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[Revan Reborn]

Yes. I know Obsidian Entertainment made KotOR II. That really isn't relevant as BioWare was the original developer and sculptor of the Old Republic timeline. Just imagine this for a moment.

 

Frostbite 3. Intense graphical fidelity. Micro and macro destruction for environments. Levolution for massive set pieces. Intense and exciting combat via blaster shootouts or lightsaber duels. Force powers that actually interact and use the environment. Layer all of this next gen technology on top of one of the greatest stories ever told in an RPG with an amazing supporting cast and villain, I am sold.

 

It is unbelievable that a remastered edition for these iconic games hasn't happened or come up in conversation. It has been 10 years since KotOR I released and 10 since KotOR II released. Only EA came make this deal happen due to their exclusive rights to make AAA Star Wars games with Disney. BioWare also has a long history with Star Wars, so it only makes sense that they bring one of the greatest RPG experiences ever made to a new generation to love and enjoy all over again.

 

Who is in support of a remastered KotOR I and KotOR II?

[Taki17]

No Frostbite, please. Keep the good ol' KotOR moddible, tweak the Lyceum engine used in DA2 a little bit, release the modding tools to the community and it'll be perfect.

 

P.S: No DLCs.

[Revan Reborn]

No Frostbite, please. Keep the good ol' KotOR moddible, tweak the Lyceum engine used in DA2 a little bit, release the modding tools to the community and it'll be perfect.

 

P.S: No DLCs.

I'd have to disagree. The gameplay mechanics are so antiquated and behind the times now that KotOR I and KotOR II are barely playable. The entire game needs a massive overhaul, with the story and characters obviously staying intact. The remastered edition would not be a true re-mastery if all they did was include HD textures. That's an HD remake. Not a remastered edition. I want BioWare to go the full nine yards and they already have the tools and the means because of DAI and Frostbite 3. I doubt they even have the assets to use their old in-house engines anymore, let alone would upgrade such archaic tech.

[DeathScepter]

well if they go to far afield, the feel of Kotor 1 and 2 will be missed with the game mechanic.  New is good but it needs to be balanced with the old.

 

 

I don't mind new additions to game mechanics and I will support it fully but conversely it needs to keep the old. Kotor 1 and 2 are fully playable and enjoyable as is but they lack diversity in their game mechanic/Rpg source material they were inspired from.

 

 

For Example, I would love to see Melee Duelist from Kotor Campaign Guide as a fully functional class for Kotor 1 and 2. Well Melee Duelist is a melee weapon centric class that improve the usage of lightsabers, Advanced and Simple Melee Weapons. Also they can add extra attack for either Duel wielding  or single blade usage.

 

 

Jedi has 3 specializations: Jedi Battle Master(a party buffer Jedi Guardian), Jedi Shadow(Stealthy Jedi Sentinel goes undercover to find and remove threats to the galaxy or a given location) and the Jedi Watchman(Jedi Consular that works Law Enforcement to bring peace in a star system)

 

 

Also Adding to the story will be alright while increasing Player's agency thru out the main game will be a good idea. We all have our favorite characters within Kotor 1 and 2. Why not give them more screen time as characters while respecting their essences.

[Revan Reborn]

well if they go to far afield, the feel of Kotor 1 and 2 will be missed with the game mechanic.  New is good but it needs to be balanced with the old.

 

 

I don't mind new additions to game mechanics and I will support it fully but conversely it needs to keep the old. Kotor 1 and 2 are fully playable and enjoyable as is but they lack diversity in their game mechanic/Rpg source material they were inspired from.

 

 

For Example, I would love to see Melee Duelist from Kotor Campaign Guide as a fully functional class for Kotor 1 and 2. Well Melee Duelist is a melee weapon centric class that improve the usage of lightsabers, Advanced and Simple Melee Weapons. Also they can add extra attack for either Duel wielding  or single blade usage.

 

 

Jedi has 3 specializations: Jedi Battle Master(a party buffer Jedi Guardian), Jedi Shadow(Stealthy Jedi Sentinel goes undercover to find and remove threats to the galaxy or a given location) and the Jedi Watchman(Jedi Consular that works Law Enforcement to bring peace in a star system)

 

 

Also Adding to the story will be alright while increasing Player's agency thru out the main game will be a good idea. We all have our favorite characters within Kotor 1 and 2. Why not give them more screen time as characters while respecting their essences.

