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[Fredward]

Some of ya'll need to check the entitlement, it's not a crime to want to make money from your work and in this case you gain absolutely nothing but the ability to play faster. It's the epitome of optional.

[JerZey CJ]

Yeah, microtransactions ruin any fun this game could've had. Nothing is entertaining about waiting twenty minutes, going "Ooh, I can actually do something again!" spending thirty seconds making a choice, then being stuck at nothing again. These kinds of games actively discourage you from playing them. These could have, and should have, been a fun text game to hold us over, but it turned into an EA money trap.

[Hobbes]

Some of ya'll need to check the entitlement, it's not a crime to want to make money from your work and in this case you gain absolutely nothing but the ability to play faster. It's the epitome of optional.

True, but there is also nothing wrong with being aware of being offered to you and seeing it for what it is.   

 

Personally I'm just waiting it out and it is pretty fun when I actually get the chance to play, but I mean it is what it is.  $20 for 100 dawn?  That's crazy, that'll only refresh your points 10 times and I'd struggle justifying buying this game as it as a whole for $20.

[Fredward]

True, but there is also nothing wrong with being aware of being offered to you and seeing it for what it is.   

 

What exactly do you see it as?

[veeia]

I've been thinking about it a lot because it actually bothers me that I feel so annoyed by the micro-transactions, because I absolutely do think people should be paid for their work and I'm not against the F2P model and have usually had no problem with the downsides of the F2P option.  

 

I think the biggest problem is that the way it's set up currently is that it's difficult (or it was for me, I'm sure some people picked it up quicker) to learn the game before you start getting the wait times. I can't learn a game if I'm waiting 15 minutes doing something else between every action. I compensated by restarting a few times until I got it, but that was annoying. And it doesn't seem very smart to me on a business level, because you want to hook someone in before you start asking for money, not frustrate them. But if I end up being in the minority on that and most people get it quickly and don't get thrown off and confused by the wait times, then I'll accept that. 

 

For the record, it's not about me not wanting to spend money on microtransactions...because I have done that in other F2P games and been fine with it. But it was always after I had played for awhile and understood the game and what I'd be getting from the money and knew I liked it enough to feel it was worth it. Those were bigger games though, I'm sure, so it may be that this is the only viable way for them to do it. :shrug:

[Applepie_Svk]

EA´s way telling you that they love u...

[VaLe]

So guys, what do we get for beating the game?

[Bann Duncan]

My approach was to use all 20 actions, then to wait until they're all reloaded (though because of this topic I just opened the page and I'm diving back in at 11). Either way, I think I like the idea of doing a few, then going back later than taking a break after each one.

[Hobbes]

What exactly do you see it as?

Do I really have to answer that?

 

Well I don't want to offend anyone because it's their choice and they are welcome to it, but the game is obviously designed around trying to get some people to spend more money than it is worth/what they would normally spend on a game.  I don't want to say a scam, because it isn't really, as people are aware of what they are getting in exchange, but it is I would say a manipulative way to get money.  It hooks people in and then pulls it out from under them, if they want more they have to pay exorbitant amounts.  It's a money making method that relies on taking advantage of people, which has always been a little shady in my books.

 

Again of course, people can spend money on what they like, so nothing against those people personally.  Also the game itself can be somewhat fun played intermittently like I and others have been doing, I just don't think there is any point ignoring whats going on in the background either.

[Swagger7]

The only time I got mad at it was when I just got another action point, only to have it log me out mid-decision and waste one of my cards - a card I hadn't seen before. 

[Fredward]

Do I really have to answer that?

 

Well I don't want to offend anyone because it's their choice and they are welcome to it, but the game is obviously designed around trying to get some people to spend more money than it is worth/what they would normally spend on a game.  I don't want to say a scam, because it isn't really, as people are aware of what they are getting in exchange, but it is I would say a manipulative way to get money.  It hooks people in and then pulls it out from under them, if they want more they have to pay exorbitant amounts.  It's a money making method that relies on taking advantage of people, which has always been a little shady in my books.

