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[Milan92]

Its more than just the land, Most of thedas is bound to the free marches and reliant on them as "The breadbasket of thedas" as a source of food, Antiva dominates maritime trade and you can't do much on the seas without giving them their due. But more importantly Orlais is an empire clearly in decline, It is clearly not as powerful as it once was and is visibly slipping in international power and influence, Sure it is still very powerful and influencial but not to the degree it once was.

If Orlais were to conquer Ferelden it could have a chance to turn itself into "The breadbasket of thedas", It could increase its competetiveness in trade along the waking sea and grow rich from the Port cities there. More food, more money, more power.
These things would help it to combat the growing power and influence of Nevarra and keep the Imperium in check.

Even Celene initially seemed to realise this, which seemed to be why she was trying to obsorb Ferelden through marriage to Cailan. DA2 & TME has caused me to doubt her plans though... Now her plans make no sense at all =/

 

Sounds like it could work out just as well if they have an alliance.

 

I see no reason to start a war.

[Augustei]

Sounds like it could work out just as well if they have an alliance.

 

I see no reason to start a war.

Because an Alliance doesn't solve The Free Marches dominating the food source or Antiva dominating maritime trade, and it certainly won't curb Tevinter and Nevarra's desire to expand themselves.
Why should Ferelden give Orlais any revenue from its ports? Because they ask nicely? suggest an alliance? Sure they could stop Tariffs on Orlesian goods and stop any taxation of Orlesian ships but then Orlais still wouldn't see any of the revenue from those ports? It doesn't help them to anywhere near the same degree
Ferelden wouldn't be open to the idea of providing food for Orlesian armies.
So nowhere near the same amount of food source, Orlais won't want to pour money into the development of Ferelden ports, Ferelden doesn't have the money to fund the development of its ports or Maritime strength, Heck it didn't even when it wasn't recovering from a blight.
Little fiscal gains, little gains in food, no gains in power.

Orlais has the wealth to develop the coastlands of Ferelden to fully utilize maritime power and trade, Ferelden doesn't. Orlais won't want to give this to Ferelden though. To little gain for the cost.

Orlais's nobles, Celene included. Want to control Ferelden. If they can take it through another means then sure by all means, But otherwise a war is their course

War between the two countries is inevitable, its not a question of if....its a question of when. For those diehard Ferelden supporters (Including myself when i'm rping my Warden, they will want to delay it as long as possible ofc so they can recover from the blight and build up their strength. But they best prepare for it)

[Catche Jagger]

Funny since Bioware seems to go short of outright saying that Harrowmont is the wrong choice and Bhelen is right:




They're not so subtly saying that everyone who chose Harrowmont is wrong. Wouldn't put it past them to do something similar with regards to Celene and Gaspard.

What makes the choice between Bhelen and Harrowmont a compelling one to make is that Bhelen is an ******* but is good for the dwarves while Harrowmont is a generally ok guy but is bad for the dwarves. Is there such an obvious dilemma present between Celene and Gaspard? No. They're both schemers interested in advancing personal agendas.

Please stop making leaps in logic to claim that the creators must agree with you. It is a horrible argument to make, especially when there is little to nothing to back it up.

[ladyofpayne]

What all the bablling around? There are epiloges and we see that Gaspard is sucessful ruler.

[Master Warder Z_]

Prosper Monfort was Celene's greatest ally o.o I picture him as the reason she did as well as she did.

[thesuperdarkone2]

What all the bablling around? There are epiloges and we see that Gaspard is sucessful ruler.

And we see that Celene's endings have her make Orlais prosperous and resurgent. Gaspard isn't the best if a single line is all it takes. Plus, nobody has even shown what the ending is like if he invades Ferelden. I'm interested to see what that ending is like.

[Steelcan]

And we see that Celene's endings have her make Orlais prosperous and resurgent. Gaspard isn't the best if a single line is all it takes. Plus, nobody has even shown what the ending is like if he invades Ferelden. I'm interested to see what that ending is like.

So does Gaspard, whereas Celene has the potential to turn against teh Inquisition, Gaspard does not

[The Baconer]

1) Once again we simply disagree, based on the evidence in Inquisition of how The Imperial thrones favor can sway the election of a divine I'd say the chantry is certainly under the heel of Orlais

 

The Imperial throne has nothing to do with the election. The Inquisition's support of a candidate is an appeal to the grand clerics, not the nobility, as is stated multiple times in the game.