I personally never liked the combat in KotOR I or KotOR II. It was a strange mixture between real time and turn-based with a queue system for attacks. It was more or less identical to Pre-CU Star Wars Galaxies combat, which was terrible. I don't believe many would mind the combat being overhauled. As long as the story and characters remain intact, that's really what matters anyways.

 

I think implementing more voice overs would be problematic. Not that BioWare couldn't get the talent to return as they generally cycle them through most of their games, but it's a lot of money and a lot of effort. I'd rather the story and missions remain the same while the gameplay and visuals receive the overhaul. If BioWare was to incorporate a combat system similar to DAI where they have tactical view as well as real time combat, I think that would be a nice approach to satisfy those who want something a bit more modern or those who want more of a party-based approach.

[DeathScepter]

just because you don't like it doesn't mean someone has the same opinion.  If they do the remake, many people, not everyone, likes Star Wars Saga Edition, many people like the Kotor 1 and 2 storyline, and many people want something new, so the Remake needs a good balance of all 3 groups.

 

I would love to see a expanded Taris Rakghoul storyline while your character is at Taris. Also Delving into Revan's Memories and play Revan's past and how it relates to the main story. Basicly learning from your past and why you went to the dark side as Revan. Yes I am exluding ToR. Also a New companion after the Revelation scene or expand the team to include new heroes before the Revelation Scene. Also Expanding Ajunta Pall's storyline and having him potentially joining you as a new hero.

[Revan Reborn]

just because you don't like it doesn't mean someone has the same opinion.  If they do the remake, many people, not everyone, likes Star Wars Saga Edition, many people like the Kotor 1 and 2 storyline, and many people want something new, so the Remake needs a good balance of all 3 groups.

 

I would love to see a expanded Taris Rakghoul storyline while your character is at Taris. Also Delving into Revan's Memories and play Revan's past and how it relates to the main story. Basicly learning from your past and why you went to the dark side as Revan. Yes I am exluding ToR. Also a New companion after the Revelation scene or expand the team to include new heroes before the Revelation Scene. Also Expanding Ajunta Pall's storyline and having him potentially joining you as a new hero.

I never stated everyone didn't like the combat system. I do know that many did not based on feedback to BioWare and what many people have stated about the game. Why do you believe the combat in JE was so drastically different from KotOR? But again, this remastered edition wouldn't just be for old fans. It would be for new fans too. What made KotOR special was the stories and characters, not the terrible combat. It would be hard for many to play KotOR today who never played it before if they were subjugated to a combat system that wasn't even that spectacular in 2003. I wound find that unwise and silly.

 

KotOR II and the Revan book do a fantastic job of explaining Revan's past. I do not believe it would be necessary or cost-effective for BioWare to be redundant in their storytelling. I'm certainly a big fan of Revan (if that wasn't already obvious) but KotOR is more a story about his redemption and who he is now rather than what he was before. If they throw in too many flashbacks then I believe it would undermine the story and lose some of the power of the shock when the player realizes that they are the Dark Lord, himself.

 

Ajunta Pall is a dead Sith Lord you meet in his tomb on Korriban. I do not see how it's remotely possible that he could side with you, let alone join the crew of the Ebon Hawk. Again, this is a remastered edition. That generally entails improving the gameplay and the visuals. The story and characters are unlikely to be changed, and quite frankly I don't want them to be. When it comes to BioWare games, the one thing you should never touch is story.

[DeathScepter]

Well Revan novel is not well liked and it is not Drew's best work. Also Revan and Jedi Exile, in my own opinion, shouldn't be touched within the context of ToR.

 

 

There is a difference of removing elements of a story in which I am against and increase Player's agency and adding new story lines to it. Well with the playable flashback if used, Players can choose how to treat them if played or not to play them at all. If played, there would be an option to be confused in why it happen in the first place and ask the Jedi Council and Bastila about these events or even tell them about these flashbacks. Also During the Revelation Scene, the player could embrace that side as Revan or Deny that side if they choose too.

[Revan Reborn]

Well Revan novel is not well liked and it is not Drew's best work. Also Revan and Jedi Exile, in my own opinion, shouldn't be touched within the context of ToR.