 

Again of course, people can spend money on what they like, so nothing against those people personally.  Also the game itself can be somewhat fun played intermittently like I and others have been doing, I just don't think there is any point ignoring whats going on in the background either.

 

Mmmmm yeah I've never really gotten this reasoning, mostly because it turns people into idiots who get hooked on a game and just can't help but throw money at the screen. And then there's the difference between something like the game being capped at a certain level and the like and requiring money to even finish it and this, which is totally optional. Its not being pulled out from under them at all, I imagine to most people who aren't hardcore gamers and have a job or uni or some other responsibility they'd barely even notice the wait. I dunno. It seems like any way in which people seek to make money for their work is going to wind up getting criticism unless everything is a straight up once off payment, which isn't exactly feasible for a browser based game.

[Eledran]

Dunno, I might try it, but I don't really care about it.

 

I still have so damn many games great games to play that I didn't have time to play to be honest: Endless Legend, Alien Isolation, Wolfenstein, and a whole bunch of older ones I didn't get to.

 

Asides from that I still gotta level like 4 chars in SW:TOR before the expansion in that game hits.

 

So a text based waiting game? Errr nah.

[Hobbes]

Mmmmm yeah I've never really gotten this reasoning, mostly because it turns people into idiots who get hooked on a game and just can't help but throw money at the screen. And then there's the difference between something like the game being capped at a certain level and the like and requiring money to even finish it and this, which is totally optional. Its not being pulled out from under them at all, I imagine to most people who aren't hardcore gamers and have a job or uni or some other responsibility they'd barely even notice the wait. I dunno. It seems like any way in which people seek to make money for their work is going to wind up getting criticism unless everything is a straight up once off payment, which isn't exactly feasible for a browser based game.

*shrug*

Optional or not, I suppose I personally just see getting taken advantage of as the same regardless of the mindset of the people who take part.  It obviously happens otherwise things like this wouldn't even exist to begin with.  Yes, a lot of people do not pay money, but the reason why making money like this works is because for a large part, the amounts these individual are paying make up for everyone else.  The game is designed around making you want to be those people.  I'm personally not a fan of that practice.  

 

Something more reasonable would be if they set a flat rate for the game, but I'll admit they'd probably struggle to get people to pay it (although the fact that they need to this practice to make money from the game, to me highlights just how underhanded the whole idea really is).  Another alternative, or a middle road perhaps would be to have the game available for free as it is now and then have a flat rate to then unlock unlimited moves (or perhaps a set amount for each day if unlimited amounts would affect balancing).  Failing that, I think people might be more forgiving if the rates were slightly more reasonable.

[Starwingz]

Okay this is what happen when you send the "guest" away:

Spoiler

"It was a woman, your Grace. Black hair. Cloaked. An apostate. When the guards cornered her she turned into a giant spider, bit one of them and fled over the walls! The guards put two arrows into her as she fled. [...]. Oh, and she dropped this, your Grace." She hands over a knotted staff - the one that belonged to the Empress' 'Occult Advisor'. There are no more eerie incidents at the glassworks. The Scornful Sorceress has learned the price of defying you. What's more, her staff looks splendid on your wall.

 

God she must be so pissed off

 

Hahaha there is equally funny one if you manage to roll her card (which is really rare) if you let her stay

 

Spoiler

Basically one of the options is that you can try to get info on empress from her because you see her drunk with empty wine bottle.

[Heimdall]

This is the exact same model FailbetterGames used for FallenLondon, this was expected and I don't have a problem with it.

[Heimdall]

Hahaha there is equally funny one if you manage to roll her card (which is really rare) if you let her stay
 

Spoiler

Basically one of the options is that you can try to get info on empress from her because you see her drunk with empty wine bottle.

It would be hilarious if Morrigan's staff changes in game according to this

[Cyr8]

It's boring and it sucks. Spent 2 hours on a crappy playthrough and now am done. Unless it has a concrete consequence attached to DAI I don't see myself going back to it.

[FiveThreeTen]

Some of ya'll need to check the entitlement, it's not a crime to want to make money from your work and in this case you gain absolutely nothing but the ability to play faster. It's the epitome of optional.

