this scenario, not complete freedom.







 

[thesuperdarkone2]

World of Thedas outright confirms that the Ferelden Rebellion's success nearly crippled Orlais due to the constant warfare. Celene is the reason that Orlais managed to return to its powerhouse status. Funny how nobody seems to care about the 20 years she's ruled without civil war.

[Augustei]

World of Thedas outright confirms that the Ferelden Rebellion's success nearly crippled Orlais due to the constant warfare. Celene is the reason that Orlais managed to return to its powerhouse status. Funny how nobody seems to care about the 20 years she's ruled without civil war.

Yes and the reason it was sucessful is because Florian stopped supporting Meghren and because they put Meghren in charge in the first place and the guy was an idiot. Orlais also failed to account for Nevarra. Initially the rebellion was a failure, it barely got anywhere and had very little support under Brandel and Moira.

Her actions and motivations in the masked empire gave me enough of an insight into her character to easily conclude her idiocy. That she managed to hold onto that throne for 20 years I chock up to the support of Prosper and Bastien. And the fact that everyone else in the royal family were idiots as well.

[The Baconer]

1) Right so they can't be used against another Andrastian nation but the Divine can call an Exalted March on Orlais? **** my mistake...

 

Yes. What about this scenario confuses you?

 

 

2) I disagree, The fact that the Chantry has always happened to follow Imperial Policy is just to big a coincedence for me to buy it. But sure feel free to chock it up to their close relationship. Then we can disagree forever.

 

Orlais is the seat of the southern Chantry, but it serves a number of people far beyond Orlais. The preservation of this international influence and authoirty is worth far more than the good graces of some replaceable monarch.

 

 

3 & 4) I take it you've never read the chant? The Circles are not under the Chantrys juristiction by any Of the Transfigurations. That Mages are mean't to serve man and not rule over him does not state the Mages are under Chantry juristiction by holy mandate.

 

They are under the Chantry's jurisdiction by holy mandate, and have been ever since the Circle's formation in sourthern Thedas. Your headcanon does not change this.

 

 

 

3 & 4) I take it you've never read the chant? The Circles are not under the Chantrys juristiction by any Of the Transfigurations. That Mages are mean't to serve man and not rule over him does not state the Mages are under Chantry juristiction by holy mandate. Also Gaspard is not pitting the factions against each other, he's potentially pitting himself against the Templars in this scenario. The guy himself entertained the idea of having his own forces take over the circles.

 

 

Um, yes, sending the mages and Templars of Orlais into war with its enemies means that said enemies will likely field their mages and Templars in turn. The Chantry gains nothing from allowing its mages and Templars to kill each other in war. Making an exception for Orlais alienates the rest of the continent, which will bring about another schism.

 

 

If he wanted to conscript the mages for his war this is how he would have to go about it, Promise them more freedoms in exchange for their support. It almost worked for Loghain before Wynnes intervention as I said before. Thats the precedent i'm working off, That the mages would be willing to work with Gaspard in exchange for more freedoms like they were with Loghain.

 

Given the mage identity and Chantry influence, this most certainly would not have worked, for the same reasons it didn't work for the Hero of Ferelden. 

 

 

 

Perhaps the divine and the clerics would be ****ing stupid enough to push for an exalted march against the Orlesian Empire, like they wanted one against Orzammar and Kirkwall. It will fail though, the Divine will quickly be dead and replaced.

 

You would hope, at least for the sake of making your argument look better :>

 

The Divine has far more friends than Gaspard, both in his own country and outside of it.

 

 

5) Well the mages were willing to believe their station would improve in Ferelden when Uldred allied with Loghain. If the Emperor was willing to sit down with them and sign contracts then why wouldn't they believe so again?

 

Um, no, it actually divided the mages between those who wanted to follow Loghain, those who didn't, and the Templars. Then it turned into a complete disaster.

 

 

And what do the foreign mages have to do with this anyway? The Emperor of Orlais would have prevented the Mage/Templar war in Orlais. His concerns aren't the Divines concerns, heck the foreign infighting would probably be to his benefit.

