Mac mentioned "Organics vs Synthetics" as a ME4 theme in the stream just now
Clearly, he has not learned from the endings.
You obviously misheard that. He said it was a theme of the trilogy, nothing about ME4. (Though where organics vs synthetics comes in in ME2 is beyond me.)
It was pretty good.
You obviously misheard that. He said it was a theme of the trilogy, nothing about ME4. (Though where organics vs synthetics comes in in ME2 is beyond me.)
Overlord and rogue VI missions.
Okay guys, never played it. Was the writing good in Halo 4 or was it casual trash?
It was better than Halo 2 and 3, so there's that.
Well, I think the main star of the show in Halo 4's story was pretty much meant to be Cortana and Chief's interactions, and Cortana's whole coming to terms with her synthetic mortality, and that was all excellent.
...which, is actually fairly relevant if they listed 'synthetics' as a theme.
Judging from the concept art it definitely is, and I have no trouble with it as long as it's clearly a central theme throughout, but it's just that when Mac mentioned Synthetics and Organics (You're right Cap and Gown, I did mishear) as a theme in the trilogy the hairs on my back rose in a very not-feel-good kind of way.
Except it did, the Covenant forces on Requiem belonged to an offshoot, the Storm Covenant, who were opposed to the Human-Covenant alliance. They are at odds with both the humans and the Covenant, and the whole point of them being on Requiem is that they want to find Forerunner technology and weapons to help them wipe out the humans and conquer the Covenant.Halo 4's script was eh, and the plot had logical holes in a lot of places but Mr. Schlerf knows what thematic consistency is, so I am not too worried about ME4 as long as Mac can pull his ear when he's about to retcon the lore.
The biggest insult of Halo 4's plot is that the Covenant is back as the enemies, which makes no sense because they made peace with the humans in Halo 3, and the narrative never addressed this. It was just a lazy excuse to let you shoot elites again.
Okay guys, never played it. Was the writing good in Halo 4 or was it casual trash?
I would say it's utilitarian. The good parts of the story are the interactions between Chief and Cortana and everything else is acceptable. There's some contrivances, plot holes, and way to many book tie-ins; but ultimately it kept the story moving forward without causing too many frustrations.
You obviously misheard that. He said it was a theme of the trilogy, nothing about ME4. (Though where organics vs synthetics comes in in ME2 is beyond me.)
Well, the geth cover quite a lot of ground throughout the trilogy, even in ME2.
Well, the geth cover quite a lot of ground throughout the trilogy, even in ME2.
If that is all it takes to establish a "theme" of organics versus synthetics, then the ME series has every theme under the sun and no themes at all. You might as well say that the theme of the series was everyone kills everyone else, and most especially they try to kill Shepard.
Mac mentioned "Organics vs Synthetics" as a ME4 theme in the stream just now
Clearly, he has not learned from the endings.
Actually that is somewhat reassuring. It probably means the next game doesn't take place in a canon Synthesis universe.
Overlord and rogue VI missions.
side missions don't really count as creating a theme.
If that is all it takes to establish a "theme" of organics versus synthetics, then the ME series has every theme under the sun and no themes at all. You might as well say that the theme of the series was everyone kills everyone else, and most especially they try to kill Shepard.
It is there since the start, even if it comes in a mix of optional and non-optional content.
I tried to convince that Citadel AI to not blow up, I really did.
side missions don't really count as creating a theme.
...yes they do. Or rather, they count as adding to a theme.
The theme itself being synthetics vs organics. Which happens. A lot. Even the Collectors are described as having most of themselves 'replaced by tech'.
It is there since the start, even if it comes in a mix of optional and non-optional content.
I tried to convince that Citadel AI to not blow up, I really did.
Is that the one who was stealing credits from the quasar machines in Flux, trying to get itself installed on a ship and go to geth space?
Wonder how the geth would have received it.
Is that the one who was stealing credits from the quasar machines in Flux, trying to get itself installed on a ship and go to geth space?
Wonder how the geth would have received it.
I dunno, really. Shot it out of the sky? Welcomed it?
I also like the Geth sidequest where you discover they have been preserving old Quarian data/culture. Again, this was in ME1.
EDIT: BTW if your response to synVSorg is "Who cares? Everyone kills everyone." then you missed that this was the bigger point. A cycle of death and destruction no matter your views are on organic and synthetic life. Its just that synthetic capability brings the cycle to a galactic level, more quickly.
You fight Geth in ME1.
In ME2 they ask the player to question the relationship between the Geth and organics.
ME3 you have to decide if the Geth are really evil robots or misunderstood.
The Geth vs Quarian, synthetic vs Organic question was there from the beginning just not as pronounced as it could have been.
I dunno, really. Shot it out of the sky? Welcomed it?
I also like the Geth sidequest where you discover they have been preserving old Quarian data/culture. Again, this was in ME1.
EDIT: BTW if your response to synVSorg is "Who cares? Everyone kills everyone." then you missed that this was the bigger point. A cycle of death and destruction no matter your views are on organic and synthetic life. Its just that synthetic capability brings the cycle to a galactic level, more quickly.
As EDI might've surmised, we (as players) have a pretty small sample size of synthetic life to draw from for a basis of comparison. Other than Javik's rather biased description of the Zha'til, there are only the geth and the reapers... and EDI. Did the creators of synthetic life in past cycles react to the creation of that life the same way the quarians did to the geth -- namely: We didn't mean to create it, and it scared us, so we tried to kill it, and it fought back? Who knows.
Is that reaction typical in each cycle? I wonder. I guess it must be, in some form or another, for the catalyst to conclude that conflict is inevitable.
I can imagine that poor race of Glip glops finally coming to an agreement to arrange a peace agreement with their synthetic counterparts after a long and bloody battle, only to have their meeting cut short by a reaper invasion.
You fight Geth in ME1.
In ME2 they ask the player to question the relationship between the Geth and organics.
ME3 you have to decide if the Geth are really evil robots or misunderstood.
The Geth vs Quarian, synthetic vs Organic question was there from the beginning just not as pronounced as it could have been.
Of course in ME2, we discover that the geth were divided into those who wanted to build their own future, and those who wanted the reapers to build their future for them... interesting that the term chosen by Legion to describe those geth was 'heretic'.
I can imagine that poor race of Glip glops finally coming to an agreement to arrange a peace agreement with their synthetic counterparts after a long and bloody battle, only to have their meeting cut short by a reaper invasion.
Glip Glop: Ah yes. Finally, after years/decades/centuries of conflict, we have reached an understanding, and will agree to divide up the galaxy and co-exist in peace. It is an historic occasion.
Gloppa-B26 (synthetic Glip glop) *to self*: organics are so long-winded. *Error: Fault in critical thinking. Function erased*... *aloud*: Agreed. Shall we sign the accord?
Harbinger: Mind if we sit in?
The geth probably had a committee convene for a few fractions of a second to agree on a name for the new geth faction, with the options coming down to:
heretic
heathen
Nazarrite
Sarenite
not-the-geth
traitorfaces
The geth probably had a committee convene for a few fractions of a second to agree on a name for the new geth faction, with the options coming down to:
heretic
heathen
Nazarrite
Sarenite
not-the-geth
traitorfaces
If only traitorfaces had won. Legion's LM would have been given a whole new perspective, with his ability to convey emotions with minor inflection, long pauses and slight 'eyebrow' raises.
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