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[CIA]

It was a cockup on Bioware's part, but the sooner we get over it the better tbh. It's not going to change.

[Senjougahara Hitagi]

Also, how come no one is upset that Flemeth is alive? I mean we killed her in DA:O.

[TheKomandorShepard]

They can do whatever they want and in this case, they decided to do this. And as you said, why not? You can just think that Andraste herself brought her back to life 'cause she still has work to do as the Hand of the Divine. If that makes you sleep better at night.

 

Remember, It worked with Gandalf!  

That is just bad writing making characters retarded(pretty much they already pulled this off with oghren and morrigan making the warden look like just idiot) just push character into another game...

[Devil's Avocado]

Also, how come no one is upset that Flemeth is alive? I mean we killed her in DA:O.

Mysterious characters get a free pass. Leliana wasn't mysterious enough despite being a bard apparently.

[Kantr]

Even if you did killed her it doesn't mean anything, Wynne died and came back, so did Evangeline. Once they set it up this way, there is nothing preventing them from reviving just about any character with some help of a friendly spirit from the Fade. 

Aside from the fact that Evangeline is in the books

[Yuoaman]

Mysterious characters get a free pass. Leliana wasn't mysterious enough despite being a bard apparently.

 

Well if you did kill her you did kill her where the Sacred Ashes had been located, there could have been some residual magic in the temple.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well if you did kill her you did kill her where the Sacred Ashes had been located, there could have been some residual magic in the temple.

If you kill wynne there she stays dead the only thing i would pretty much was fine with if she was possessed by spirit but doubt that they will take that route as they couldn't handle even anders.

[Senjougahara Hitagi]

If you kill wynne there she stays dead the only thing i would pretty much was fine with if she was possessed by spirit but doubt that they will take that route as they couldn't handle even anders.

 

You could argue that she didn't stayed dead either. But for that, we will have to wait for Inqusition. I mean the mages uprising, the way it's set up couldn't possibly happen without her And she was possessed by a spirit the whole time. So I guess they can handle it. 

 

 

Aside from the fact that Evangeline is in the books 

 

 

But since we are getting Cole, I think Asunder should count as what happened.

[TheKomandorShepard]

You could argue that she didn't stayed dead either. But for that, we will have to wait for Inqusition. I mean the mages uprising, the way it's set up couldn't possibly happen without her And she was possessed by a spirit the whole time. So I guess they can handle it. 

 

Wynne is dead if you kill her ,if she is alive she shows up in daa even if you destroyed ashes and she left.If you kill her in circle or temple she won't be in daa.

[Kirke]

I have a much bigger "problem". I never recruited Leliana, I wasn't even aware she existed, I simply never walked into the house she was in. Imagine my surprise when I was playing DA2 and she appeared, and she was recognised as "the companion of the Warden". I kept trying to place her, and failed. I simply couldn't recall that character. So I read the walkthrough and oops, I completely missed out on a companion.

I have since then replayed dao and da2, including Leliana's song, and created my perfect playthrough but for a while, Leliana was nothing more than a con artist, telling people how she was the part of the Warden's group, while in fact she was a liar at best and maybe a stalker (I imagined her following me in the shadows).

[DAJB]

[...] for a while, Leliana was nothing more than a con artist, telling people how she was the part of the Warden's group, while in fact she was a liar at best and maybe a stalker (I imagined her following me in the shadows).

I love this! That may be the best version of Leliana I've read yet!

[Senjougahara Hitagi]

Wynne is dead if you kill her ,if she is alive she shows up in daa even if you destroyed ashes and she left.If you kill her in circle or temple she won't be in daa.

 

Well it would be dumb from her to show up, don't you think? You killed her once. But since she is possessed by a spirit that can bring people back to life, there is no reason for her to stay dead. It's still possible that she will be considered alive for the events that took place in the White Spire. Let's wait for what Cole has to say about this one.   

[dekarserverbot]

sigh... i hoped Morrigan to be dead in universe 3...

 

Seems we are dealing with Marvel comic's deaths in DA too, choices don't matter

 

 

Also, how come no one is upset that Flemeth is alive? I mean we killed her in DA:O.

 

Useless Hawke revived her...

 

 

That is just bad writing making characters retarded(pretty much they already pulled this off with oghren and morrigan making the warden look like just idiot) just push character into another game...

 

 

The entire returning characters in DA2 fall in that category... or even worse

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well it would be dumb from her to show up, don't you think? You killed her once. But since she is possessed by a spirit that can bring people back to life, there is no reason for her to stay dead. It's still possible that she will be considered alive for the events that took place in the White Spire. Let's wait for what Cole has to say about this one.   

