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[Lady Artifice]

I guess marrying someone like Remache would have been an option. But not Gaspard. He was too power-hungry for this to work out and for them to actually be equal partners. And they disagreed on everything.

 

She knew what was coming when he cornered her at the hunt, and she wasted time cursing him for it and grandstanding. 

 

Gaspard has the military support, and choosing him would silence any whispers that she's anti-military. She's better at politics than he is, or a least she has more patience for it, so she could have maneuvered around his plans to invade Ferelden in any number of ways.

 

And if that's too tiresome for her, planning a hunting accident should be a lot easier than fighting a civil war. She tried to use marriage as a bargaining chip with Remarche at the theater, and at that point it was too late. The time to play that card came before, whether or not she followed through with it. 

 

Personally, I think she probably should have. His skill as her General was too valuable to lose. 

[Master Warder Z_]

He is no longer a mere general.

He is emperor.

The title that ****** Celene as Loghain aptly put never deserved is finally with whom deserves it.

[Lady Artifice]

He is no longer a mere general.

He is emperor.

The title that ****** Celene as Loghain aptly put never deserved is finally with whom deserves it.

 

Emperor Gaspard de Chalons, his Imperial bleeding Awesomeness' skill as a General was too valuable to lose. 

[Steelcan]

If Celene and Gaspard were to get married, I highly doubt they would conceive offspring with one another.

 

They would seem like the sort who would wave at the crowd in place of kisses and sleep in separate beds.  

then they could find a serving girl who looked vaguely like Celene

[Master Warder Z_]

then they could find a serving girl who looked vaguely like Celene

That would work.

She should be honored to be the royal incubator.

[Catche Jagger]

then they could find a serving girl who looked vaguely like Celene

And I'm sure no one would find out and then use it as an excuse to start yet another civil war.

[Lady Artifice]

then they could find a serving girl who looked vaguely like Celene

 

Alternatively, Any little blonde baby really, boy or girl. Preferably both. An heir and a spare. 

 

They could pull it off with the right pillow and discreet servants, if they got really clever. 

 

And I'm sure no one would find out and then use it as an excuse to start yet another civil war.

 

Still would be worth a try. Besides, with the two of them working together who would be powerful enough to oppose their word? 

 

Ah, well. There's going to be a succession crisis for Ferelden and Orlais whatever happens. It's a little repetitive. 

[Xilizhra]

God I love that.

It's power hungry to ****** want your birthright.

Celene fans need to get over themselves.

I couldn't possibly give less of a damn about hereditary birthrights, but in any case, Celene earned it by virtue of not alienating the people in charge of handing out noble titles. Gaspard's just butthurt.

[ladyofpayne]

I couldn't possibly give less of a damn about hereditary birthrights, but in any case, Celene earned it by virtue of not alienating the people in charge of handing out noble titles. Gaspard's just butthurt.

Why? He likes Michel de CHevin no matter he is commoner and half elf.

[Catche Jagger]

I couldn't possibly give less of a damn about hereditary birthrights, but in any case, Celene earned it by virtue of not alienating the people in charge of handing out noble titles. Gaspard's just butthurt.

Well, some people do give a damn about hereditary birthrights. Regardless, seeking out one's birthright is hardly a power hungry motivation.

[Xilizhra]

Well, some people do give a damn about hereditary birthrights. Regardless, seeking out one's birthright is hardly a power hungry motivation.

I disagree. Pursuing something that only exists because of who your parents were is pursuing something you haven't earned, especially if the only reason you don't have it is because you were undiplomatic and pissed off people who shouldn't have been pissed off.

[TheRatPack55]

I disagree. Pursuing something that only exists because of who your parents were is pursuing something you haven't earned, especially if the only reason you don't have it is because you were undiplomatic and pissed off people who shouldn't have been pissed off.

 

Please don't get offended or anything, but are you American? Because where I'm from it used to be and is still rather important who your parents were, and what they had - tangible or intangible - is legally very much yours by rights. (I'm not being condescending, btw, it honestly amuses me how differently people approach these things sometimes, depending on the culture they've been raised in  ).

[Han Shot First]

From a medieval/feudal mindset the throne is absolutely Gaspard's by right. Celene is a usurper.

 

And I say that as someone who kept Celene in her fancy chair in my canon playthrough.

