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#576
thesuperdarkone2

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Can't rule without the Inquisition hand holding him, thats a good point darkone, good reason to give Gaspard the throne right there. If I ever had any doubts you've affirmed my loyalty. Good work, your doing Gaspards work. Fightin' the good fight and all that.

And you've affirmed my belief in never giving him the throne. After all, why would I give the throne to a warmonger who can't run the empire without the inquisition holding his hand through it. Thank you for confirming everything I thought about him. Keep fighting the good fight and proving why I'm never letting him rule.



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And you've affirmed my belief in never giving him the throne. After all, why would I give the throne to a warmonger who can't run the empire without the inquisition holding his hand through it. Thank you for confirming everything I thought about him. Keep fighting the good fight and proving why I'm never letting him rule.

Not a fan of power and influence aye?
But nah he could rule without the Inquisition holding his hand, it'd just be....messier. The Purges I mean.
and the idiot probably would invade Ferelden to soon... I mean heck he tried to start the war with Teagan and that was certainly to soon
Maybe this time Nevarra captures Val Chevin! oooo within striking distance of the capital, what fun.
Since the last war took 39 years to conquer Ferelden and Bhelen is currently worried about the food supply, well riots and instability in Orzammar to be had. That'll be fun.

Truthfully though you'll never hear me saying the guy is a great ruler in his own right, The guy is an idiot. So are Celene and Briala mind you.
But the fact the guy is easily manipulated and more reliant on and loyal to the Inquisition is why he gets the throne from me, not because I think "Damn Orlais is going to thrive and prosper under this genius"
 

But yeah I think invading Ferelden is a good idea as ive said, but invading Ferelden right away is a really really bad idea

Then again perhaps The Masked Empire isn't even canon, Bioware themselves don't seem to think so. I mean Gaspards injuries from the fight with Michael are suddenly healed and he is fighting on the frontlines, Dowager Mantillion the women Briala killed is suddenly alive, Remache and his family are one point ruling Lydes then suddenly Florianne, Gaspards sister is... I don't know wth is going on anymore



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And you've affirmed my belief in never giving him the throne. After all, why would I give the throne to a warmonger who can't run the empire without the inquisition holding his hand through it. Thank you for confirming everything I thought about him. Keep fighting the good fight and proving why I'm never letting him rule.

He Can't? Really He is sucessful wen he rules alone.



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Then again perhaps The Masked Empire isn't even canon, Bioware themselves don't seem to think so. I mean Gaspards injuries from the fight with Michael are suddenly healed and he is fighting on the frontlines, Dowager Mantillion the women Briala killed is suddenly alive, Remache and his family are one point ruling Lydes then suddenly Florianne, Gaspards sister is... I don't know wth is going on anymore



It's BioWare. Hell, even Briala's appereance isn't the same as TME. You shouldn't be surprise if they like to retcon a lot of things for the sake of current story. I do hate the lack of consistency in every recent BioWare games.

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He Can't? Really He is sucessful wen he rules alone.

 

He doesn't match my idea of success, which is stability and order. 

 

I don't trust Celene, but I trust a man who can only solve his problems through the sword even less. War is all he knows and he may be successful on that front, but my personal opinion is that a person who relies solely on it to solve the problems in his country is less successful than he would like to think. 

 

There's too many real life examples of brilliant military leaders being crappy rulers for me to be comfortable with it. 



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Every leader has something wrong with them. I bet the 'issue' with Gaspard is going to be his children, if he has any. His kids will probably be completely incompetent and horrible. lol Not to mention Gaspard is too old for my tastes to be ruling any nation, ESPECIALLY if he does, in fact, turn out to have incompetent children that will destroy the nation.

Gaspard Isn't old lol he's In his 30's lol some says he's In his 40's he's around 30's (Lore)



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Not really - his oath to Orlais includes fealty to the Emperor/Empress sitting on the throne and he broke that oath (and like someone already said: He wanted to burn down an entire city in order to find Celene - even though it was obvious she was no longer there!) - that and that alone makes his word (and any promises he might make - if you can side with him...we don't know if they really let you do that) really worthless (I don't plan on ending up betrayed at best or outright murdered at worst - there is only one good thing about him: He would probably kill you himself, instead of sending an assassin after you like Loghain - so he is an honest traitor...still a traitor though!)

 

greetings LAX

ps: Fixed it for you - (Sword instead of word)

That doesn't make Celene better she destroyed a whole elf village Purged. Plus he's the oldest It's his right to claim the throne.



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For our war god. Cry for his enemies.



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He doesn't match my idea of success, which is stability and order. 

 

I don't trust Celene, but I trust a man who can only solve his problems through the sword even less. War is all he knows and he may be successful on that front, but my personal opinion is that a person who relies solely on it to solve the problems in his country is less successful than he would like to think. 

 

There's too many real life examples of brilliant military leaders being crappy rulers for me to be comfortable with it. 

Youe pesonal opinion matters note- developers said their word. Arguing is pointeless.



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Youe pesonal opinion matters note- developers said their word. Arguing is pointeless.

 

That he starts a war on two fronts and faces revolution if it weren't for the Inquisition?



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That he starts a war on two fronts and faces revolution if it weren't for the Inquisition?

No revolution in any epilogue. I am tired of users imagination, really. Better if we will discuss what really happens in game.



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No revolution in any epilogue. I am tired of users imagination, really. Better if we will discuss what really happens in game.

His ending outright says the only reason people don't rebel is that they are afraid of the Inquisition. You people just can't handle that Gaspard isn't as good as you think.



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No revolution in any epilogue. I am tired of users imagination, really. Better if we will discuss what really happens in game.