She shows up not because she likes the warden only because she is there to find mage even if you destroy urn she still show up and makes clear you aren't her best friend.If she was alive she would still be there as i said because meeting the warden was pure coincidence.

 

 

The entire returning characters in DA2 fall in that category... or even worse

I agree and disagree when pretty much da 2 drowned us with returning characters that i dislike only horribly
done (and by that they ignored their status in previous games) were leliana that somehow was alive no matter what and anders that somehow was not only alive if you send him with templar that intended execute him but also was grey warden even if you didn't recruit him plus he always somehow meet justice even if he died in keep or was killed by the warden.

[Natureguy85]

Honestly, it's not a retcon.  You TRIED to kill her.  You just weren't successful.  You attacked her, yes.  You severely wounded her, yes.  You didn't kill her.  That's all.  So unless you checked for a pulse before leaving, you can't call it a retcon.

 

Didn't a decapitation animation sometimes trigger? I watched a video of it and her body dissolves into the pile of bones like any other corpse. At any rate, having to pull that "you didn't really know, did you?" crap in a different game is lame. It was clearly decided after Dragon Age: Origins.

Now if it turns out to not really be Leliana or she was actually resurrected and we'll get to know about that, then that could be cool.

[Natureguy85]

Also, how come no one is upset that Flemeth is alive? I mean we killed her in DA:O.

Because you first meet her in DA:2 before the Warden might have killed her. So whatever magic she used to put part of herself in that amulet was already done.

[Evamitchelle]

Didn't a decapitation animation sometimes trigger? I watched a video of it and her body dissolves into the pile of bones like any other corpse. At any rate, having to pull that "you didn't really know, did you?" crap in a different game is lame. It was clearly decided after Dragon Age: Origins.

Now if it turns out to not really be Leliana or she was actually resurrected and we'll get to know about that, then that could be cool.

 

It's just a case of gameplay/story segregation. You can also decapitate Zevran when he ambushes you and still talk to him afterwards.

[Andraste_Reborn]

It's just a case of gameplay/story segregation. You can also decapitate Zevran when he ambushes you and still talk to him afterwards.

 

And Harrowmont. And Cauthrien. I don't see why Leliana shouldn't be able to re-attach her head, just like everyone else in Thedas.

[DAJB]

Decapitation? In the words of the Black Knight from Monty Python and the Holy Grail:

 

"'Tis but a scratch!"

[Natureguy85]

It's just a case of gameplay/story segregation. You can also decapitate Zevran when he ambushes you and still talk to him afterwards.

 

That's funny. It would be pretty simple to just not allow those particular animations though.

[Natureguy85]

And Harrowmont. And Cauthrien. I don't see why Leliana shouldn't be able to re-attach her head, just like everyone else in Thedas.

When do you fight Harrowmont and he lives? Behlen orders him executed.

[Andraste_Reborn]

When do you fight Harrowmont and he lives? Behlen orders him executed.

 

*facepalm*

 

Sorry, I meant Howe!

[Fardreamer]

Didn't a decapitation animation sometimes trigger? I watched a video of it and her body dissolves into the pile of bones like any other corpse. At any rate, having to pull that "you didn't really know, did you?" crap in a different game is lame. It was clearly decided after Dragon Age: Origins.

Now if it turns out to not really be Leliana or she was actually resurrected and we'll get to know about that, then that could be cool.

 

Yes, because in real life when you kill someone they dissolve into a pile of bones once your loot their corpse.....  STOCK ANIMATION is not canon.

[Natureguy85]

Yes, because in real life when you kill someone they dissolve into a pile of bones once your loot their corpse.....  STOCK ANIMATION is not canon.

 

And they shouldn't have used a stock animation, or they should have, gone into a cutscene showing her body there, like with Zevran. Now it's just "a wizard did it".

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Also, how come no one is upset that Flemeth is alive? I mean we killed her in DA:O.

That one is simply explained by her in DA2 if you bothered to listen to what she says.

 

Hawke first encounters Flemeth JUST after The Warden has left the Kocari Wilds with Alistair and Morrigan. She offers to assist in getting them to where they can get a boat to head to Kirkwall in exchange for him taking a vial containing a part of her essence on the grounds she figures Morrigan might want to do her over (naturally she doesn't tell Hawke this). So when Hawke gets to the point of taking the vial to the Dalish as part of the deal, by this point Morrigan may have got the Warden to 'kill' her and even if not the old 'vessel' most likely perishes when she is reborn via the ritual Merrill performs.

 

As for Leliana considering her limited conversation with Hawke, it'll be nice to get a proper conversation with her in DAI and so we can see the differences depending on the variables of her 'potential' encounter with the Warden (I say potential considering how you can avoid her almost completely in DAO). Maybe we will find out how she survived, maybe we won't. People need to just accept it and move on.