 

Which is exactly why stupid, ignorant ****ing nobles who can't see passed their own noses shouldn't be involved with this. The Mage/Templar issue is a problem for Thedas in its entirety. He might think he's working toward the benefit for Orlais, but he'd only be stirring the pot further, to such an extent that the conflict would turn much, much worse for Thedas than it actually did.

[The Baconer]

Your counter-points are based on the belief that the Chantry isn't under Orlais's heel, I believe otherwise. She'd be under alot of pressure to do what Gaspard wants with the Orlesian army breathing down her neck.

 

The Orlesian nobility (who provide Gaspard's army and political support) would be under a lot more pressure when they've been made a target by the the rest of the Chantry faithful in Thedas. They'd realize that Gaspard is more trouble than he's worth, and move to dispose of him to minimize the damage.

 

Why would they? Well, what do they really honestly stand to gain by standing with him? Do you think a potential re-occupation of Fereldan or the ego-boost of taking a chunk of land from Nevarra outweighs the consequence?

 

 

and the new one would lift it.

 

What new Divine? Do you think the grand clerics from all around Thedas are going to elect a Divine that favors Orlais in this situation? Do you actually think they'd elect a new one with any alacrity in the chaos? Do you actually think that a much-loved Divine being rendered a martyr by the same Emperor she deemed a heretic would actually discourage the movement against him?

 

 

But even so who the hell is going to provide troops to invade Orlais? Ferelden? The country still recovering from the fifth blight? The Free Marches? Where 2/3 of their most powerful cities are still recovering from conflict themselves. Antiva with its no standing army? Rivanin who are barely Andrastian themselves? The Anderfels who still havnt recovered from the 4th blight to this bloody day? Nevarra who is already at odds with Orlais?

 

Yes.

 

 

Loghain got the Mages on side presenting a similar deal,

 

No, he didn't, either time.

 

 

Your naive if you truely believe that

 

You're cute, but don't try to play it that way. Stick to what you know :>

 

 

I did say that it was a dumb move that would shatter Orlesian trans-national influence, or did you not read that? When that precedent is set ofc the other nations will jump at the oppotunity to get their own mages bound to the crown.

 

Which is what the Chantry would not want, and for good reason. They'd rather call for Gaspard's removal than risk losing their Circles.

 

 

8) Are you privy to past details about Orlais that everyone else is not? We don't know how the past war effected the infighting that is the game. And I did say he would never be able to fully get rid of it. But he could potentially minimize it

 

The Game had a part in breaking Reville, the one who successfully invaded Ferelden, where he had his brother's entire family murdered and then lived in constant fear of assassination for the rest of his life. How's that for infighting? 

 

Florian's rejection of the Game and courtly affairs in general weakened his position in the eyes of the nobility, and also impaired his reign in general.

 

 

9) Right because what he just puts all the mages into their own company? Dont be stupid. They'll be among the Orlesian army split up and seperated. How did he tell them to get stuffed exactly? He promised them more freedoms in this scenario, not complete freedom.

 

That's a rather specific claim, especially since mages deployed in wars have never operated like that.

 

How did he tell the Templars to get stuffed? Probably when he tells them to f*** off because the Circle now belongs to the state.

 

Also, what freedoms?

[AppealToReason]

I was really bummed I could never find a way to make him emperor without having to kill Celene.

 

And how no matter what choices I took, I always seemed to be a dick to him even though he was a total bro.

[Dark Helmet]

If somebody told you that they planned on starting a bloody war that would no doubt kill lots of innocent people simply because he's an expansionist, you'd seriously have no problems with it?

 

Against Dog Lords? Not even a little bit.

[Augustei]

*snip*

Oh great you replied. I must say you seem to take this whole speculation on intepreting potential plans very seriously =P

1) Considering the nobility were the ones pushing for action on both fronts I doubt they'd so quickly desert, and you continue to base your argument around a version of the chantry where the divine has all the power, and I still believe that the chantry is under the Imperial heel.
Tell me, do you believe the patriach in Byzantium is was indepedent from their Emperor as well? Tell me what you think of the fact that the Inquisitor got one of his companions on the sunburst throne, particularly a mage in some cases which flys in the face of all Chantry doctrine. Because he had the Imperial Thrones favor and so the Empires nobles looked to his as a result of this. And yes it was because of this event which is outlined by The Inquisitor, Josephine, Cassandra and Leliana.