 

The lack of revolution is specifically stated because of the Inquisition. I never said there was one. I said the epilogues say that revolution is not happening because people either fear or respect the Inquisition based on the events in-game. 



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If we ever get a mod to remove his mask I think my lady parts will explode.



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His ending outright says the only reason people don't rebel is that they are afraid of the Inquisition. You people just can't handle that Gaspard isn't as good as you think.

 

The ending says his enemies fear the Inquisition. That does not mean the people of Orlais, it probably means the mask wearing noble houses who play a stupid game, and no one cares about them.
 


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The ending says his enemies fear the Inquisition. That does not mean the people of Orlais, it probably means the mask wearing noble houses who play a stupid game, and no one cares about them.
 

 

They're the ones with the soldiers, the money and the influence to start a revolution. 

 

His enemies are the very people who would tear Orlais apart if it wasn't for the fact that they fear the Inquisition. 

 

You may not have to care about them, and you may join me in making fun of them, but it is a grave mistake to underestimate the amount of influence nobles have. 



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His ending outright says the only reason people don't rebel is that they are afraid of the Inquisition. You people just can't handle that Gaspard isn't as good as you think.

 

I think you people are trying way too hard to vilify him. Maybe because he doesn't have the lesbian relationship, who knows. 

 

Here's what it actually says 

 

""He rules unopposed. Each noble house that rises up against him soon realizes it has made its last mistake."

 

"Fortunately for Gaspard, his gratitude towards the Inquisition has remained strong." "Some claim the emperor relies too much on his new allies, but others know the truth. "His enemies hesitate only because they fear the Inquisition's revenge - but for how long?"  

 

They are scared that the Inquisition will get revenge. Saying that Gaspard can only rule because of the Inquisition is completely stupid. The nobles try, and they fail. Read the first part next time. Whether it is the Inquisition or Gaspard, they lose. So, they fall in line. 



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For some reason I get the impression from the Gaspard haters that one of the reasons they don't like him is because "War is evulz! Celene doesn't declare wars"
and "He wants to declare war on Ferelden" and make him out as some evil bastard because of this?


Isn't that a pretty good reason, especially considering that the inquisitor isn't even from Orlais? I understand why some orlesians would want to reconquer former Orlesian holdings, but a dalish? Or a free marcher noble? But that's isn't the only reason why I hate him. There's also his hypocritical sense of honor, his racism and the fact that Orlais needs some of the reforms that Celene at least seems to be pushing.

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Gaspard Isn't old lol he's In his 30's lol some says he's In his 40's he's around 30's (Lore)

No he's 67, the codex entrys on the royal family clearly outline this. Guy was born in 8:74 Blessed.

 

The ending says his enemies fear the Inquisition. That does not mean the people of Orlais, it probably means the mask wearing noble houses who play a stupid game, and no one cares about them.
 

Mask wearing nobile houses that play the game, you mean the majority of the Orlesian nobility? Yeah nobody cares about the majority of the nobility =P



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I was happy to help Michel rekindle his ties with Orlais. I think he would be happier serving under Gaspard than he was with Celene. Gaspard had this great respect for Michel in The Masked Empire that could go a long way. I guess it could be just the Chevalier's honor.  :)


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Behold! Our War God in all his glory! Huge thank you to  Ehamloptiran in the DAI Tools group.

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Ew, Gaspard the chimpanzee



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Unfortunately, I noticed a lack of detail to attention concerning Gaspard. He is carrying a dagger on his costume. Isn't it extremely bad manners / illegal / flat out hostile to bring a dagger to peace talks being held at a ball?

 

And another thing to note... With the future we saw at Redcliffe, despite being a famed war general, even he can't protect Orlais after Celene falls. I assume he becomes emperor after Celene is assassinated by Florianne... And even though Florianne tried to implicate him, he still gets the throne. It turns out he wasn't that great after all...

In case you can't tell, I support Celene and Briala more than him. But I think its awesome Bioware managed to get some people to like him, characters are better when they're varied.



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Behold! Our War God in all his glory! Huge thank you to Ehamloptiran in the DAI Tools group.
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Unfortunately, I noticed a lack of detail to attention concerning Gaspard. He is carrying a dagger on his costume. Isn't it extremely bad manners / illegal / flat out hostile to bring a dagger to peace talks being held at a ball?

 

And another thing to note... With the future we saw at Redcliffe, despite being a famed war general, even he can't protect Orlais after Celene falls. I assume he becomes emperor after Celene is assassinated by Florianne... And even though Florianne tried to implicate him, he still gets the throne. It turns out he wasn't that great after all...

In case you can't tell, I support Celene and Briala more than him. But I think its awesome Bioware managed to get some people to like him, characters are better when they're varied.

Minor overlooked details. The same thing happens with Alexius when you're about to judge him at Skyhold, even though he's your prisoner he still carrying a daggers on his back. You can blame BioWare for that, but it's a minor thing that irrelevant to the story. If you didn't expose Florianne before, when she try to escape and when you chasing her out of the Ballroom. You can see two guards standing by the door, do nothing. I wish BioWare pay more attention to every detail, even the small one when they develop this game, some overlooked details are immersion & lore breaking, once you notice it.

 

Even the Inquisitor, the Inquisition fails to stop the tide of demons (in case the Inquisitor was kicked out of the Ball) I suppose you think Celene could do better? Since she suppose to be a shrewd politician, very skilled at the Game. I would expect she knows better to always keep her guard on, and maybe pulling Padme in case someone's trying to assassinate her. It turns out she wasn't that smart after all. Not saying Gaspard is a war god who could solo Corypheus, but the way you try to needle Gaspard every time as if Celene is flawless, best leader Thedas has ever had. You have to be very bias to accomplish that. I suppose you people simply have nothing better to do. 


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