Herrr, it's not about "entitlement" but people are allowed to voice how they like to consume their hobby.

 

Its not being pulled out from under them at all, I imagine to most people who aren't hardcore gamers and have a job or uni or some other responsibility they'd barely even notice the wait. I dunno. It seems like any way in which people seek to make money for their work is going to wind up getting criticism unless everything is a straight up once off payment, which isn't exactly feasible for a browser based game.

Funnily enough, I notice most people  who buy things in freemiums games are actually what most "hardcore gamers" call "casuals" aka people who play mobiles games like Candy Crush in the transports (so in a way they also can be considered a kind of "hardcore" people). People should absolutely be getting paid for their work, but I have a set income too, in the end, it's up to people to choose how they spend their own money.

And I fail to see how Last Court being a browser game prevents a once off payment.

Hahaha there is equally funny one if you manage to roll her card (which is really rare) if you let her stay

 

Spoiler

Basically one of the options is that you can try to get info on empress from her because you see her drunk with empty wine bottle.

Lol, I will have to try it later. Must finish this PT first, I'm half expecting the crown to send the army to seize my glass shop.

 

It would be hilarious if Morrigan's staff changes in game according to this

It would be a nice touch. A Morrigan who was turned away will have to use a spare broomstick^^

[Shylocken]

Being a fan of old SP book RPG's like The Lone Wolf etc, I was looking forward to this game.

But this waiting for more turns thing is really annoying.

 

Don't think I will will finish the game.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

I found it kinda fun but started my first game just to test. How do you restart the game from start?

[Fredward]

Herrr, it's not about "entitlement" but people are allowed to voice how they like to consume their hobby.

 

Sure and saying you don't like microtransactions is one thing, accusing business who use them of duplicity is another. It's trying to make the practice objectively bad because the person doesn't like it, if they have a objective reason for disliking it it gives them a more solid platform to ask for its removal. But it's not really unethical, since people aren't forced into it (especially not in this case as this is just a timegate and also a leisure activity), no more than the practices of many other businesses.

 

Funnily enough, I notice most people  who buy things in freemiums games are actually what most "hardcore gamers" call "casuals" aka people who play mobiles games like Candy Crush in the transports (so in a way they also can be considered a kind of "hardcore" people). People should absolutely be getting paid for their work, but I have a set income too, in the end, it's up to people to choose how they spend their own money.

 

Don't really see anything objectionable here...

 

And I fail to see how Last Court being a browser game prevents a once off payment.

 

You're right neither do I now that I think about it. Guess this business model is just smarter huh?

[Spider Pig]

I found it kinda fun but started my first game just to test. How do you restart the game from start?

 

Go into the Prepare the Divine tab and you'll see it.

 

I used it a few times so I could understand the game mechanic's better and now the games a lot of fun for me.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Go into the Prepare the Divine tab and you'll see it.

 

I used it a few times so I could understand the game mechanic's better and now the games a lot of fun for me.

I cant seem to get it up Im stuck in the woods :S

[FiveThreeTen]

I cant seem to get it up Im stuck in the woods :S

I think you must get out of the woods first.

[FiveThreeTen]

Sure and saying you don't like microtransactions is one thing, accusing business who use them of duplicity is another. It's trying to make the practice objectively bad because the person doesn't like it, if they have a objective reason for disliking it it gives them a more solid platform to ask for its removal. But it's not really unethical, since people aren't forced into it (especially not in this case as this is just a timegate and also a leisure activity), no more than the practices of many other businesses.

But I was not accusing them of duplicity.

And even if I were, if people think some business practices are unethical, nothing will stop them from thinking it and voicing their opinion because views on money transactions and contracts vastly differ according to one's culture or morals (and income).

 

Me? I just don't like freemiums which hinders your gameplay experience but I don't think that makes the Last Court a pay-to-win (because it's objectively not true) either or some spawn of evil. As you said, buying Dawn is optional, but the set number of actions you can take does hinders your gameplay, so I'm not a fan of its implementation. If a game is designed to have microtransactions, I prefer when it involves cosmetic changes (like in Dota2, and they are doing a load of money without changing the core gameplay experience).