 

2) The sucession of the divine works how the nobles of Orlais say it works,

 

Again, you're just making up stuff as you go. I'm not going to debate your fanon.

 

 

This is clearly stated in the game, by Josephine, Vivienne, Leliana and the Inquisitor themself.

 

It's not.

 

 

3) In Gaspard's situation he is the Emperor of Orlais, If his favor can sway the nobles to such a degree as to get A mage divine elected by the Inquisitor,

 

You keep wanting the scenario to be like this, but it's not.

 

 

5) True, though Celenes doing nothing about Halamshiral only to eventually be lured into street combat there personally with a small force because she thought she was loosing some favor from the court proved she herself is terrible at it. Then there was her abandoning her plans for Ferelden solely because Cailan was married. Then returning the tomb of Koslun to the Qunari because...why again did she do that? She gained nothing except to boost their morale come the next invasion.

 

So you can see why my first choice wouldn't be a person who sets the bar even lower, right :>

 

 

6) Last flight we only saw the few grey warden mages, not how mages were deployed tactically,

 

It was a war, they were all deployments you doof.

 

 

Fifth blight we only saw the initial charge and nothing else of the battle of denerim, apart from the Grey Warden summoning a small group of mages that broke away from the battle for him and this I would imagine is only gameplay mechanics (and it was only 15 anyway),

 

The mages departed for the battle in a single group, and fought as a group when summoned. You also forgot the battle of Ostagar, where they operated the exact same way.

 

But no, I'm sure most people would rather have the feared mages just randomly sprinkled about their army. Sure.

 

The Saarebas operate in units called Karataam.

 

 

You have Chevaliers to take care of them, better trained and trained in Templar techniques anyway.

 

Considering that even Michel, the most op Chevalier alive, gets ******-slapped by magic pretty consistently in TME, I don't really think their "Templar techniques" that don't actually involve any anti-magic really amount to much. lol gg

[Augustei]

*Snip*

1,2,3,4) "I assume you've heard Leliana and I are cantidates for the next divine? Because of what happened at Halamshiral of course. The Empire favors you, thus everyone close to you" This speech isn't effected by court approval so by events at halamshiral one can conclude she means your alliance with the imperial throne.. Unless "The Empire" truely favors you with 0 court approval lol. But even so, the fact that The Empire favors you means your companions are considered for the Sunburst Throne now makes it pretty evident the amount of influence Orlais has over the sunburst throne.

5) Celene sets the bar lower than Gaspard imo, though ofc that could just be because she's the only one thus far that's had a chance on the Imperial Throne. We shall see how things work out I guess.

6) There were like 6 mages total?...You doof

7) They departed as a single group, and fought as a group (Of 15 max) when the Warden summoned them.... Really? Thats your proof for tactical deployment? C'mon man......  That they departed the tower they all live in together is no suprise, and that the breakaways (Its said this isn't the whole army, which is obvious considering the numbers) are all mages doesn't mean much. At most we can guess they are broken up into squads of 15 from this, not that all mages in the army are deployed into a single regiment.
I don't forget Ostagar, we only saw 1 mage actually fighting there, at Ishal. And only met a grand total of 2 other mages.

8) Well in this scenario the mages are surronded by an entire army of Chevaliers

 

[thesuperdarkone2]

I take it none of you have actually done the ending where Gaspard invades Ferelden.

[Augustei]

I take it none of you have actually done the ending where Gaspard invades Ferelden.

Nah, talked him out of it. Because while ultimately I have no problem with him invading Ferelden, Invading Ferelden right now? I have a problem with that.
Even if I didn't give a **** about Orlais and how Nevarra would take advantage of this, Bhelen needs time to recover from Orlais's civil war, the Dwarves at the winter palace make it clear that the Orlesian civil war has effected Orzammar's trade - food supplies to be specific, he had a surplus sure but he can't live off that forever.
So no wars will be had along Orzammar's supply routes until my Bro Bhelen recovers.
Besides he gives my Inquisition Lyrium, and considering the Templars remain with me to form the core of my army in the Epilogue I kind of need a steady supply.
So I told Gaspard to keep the hell out of Ferelden for now.

