This loyalty mission disturbs me, simply because it is leave a bunch of innocent people to die or forfeit Zaeed's loyalty. I have played both options and don't see how having his loyalty makes a whole hell of a lot of difference. What do you guys say?
Also - did you punch the pyjack?
You can get his loyalty when taking the paragon route by passing a persuade check. Keys to passing the persuade check are 1) do the mission early in the game and 2) import a lot of morality points from ME1.
Alternatively, you can do his loyalty mission after the suicide mission and if you have two other squad members you can leave him to burn.
Or you can just not worry about his loyalty since it is not critical. Just consult the suicide mission guide at the top of this forum for how to manage the suicide mission for as many or as few casualties as you want.
Yup, what Cap said. Also, Yah, I did punch the Pyjak. Didn't see a reason not to 
You don't have to recruit him.
You can recruit him, have him survive the suicide mission and kill him on his loyalty mission.
Recruit him after the suicide mission and do his loyalty mission.
If you play paragon, recruit him early, do his loyalty mission right away, save the workers and he will be convinced to worry about Vito some other time and you gain his loyalty
In my opinion, this loyalto-system is a BIG screwup in Biowares behalf. I'm on the final 3 missions in ME2 now with Jack's and Zaeeds
loyalty indecided. And i cannot do Zaeed's mission without either killing the civilians or losing his loyalty.. And after i help Jack, i can't break up
the fight between Jack and Miranda.. I have all but the final block of Paragon filled - and i still cannot pick certain paragon-choices, and that is BS.
I even went to the Krogan world and bought the deathmask for 10% conversation bonus... no change.
If i have enough Paragon/renegade points to solve a situation in the start of the game, the system should allow me to solve it in the END of
the game with much higher points ... but it doesn't . I've taken all actions as Paragon except for hitting the guy during interogation... and still
not enough points. The system is seriously flawed, broken and downright crap.
If you want to do his loyalty mission on a paragon play through to get him loyal, you must do his loyalty mission later in the game. Like doing his loyalty mission last. You basically half to have your paragon bar maxed.
If you want to do his loyalty mission on a paragon play through to get him loyal, you must do his loyalty mission later in the game. Like doing his loyalty mission last. You basically half to have your paragon bar maxed.
This is not right. You need to do the mission very, very early. The later you wait, the hard it will be to pass the persuade check. There a few threads on the persuasion system around. I would look for those to understand how persuade checks work.
Well it sort of depends, since loyalty checks end up like stair steps for the difficulty... if you just unlocked a new area but didn't talk to many people it is harder than if you wait a little while and accumulate more points.
In any case, you don't have to have every crew-member loyal anyway.
If you want to do his loyalty mission on a paragon play through to get him loyal, you must do his loyalty mission later in the game. Like doing his loyalty mission last. You basically half to have your paragon bar maxed.
Nevermind. I answered the question in an earlier post in the thread.
Well it sort of depends, since loyalty checks end up like stair steps for the difficulty... if you just unlocked a new area but didn't talk to many people it is harder than if you wait a little while and accumulate more points.
In any case, you don't have to have every crew-member loyal anyway.
I should clarify: it is better to do early if you have imported a lot of paragon points from ME1. If not, then it doesn't matter when you do it. Just concentrate on going all paragon at every possible opportunity when you unlock a new area.
I should clarify: it is better to do early if you have imported a lot of paragon points from ME1. If not, then it doesn't matter when you do it. Just concentrate on going all paragon at every possible opportunity when you unlock a new area.
Yeah that's probably a good idea.
Something disturbing about that mission that I just found out recently is that even if you follow the Paragon route, there are burnt corpses laying on the ground of the room where you redirect the fuel. That would mean that you can save some workers from Zaeed's wrath, but not all of them. Or it can be the corpse of a mercenary, who knows?
Well, it WAS a pretty nasty explosion.
Alrighty - did Zed's mission early on (even before getting Garrus 
). Saved the people. Got Zed's loyalty. Had lots of paragon leftovers from ME I guess. Certainly got lots of minerals and metals and money honey. 
Zaeed's loyalty is based more on you staying true to your principles
I went paragon, the target got away and Zaeed was still loyal
Alrighty - did Zed's mission early on (even before getting Garrus
Ha. I just did his loyalty mission (perhaps better called his disloyalty mission) and chose not to take the persuade option even though it was available to me. The persuade option just didn't fit with my current Shepard.
Zaeed's loyalty is based more on you staying true to your principles
I went paragon, the target got away and Zaeed was still loyal
Interestingly, I rarely save the workers. I don't know anything about putting out factory fires. Besides I could just headcanon Shepard sends someone else to do it. I don't know why a biotic in your squad didn't think of just lifting ol Vido over the railing. Biotically pull him off the railing, let him drop and shatter his legs, have Zaeed get revenge, mop up the surviving mercs and dust your hands off of the place.
Beyond that I viewed it as a bit of a Balak situaiton like from the first game. Save a few innocent or take down a big-time criminal. Vido isn't some random jerk. He's the head of the Blue Suns. I viewed it as killing a mob boss. Figured it'd probably be better in a "bigger picture" type deal.
I have all but the final block of Paragon filled - and i still cannot pick certain paragon-choices, and that is BS.
As others have said, it actually has nothing to do with that meter. Only has to do with what percent of possible Paragon points you've gotten.
So someone with 300 Paragon points out of 600 possible will fail checks that someone with 200 points out of 300 can pass.
Choosing to save the refinery and it's workers goes completely against the purpose of the mission. That was Zaeed's mission. His role and Shepard's were reversed. If you can't follow his lead on his mission then how can you ask him to follow your lead on your mission?
Choosing to save the refinery and it's workers goes completely against the purpose of the mission.
According to Zaeed, when you pick him up, the purpose (what he is actually paid for) of the mission is to free the workers and the refinery from the Blue Suns.
According to Zaeed, when you pick him up, the purpose (what he is actually paid for) of the mission is to free the workers and the refinery from the Blue Suns.
It becomes very clear early on in the mission that saving the refinery and/or the workers are not the goal of the mission. Zaeed wants Veto dead. That is the only reason he took the job.
I personally enjoyed the fact that the choice appeared disturbing at first and that Zaeed was an unlikeable character so I was equally disappointed that you could gain his loyalty with enough paragon points. I don't understand why players think they should always be rewarded for going full paragon/renegade. It seems boring and unrealistic to me. Having just recently finished the whole series I am not happy that most of my paragon choices never led to unpleasant situations (rachni, heretic geth, saving council, Balak etc.).
Now in my second insanity ME2 playthrough (my favorite in the series) I chose the renegade option because you get an assault rifle damage upgrade. Paragon gives you heavy weapon extra ammo which is relatively useless. Playing as an engineer I found Zaeed to be invaluable in the early game so I buckled and gave in to his demands !! From a purely combat perspective I might even consider him more useful than Garrus (blashpemy I know...).
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