 

 

There is a difference of removing elements of a story in which I am against and increase Player's agency and adding new story lines to it. Well with the playable flashback if used, Players can choose how to treat them if played or not to play them at all. If played, there would be an option to be confused in why it happen in the first place and ask the Jedi Council and Bastila about these events or even tell them about these flashbacks. Also During the Revelation Scene, the player could embrace that side as Revan or Deny that side if they choose too.

Everyone I personally know loved the Revan book, so that's really open for debate. The Revan book also precedes SWTOR and really focuses more on wrapping up loose-ends in KotOR I and KotOR II while explaining why Revan fell to the Dark Side to begin with and why he went into the Unknown Regions of space.

 

Again, it wouldn't make sense from a storytelling perspective because Revan has amnesia. He doesn't even learn that he is Revan until he confronts Malak. It would merely undermine the game if more visions were to be added. The player would automatically know they are Revan without even having to encounter Malak.

 

The story and characters are absolutely fine the way they are, and I believe there would be more drama than anything else if BioWare were to tamper with that. They are better off just focusing on reinventing the gameplay and visuals to modern-day standards.

[DeathScepter]

Well True Revan has amnesia and exploring Revan's memories thru gameplay can be bad or good depending how it is handle. And the player should have the choice to engage memory or not. Also Just because Adding more Memories and playing thru, it doesn't mean that the player would always "get" them or have context in the main game. All Force users can have visions of the past regardless of their personal relations to the vision at hand.

[Revan Reborn]

Well True Revan has amnesia and exploring Revan's memories thru gameplay can be bad or good depending how it is handle. And the player should have the choice to engage memory or not. Also Just because Adding more Memories and playing thru, it doesn't mean that the player would always "get" them or have context in the main game. All Force users can have visions of the past regardless of their personal relations to the vision at hand.

I wouldn't mind if these additional visions were included after you beat the game, but again that's just more work and effort for BioWare to have to tackle when so many other facets of the game need to be addressed.

 

It's actually not common at all for most Force users to have visions, unless they are extremely powerful. The visions are also extremely personal, which is why it was strange the protagonist was having them. Why would the protagonist see the visions of Revan and his past? Unless you have some connection to the visions you are having, it's unlikely they will occur. I'm sure Bastila being in close proximity didn't help with the occurrence of the visions either.

[DeathScepter]

Well my idea for Revan's memories game play is that by themselves would provide context to that planet and they will build on each other and Malak will provide the Last unique vision if you played thru them all.

 

Please Review this potential ideas:

 

Taris: A major battle with the Mandalorian battle, able to meet Little Juhani and her dad. Able to witness Juhani's father's death and freeing Juhani from slavers like Xor and meeting Arren Kae and Kreia in a conference in how to deal with the Mandalorians. Also able to influence a younger Jedi Exile and able to carry that Jedi Exile into Kotor 2. Also you get a few jedi working under you

 

Dantioone: Learning bit why Revan and Malak went to search for the Star Forge and possiblity of preventing Mandalore the Ulimate in getting the Star Forge. Also meeting Arren Kae in person and able to flirt with her a great deal regardless of gender.

 

Tattioone: Within Kotor 1, you learn about a Jedi failing in talking to the Sand People and finding a Jedi Master Robes and some crystals. Well that Jedi would be in your group during this time. And Revan mumbling to himself about making a protocol droid and developed a fondness for Hk- Series line. Of course there will be Mandalorian enemies to face

 

WookieeWorld: Stealthy avoiding Wookiees and explaining why Mandalorians in the main game re visiting there for training to fight Jedi. for Revan used a similar tactic to deal the Mandalorians similar

 

Manaan: Darth Bandon mention Revan and Malak used another way to get to the Star Map, well we get to do that.

 

Levathian: Regardless the order, Pc would be bit uneasy for an unknown reason and when Meeting Malak. you play thru where cut Malak's jaw off and violently beat the **** out of Malak and sparing the Jedi Exile and Seviole(a former student of Revan and my fanon character), thus earning the ire of Malak. And PC comes to his senses and a new duel starts again.

 

Korriban: Meeting Ajunta Pall for the First time and darker meeting occur and Ajunta Pall does sometime to Revan's Mind to increase force resistance and will saves. 