2) The ambitious power hungry faction leader willing to take the seat and lift the exalted march her idiot predessor declared I would imagine. I'm not advocating a public execution where Gaspard personally takes responsibility? What is this?

3) Great so one country, how nice.

4) Yeah he did, check your lore. Uldred convinced the others, this is said in the game by Wynne and the other mages, It was only when Wynne showed up and talked of how Loghain was a traitor who abandoned the army etc etc. that it all fell apart. If Wynne never went there or said those things, Loghain would have had the mages.

5) First its thats cute, now it's your cute. Clearly your discussions with me are giving you arousal.. Kinda weird, I'm flattered I guess...Just not really into dudes =P

6) And we're back to you saying their independent and me saying they're under Orlais's heel.

7) Gaspard plays the game, unless you ignored your conversations with him having already decided you hated him before he spoke. He says he despises it but how he has to play it right unless his enemies use it against him. I'm not suggesting he should ignore it, He doesn't think it a good idea himself. But by giving the Empire an outward focus he can minimilize it to a degree.

8) Havn't they? Oh well please directly me to the tactical way in which mages are used in wars so I can read it for myself. Clearly you know something I don't.
As for the get stuffed bit, I thought you meant the mages. He doesn't feel he needs the Templars, he has his own forces.

As to what freedoms I couldn't tell you, "More Freedoms", The same thing Loghain promised, the same thing Vivienne gives the mages if she becomes divine. Idk what they are. More than they currently have if I were to guess =P
 

[Valerius]

To be honest im not a big fan of orlais i held low opinion about them before dai after my opinion was even lower pretty much nothing but corruption and incompetence (throwing parties when world is about being destroyed) it only wonders how the heck they become strongest country in thedas cus i have hard time in beliving that.

The funny thing is that it won't matter what choices you make when the might of tevinter sweeps down upon orlais like a blight itself. Gaspard thinks of himself a strong ruler and believes that he can control the border against tevinter but he doesn't know just how wrong he really is. All hail tevinter, the true pinnacle of what mankind can achieve.

[The Baconer]

1) Considering the nobility were the ones pushing for action on both fronts I doubt they'd so quickly desert, and you continue to base your argument around a version of the chantry where the divine has all the power, and I still believe that the chantry is under the Imperial heel.
Tell me, do you believe the patriach in Byzantium is was indepedent from their Emperor as well?

 

That is not at all an apt comparison. The Chantry is an institution who's breadth reaches far beyond Orlais' empire, and must act with the interests of its combined subjects in mind. That the Chantry does not operate under the heel of Orlais (and neither is the opposite true) is just a fact, even if they do enjoy a close relationship.

 

 

2) The ambitious power hungry faction leader willing to take the seat and lift the exalted march her idiot predessor declared I would imagine. I'm not advocating a public execution where Gaspard personally takes responsibility? What is this?

 

That's not how the succession of the Divine works.

 

Whether or not Gaspard takes responsibility is irrelevant, the implication would be clear.

 

4) Yeah he did, check your lore. Uldred convinced the others, this is said in the game by Wynne and the other mages, It was only when Wynne showed up and talked of how Loghain was a traitor who abandoned the army etc etc. that it all fell apart. If Wynne never went there or said those things, Loghain would have had the mages.

 

Yes, you are correct actually. Still, Uldred said that Loghain would order the Chantry to give the Circle more freedoms, which is not a promise that they'd be independent from the Chantry or the Templars. In Gaspard's situation, neither the Chantry, the Templars (especially Lambert), are going to let him get away with nationalizing the Circle.

 

In addition, it ended up being better for both the mages and Thedas that neither Loghain's or Ghaspard's plans came to fruition.

 

 

5) First its thats cute, now it's your cute.