Worked out well anyway, I liked hearing how he reinforces the northern border against Tevinter. From a southern thedas prospective something needs to be done to check them in some way, at least its something.
 

[MisterJB]

I wonder why Briala's threat of elves rioting across Orlais matters at all.

Really, If the civil war is still happening, freeing the soldiers needed could be what tips the balance but otherwise, Gaspard could just order every alienage purged. Who would raise a voice? No one.

[Tocs]

We need to unite the human nations to ban together against the impending Qunari. Damned Rivain letting them on the mainland. I would so get my inquisition to help Tevinter take Seheron. I got Gaspard and Anora in an alliance so it's a start xD

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Nice, just found out that inquisitors with the champion spec can get unique dialog with Gaspard. He even calls you kindred spirits and comrades-in-arms and says that the both of you should raise a toast together.

 

The bromance is real.

[dragonflight288]

I don't like either Gaspard or Celene, but my canon Inquisitor fights for a return to Order and stability. My canon Inquisitor agrees with both Josephine and Vivienne. "What I want does not matter, what does matter is a stable Orlais. Celene offers the most stability."

 

Gaspard brings nothing but war and death to his people, Ferelden and Nevarra, or has an uneasy alliance/being blackmailed by elves that is going to blow up eventually. 

 

His rule is upfront, honest, and he is a man of his word, but he is not a man who brings stability and order.

[thesuperdarkone2]

I don't like either Gaspard or Celene, but my canon Inquisitor fights for a return to Order and stability. My canon Inquisitor agrees with both Josephine and Vivienne. "What I want does not matter, what does matter is a stable Orlais. Celene offers the most stability."

 

Gaspard brings nothing but war and death to his people, Ferelden and Nevarra, or has an uneasy alliance/being blackmailed by elves that is going to blow up eventually. 

 

His rule is upfront, honest, and he is a man of his word, but he is not a man who brings stability and order.

Thank you. Something tells me the Gaspard invading Ferelden ending will give us a true view of how Gaspard's rule will go.

[In Exile]

Gaspard is impressively loyal if you side with him.

[ladyofpayne]

 

 

His rule is upfront, honest, and he is a man of his word, but he is not a man who brings stability and order.

Please read his epilogue.

[ladyofpayne]

Gaspard is impressively loyal if you side with him.

Well he uses his grey matter descite Celene doesn't. 

[thesuperdarkone2]

Please read his epilogue.

Which requires the Inquisition to deal with his problems. His ending outright says the only reason there aren't revolts is that people are afraid of the inquisition. I somehow doubt the same thing occurs if he invades Ferelden.

[ladyofpayne]

Which requires the Inquisition to deal with his problems. His ending outright says the only reason there aren't revolts is that people are afraid of the inquisition. I somehow doubt the same thing occurs if he invades Ferelden.

There is war mission in the table.

[thesuperdarkone2]

There is war mission in the table.

Did you even read my post? So far, we know he only does well if the Inquisition helps him. The ending where he invades Ferelden would give a better idea of how rules. If it turns out he's a horrible ruler if he invades Ferelden, it just proves that he is just terrible and can't rule without the Inquisition hand-holding him.

[Master Warder Z_]

I need to trim my toenails.

[ladyofpayne]

Did you even read my post? So far, we know he only does well if the Inquisition helps him. The ending where he invades Ferelden would give a better idea of how rules. If it turns out he's a horrible ruler if he invades Ferelden, it just proves that he is just terrible and can't rule without the Inquisition hand-holding him.

Inquisition done't rule Orlais, no head canon please.

[Augustei]

Did you even read my post? So far, we know he only does well if the Inquisition helps him. The ending where he invades Ferelden would give a better idea of how rules. If it turns out he's a horrible ruler if he invades Ferelden, it just proves that he is just terrible and can't rule without the Inquisition hand-holding him.

Can't rule without the Inquisition hand holding him, thats a good point darkone, good reason to give Gaspard the throne right there. If I ever had any doubts you've affirmed my loyalty. Good work, your doing Gaspards work. Fightin' the good fight and all that.