 

Lehon: The Darker nature of the Star Forge and its eldritch starship nature. http://tvtropes.org/...ldritchStarship Also Finishing up the Mandalorian War and Dueling Mandalore the Ulimate and Destruction of Malachor 5. Also potentially going to a darker future where is the Star Forge and only the Star forge is the "living" thing in the galaxy. 

[Revan Reborn]

Well my idea for Revan's memories game play is that by themselves would provide context to that planet and they will build on each other and Malak will provide the Last unique vision if you played thru them all.

 

Please Review this potential ideas:

 

Taris: A major battle with the Mandalorian battle, able to meet Little Juhani and her dad. Able to witness Juhani's father's death and freeing Juhani from slavers like Xor and meeting Arren Kae and Kreia in a conference in how to deal with the Mandalorians. Also able to influence a younger Jedi Exile and able to carry that Jedi Exile into Kotor 2. Also you get a few jedi working under you

 

Dantioone: Learning bit why Revan and Malak went to search for the Star Forge and possiblity of preventing Mandalore the Ulimate in getting the Star Forge. Also meeting Arren Kae in person and able to flirt with her a great deal regardless of gender.

 

Tattioone: Within Kotor 1, you learn about a Jedi failing in talking to the Sand People and finding a Jedi Master Robes and some crystals. Well that Jedi would be in your group during this time. And Revan mumbling to himself about making a protocol droid and developed a fondness for Hk- Series line. Of course there will be Mandalorian enemies to face

 

WookieeWorld: Stealthy avoiding Wookiees and explaining why Mandalorians in the main game re visiting there for training to fight Jedi. for Revan used a similar tactic to deal the Mandalorians similar

 

Manaan: Darth Bandon mention Revan and Malak used another way to get to the Star Map, well we get to do that.

 

Levathian: Regardless the order, Pc would be bit uneasy for an unknown reason and when Meeting Malak. you play thru where cut Malak's jaw off and violently beat the **** out of Malak and sparing the Jedi Exile and Seviole(a former student of Revan and my fanon character), thus earning the ire of Malak. And PC comes to his senses and a new duel starts again.

 

Korriban: Meeting Ajunta Pall for the First time and darker meeting occur and Ajunta Pall does sometime to Revan's Mind to increase force resistance and will saves. 

 

Lehon: The Darker nature of the Star Forge and its eldritch starship nature. http://tvtropes.org/...ldritchStarship Also Finishing up the Mandalorian War and Dueling Mandalore the Ulimate and Destruction of Malachor 5. Also potentially going to a darker future where is the Star Forge and only the Star forge is the "living" thing in the galaxy. 

Some interesting ideas here for sure. BioWare could also address the Infinite Empire and the Rakata more if they'd like. I'd also be interested in Revan being able to make a few key decisions during the Mandalorian wars as well as seeing the Jedi Order in isolation of the conflict. A lot of potential here for BioWare to extrapolate from the comics, novels, and even from KotOR II and what Kreia has to say about Revan.

[DeathScepter]

but as long as they don't go overboard with them, my ideas compliment but never replace the main game. If played, the Player would make comments on the visions/memories. Also One of my other ideas is Seviole's Revenge and it has more hours to current planets and adds a few more and you meet up with Seviole and learn the fate of Arren Kae, Arren Kae's relationship with Revan, Kreia and Seviole, Maybe her living due to the villain's obsession with her and the villain is a former Jedi turned Krath High Priest.

[ORTesc]

Agreed. If Fable can be remastered so should Kotor. Jade Empire as well.

[DeathScepter]

as long as there is balance to attract new and old players alike, they should be remastered. Btw, any of my ideas in this threads should be reviewed if you like them or not or if they are stupid or not.

[DeathScepter]

cool about that mod.

[Revan Reborn]

Agreed. If Fable can be remastered so should Kotor. Jade Empire as well.

Absolutely, even though Fable is Lionhead and owned by Microsoft. BioWare should absolutely remaster at least KotOR, and I certainly wouldn't mind a remastered JE either. I feel these franchises have largely been overshadowed by Mass Effect and Dragon Age due to their resounding success (mainly Mass Effect).

 

Can we also have this on Playstation please? And have something similiar to the Dragon Age Keep so that you don't have a shitty world state. Some tank/damage/healer classes would be a nice addition.