 

*whoooooooosh*

 

 

7) Gaspard plays the game, unless you ignored your conversations with him having already decided you hated him before he spoke. He says he despises it but how he has to play it right unless his enemies use it against him. I'm not suggesting he should ignore it, He doesn't think it a good idea himself. But by giving the Empire an outward focus he can minimilize it to a degree.

 

His dialogue in game (and of those at the ball commenting on him) just confirms that he is exceptionally terrible at it. The stroke of brilliance in luring Celene to Halamshiral in TME was most likely a scheme devised by Remache... who Gaspard killed.

 

 

8) Havn't they? Oh well please directly me to the tactical way in which mages are used in wars so I can read it for myself. Clearly you know something I don't.
As for the get stuffed bit, I thought you meant the mages. He doesn't feel he needs the Templars, he has his own forces.

 

Last Flight, the Fifth Blight, Qunari conquering Kirkwall in the New Exalted Marches.

 

Mages are effectively artillery, grouped together for the same reason archers are grouped together. They'd likely be split up among a few units but those would be units made up mages almost exclusively. The mages would also make camp together.

 

Of course, if any of them try to escape, get unruly, or even go abomination you won't have any Templars around to mitigate the damage so gg.

[Augustei]

*snip*

1) Once again we simply disagree, based on the evidence in Inquisition of how The Imperial thrones favor can sway the election of a divine I'd say the chantry is certainly under the heel of Orlais

2) The sucession of the divine works how the nobles of Orlais say it works, thats how Vivienne A MAGE, Leliana and Cassandra get elected to the seat. This is clearly stated in the game, by Josephine, Vivienne, Leliana and the Inquisitor themself. You having the Emperor/Empresses favor has caused the Orlesian nobility to look to you in the decision of who will suceed to the sunburst throne

3) In Gaspard's situation he is the Emperor of Orlais, If his favor can sway the nobles to such a degree as to get A mage divine elected by the Inquisitor, then I daresay that The Chantry or Lamberts opinions on the matter are irrelevent.

4) Nah no *whooosh* I was just being a smartass, in response to you being a smartass =P

5) True, though Celenes doing nothing about Halamshiral only to eventually be lured into street combat there personally with a small force because she thought she was loosing some favor from the court proved she herself is terrible at it. Then there was her abandoning her plans for Ferelden solely because Cailan was married, and doing nothing about Kirkwall at all despite "All eyes watching it" and Orlais's transnational influence, especially over the free marches. Then returning the tomb of Koslun to the Qunari because...why again did she do that? She gained nothing except to boost their morale come the next invasion. Oh and then the whole feathers thing with Gaspard and Teagan prove that she is bloody awful at the game herself. Ultimately both are fools

6) Last flight we only saw the few grey warden mages, not how mages were deployed tactically, Fifth blight we only saw the initial charge and nothing else of the battle of denerim, apart from the Grey Warden summoning a small group of mages that broke away from the battle for him and this I would imagine is only gameplay mechanics (and it was only 15 anyway), Qunari in Kirkwall we know nothing of how the Saarebas were used other than that they were used.
You have Chevaliers to take care of them, better trained and trained in Templar techniques anyway.

[Milan92]

To restore his nation to it's past glory?

Oh you got me, that is stupid "_"

 

Orlais is fine as it is. No need to start a war just to get more land.

[Augustei]

Orlais is fine as it is. No need to start a war just to get more land.

Its more than just the land, Most of thedas is bound to the free marches and reliant on them as "The breadbasket of thedas" as a source of food, Antiva dominates maritime trade and you can't do much on the seas without giving them their due. But more importantly Orlais is an empire clearly in decline, It is clearly not as powerful as it once was and is visibly slipping in international power and influence, Sure it is still very powerful and influencial but not to the degree it once was.

If Orlais were to conquer Ferelden it could have a chance to turn itself into "The breadbasket of thedas", It could increase its competetiveness in trade along the waking sea and grow rich from the Port cities there. More food, more money, more power.
These things would help it to combat the growing power and influence of Nevarra and keep the Imperium in check.

Even Celene initially seemed to realise this, which seemed to be why she was trying to obsorb Ferelden through marriage to Cailan. DA2 & TME has caused me to doubt her plans though... Now her plans make no sense at all =/