[Steelcan]

I disagree. Pursuing something that only exists because of who your parents were is pursuing something you haven't earned, especially if the only reason you don't have it is because you were undiplomatic and pissed off people who shouldn't have been pissed off.

why do you insist on applying modern 21st standards of meritocracy to a Feudal setting?

[Bad King]

Hardly.

A decade later no one would be concerned with that garbage. It's movement of troops in a tactical position, any supporter of his which is even cited in game as the majority of the military will get it.

She can spew her venom, it won't matter.

Words don't block swords.

God don't you just love Absolute Monarchy? You literally make the rules as long as you can enforce them.

 

That's the thing - he'd have to enforce them which is nigh impossible when Briala holds his secrets, controls the eluvian network and is in an alliance with the Inquisition. From what the epilogue tells us, he bows to her demands and does nothing to stop her while some members of the nobility consider rebellion against him. 

[thesuperdarkone2]

I find it funny that people forget that Orlais after the last ruler died was pretty much a crippled country. Had Gaspard taken the throne, he would be in charge of a ruined country who would be destroyed after another failed invasion so military means would not work. The only reason Orlais became the powerhouse it is today is because of Celene. World of Thedas outright confirms that it was Celene who brought Orlais back from the brink of ruin. What could Gaspard do considering he doesn't do diplomacy and only thinks in military means?

[Lumix19]

From a medieval/feudal mindset the throne is absolutely Gaspard's by right. Celene is a usurper.
 
And I say that as someone who kept Celene in her fancy chair in my canon playthrough.

If the setting was RL medieval times then I would agree with you. But DA clearly states that the Council of Heralds has jurisdiction over title disputes, so if they chose to give it to Celene then that is their right.

[Addai]

I find it funny that people forget that Orlais after the last ruler died was pretty much a crippled country. Had Gaspard taken the throne, he would be in charge of a ruined country who would be destroyed after another failed invasion so military means would not work. The only reason Orlais became the powerhouse it is today is because of Celene. World of Thedas outright confirms that it was Celene who brought Orlais back from the brink of ruin. What could Gaspard do considering he doesn't do diplomacy and only thinks in military means?

Gaspard negotiated with Ferelden in my epilogue. He offered Celene a diplomatic route to avert civil war, and she rejected it. Gaspard also is the one who invites the Inquisitor to Halamshiral, courting a powerful ally, and warns you to play the Game well.

Just because people claim he's a meathead who can't use diplomatic means doesn't make it true.

[Steelcan]

I find it funny that people forget that Orlais after the last ruler died was pretty much a crippled country. Had Gaspard taken the throne, he would be in charge of a ruined country who would be destroyed after another failed invasion so military means would not work. The only reason Orlais became the powerhouse it is today is because of Celene. World of Thedas outright confirms that it was Celene who brought Orlais back from the brink of ruin. What could Gaspard do considering he doesn't do diplomacy and only thinks in military means?

Ok?

 

What does that have to do with anything?

Gaspard probably wouldn't have been a good ruler had he come to the throne then, according to what?  What current Gaspard thinks?  Do you have some hidden knowledge about Gaspard at the end of the war with Ferelden?  Can you say for sure he held the same views?  That he had no ideas on how to strengthen Orlais's economy?  And certainly claiming he doesn't do diplomacy is just flat out wrong at this point.

 

Gaspard is the kind of ruler Orlais needs now that it has recovered. 

[ladyofpayne]

 

 

Do you have some hidden knowledge about Gaspard at the end of the war with Ferelden?  

Actually Celene starts war with Ferelden too.

[Boost32]

Actually Celene starts war with Ferelden too.

Where its stated?

[Archdemon_Urthemiel]

Actually Celene starts war with Ferelden too.

Proof? The peace mission if celene rules outright says that orlais has no intention of starting a war, and she is criticized because she doesn't start wars

[Lady Artifice]

Hates politics, and hates the game.

Can't use diplomatic means? No.

Very disinclined to do so? Yes.

He planned to prove that "several hundred Chevaliers are better than diplomacy." He can be persuaded to let go of that ambition after his county was shredded by war, but it isn't like he has some other plan to fall back on.

I understand the appeal of Gaspard the active and honorable military man over Celene the capitulating compromiser, but he's far from a multi faceted political strategist. He doesn't want to be.