@DeathScepter You do realise there is a mod for what you are talking about on Lehon?

The remastered edition would be on all next gen platforms. As far as a world state, decisions weren't imported in the KotOR games, so that wouldn't be necessary. There also is a holy trinity dynamic in the game, especially depending on what kind of Jedi you become.

[DeathScepter]

I do see where Choices Matter:

 

Korriban: whom you left in charge, Redeem Yuthura or not, or killed them all or not

 

Manaan: Your relationship to the Selkath and if you uncover the Sith Plots or not. Sparing the Progeitor or not 

 

Kahyyysk: IF you side with Freyyer or Chundar and how it effects Czerka.

 

Tatioone: I don't know

 

Lehon(unknown): if you side with Bastila or not and effecting the World side in Kotor 2/3

[Revan Reborn]

I do see where Choices Matter:

 

Korriban: whom you left in charge, Redeem Yuthura or not, or killed them all or not

 

Manaan: Your relationship to the Selkath and if you uncover the Sith Plots or not. Sparing the Progeitor or not 

 

Kahyyysk: IF you side with Freyyer or Chundar and how it effects Czerka.

 

Tatioone: I don't know

 

Lehon(unknown): if you side with Bastila or not and effecting the World side in Kotor 2/3

The problem is there are few recurring characters in KotOR II. Outside of Bastila and Canderous, I can't even think of anyone of significance from the first game. You also do not return to any of the previous planets, so continuity with a world state wouldn't really make a lot of sense. BioWare games back then just weren't built with that level of reactivity. The story was essentially done and KotOR II moved to a new threat that wasn't directly linked to the first game.

[ORTesc]

Absolutely, even though Fable is Lionhead and owned by Microsoft. BioWare should absolutely remaster at least KotOR, and I certainly wouldn't mind a remastered JE either. I feel these franchises have largely been overshadowed by Mass Effect and Dragon Age due to their resounding success (mainly Mass Effect).

 

The remastered edition would be on all next gen platforms. As far as a world state, decisions weren't imported in the KotOR games, so that wouldn't be necessary. There also is a holy trinity dynamic in the game, especially depending on what kind of Jedi you become.

 

Fable was just an example of a remaster done right, but Dragon Age Origins held it's own against both Mass Effect 1 and 2. Sadly, 2 decided to go in another direction and ruined those sales numbers. I don't think we'll ever see Kotor 3 until that awful mmo gets shut down, but Jade Empire should really be revisited as should nwn.

[DeathScepter]

An Idea for a Kotor 3, As Revan, you have to collect 3 other Death themed Sith Lords In Order to Defeat the Sith Emperor

 

The Mad Prophet and the Undying Sleep

 

Darth Glov(msp) : He is an virtual unknown Sith Lord during the Jedi Civil War and known for his insanity, he foretold the Death of Darth Malak and put himself into a stasis chamber. Reference a Short Story that Krayt searched for him to unlock his secrets. he is not the sanity person you want to deal with and he has ties to the Sith Emperor.

 

The Undying Spirit

Ajunta Pall: We known him from Kotor 1. No matter what you choose for his fate in Kotor 1, he comes back to Help you regardless. How you treat him in Kotor 1 does matter a great deal. If you respect his slumber or redeem him, he will be quite pleasant, conversely if you fight him, he will have much harsher tone with you.

Yes he will be a zombie similar to Justice in DAO:A.

 

The Starving One:

 

Darth Nihilus: We "rescue" Darth Nihilus from his ship after it was destroyed by the Mandalore the Preserver and his squad. Yes Nihilus is nerf to hell and more manageable to a squadmate level.

 

 

 

 

With Each of these Sith Lords have a key to stopping the Sith Emperor and the Bad Future that is in stored for us. Yes We see the Bad Future and it is pure nightmare fuel. Yeah It is the type of bad future that Sith Emperor kills Sidious, Plagueis, Maul, Dooku, Anakin and the Rest of the Prequel Jedi Council Single handly.

[sawyer95]

if bioware was to do this, they should completely and totally overhaul everything and put it on frostbite 3 engine

[Sephiroth435]

it should be re made for the 360 and xbox one i think i only have it on the xbox 360 cuz im playing the original xbox  game on my 360 which i would love for it to come out for the 360 and xbox one