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[Master Warder Z_]

I figured he'd be assassinated in all honesty, Then he'd become a martyr that some mages might rally under. Would be cool to see.

 

Uh...even Fiona didn't want to touch that.

 

And she's a complete war hawk.

[Pierce Miller]

Why?

 

o.o I mean insane people are insane.

 

Their actions are the result of alien reasoning, their motives are usually outlandish and to top it off, they usually don't bath.

That's my point, There's no reason to hate someone who has no real sense of what they're doing.

[Pierce Miller]

Uh...even Fiona didn't want to touch that.

 

And she's a complete war hawk.

Yeah but there's always radicals. I'd like to see it in any case.

[RobRam10]

I want to see Anders with a beard.

[TK514]

Having him Annul the Circle and then kill himself is the best possible ending for Anders. He helps clean up the mess his idiocy started, at least locally, he won't be regarded as a Martyr, and he receives Justice for the innocents he murdered in the Chantry. Nice and tidy.

[Pierce Miller]

Having him Annul the Circle and then kill himself is the best possible ending for Anders. He helps clean up the mess his idiocy started, at least locally, he won't be regarded as a Martyr, and he receives Justice for the innocents he murdered in the Chantry. Nice and tidy.

He also betrays everything he ever believed in 

[LadyLaLa]

Having him Annul the Circle and then kill himself is the best possible ending for Anders. He helps clean up the mess his idiocy started, at least locally, he won't be regarded as a Martyr, and he receives Justice for the innocents he murdered in the Chantry. Nice and tidy.

And what about the innocents in the Kirkwall circle? Not really tidy for them, just one big spiral of appeasement with nothing changing that needs to change. Annulling a circle means that the apprentices and Tranquil are killed, too, ones that had nothing to do with the dissent and arguments started up by the adult mages. Is that still just?

[herkles]

So then slaughter, imprisonment and universal hatred are justified? Because they might become abominations, See I don't see the logic there.

I never said that they were justified, I was stating fact. Mages have to deal with voices and dreams from the fade all the time. they have to worry all the time about becoming an abomination.  Though speaking of slaughter I could also ask what about the slaughter of the innocent people who were killed by an abomination or through ander's actions? are they justified?

[Vita Brevis]

Best ending? That's the most wtf ending. 

Because if you're gonna do such things - do it properly. Be man enough and finish what you've started.

[Pierce Miller]

I never said that they were justified, I was stating fact. Mages have to deal with voices and dreams from the fade all the time. they have to worry all the time about becoming an abomination.  Though speaking of slaughter I could also ask what about the slaughter of the innocent people who were killed by an abomination or through ander's actions? are they justified?

no but I can sympathise more for a mage, Abominations are people controlled by demons whereas Templars kill whilst in complete control of themselves.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Well then can you blame her? I can't hate someone who's insane.

Neither can I. The fact remains that others need to be protected from them, especially if they have magic.

[LadyLaLa]

Neither can I. The fact remains that others need to be protected from them, especially if they have magic.

True, but not all mages are mentally ill. Heck, in game we meet a muggle who's psychotic, so it's not like it's limited to mages. Mages being shown like this was just more interesting than showing normal people who are mentally ill, but it's clearly not exclusive. We can't assume ALL mages will go insane

[Pierce Miller]

Neither can I. The fact remains that others need to be protected from them, especially if they have magic.

and mages need protected from mundanes.

[LaughingWolf]

I'd also add on that my character is always a mage so I have a particular bias. For others I can see the moral grey areas.

Mages are always just people to me; magic is a tool, just like a sword. I always thought it as magic offers mages a greater potential to be something truly evil and destructive, or something greater and the potential to make Thedas a greater place beyond what non-mages could do.

Mage or non-mage, they're all just people -- its the character of a person that matters.

[Chibi Elemental]

the circle is not a perfect solution but the templars will always be needed in some form as long as there are mages. Templars are the police for them I know mages say we can police themselves but that gives no comfort when you see what happens in tevinter with human sacrifice and blood magic (not all of them do it but it is done) people outside the mages need to in place and they are but as I said the circle solution is hardly ideal for both parties.

[franciscoamell]

I'll be sad to see my Hawke without his bf.

[herkles]

the circle is not a perfect solution but the templars will always be needed in some form as long as there are mages. Templars are the police for them I know mages say we can police themselves but that gives no comfort when you see what happens in tevinter with human sacrifice and blood magic (not all of them do it but it is done) people outside the mages need to in place and they are but as I said the circle solution is hardly ideal for both parties.

 

keep in mind though that the circle system lasted a nearly a 1000 years. Is it perfect, but considering the nature of magic in Thedas, it is very likely the best we got. Though of course things can be made to make templars more like the protectors of both mages and mundanes that they are supposed to be. 

[Chibi Elemental]

keep in mind though that the circle system lasted a nearly a 1000 years. Is it perfect, but considering the nature of magic in Thedas, it is very likely the best we got. Though of course things can be made to make templars more like the protectors of both mages and mundanes that they are supposed to be. 

 

I thought like this I am not saying completely disband them or get rid of them completely. I think it should be more of a collage that you can opt into and a good base for templars and mages to work together, if you do not wish to join a circle than you should not have to but don't be surprised if the templars watch a little closer.

 

 

keep in mind I am pro harrowing, While it is cruel and even those who pass it are still tempted it does give people a bit of confidence that those who pass wont just suddenly become abominations.

[Br3admax]

Royal positions or high ranks? They're not allowed to hold a position of power. Royal Enchanter is basically Court Jester with better clothes

 

A court jester? Let's keep this a little below ridiculous and realise that an arcane advisor is a pretty prestigious position, one that's cushiony and well above the standard of living of most in Thedas. Hell, even a jester is living better than most in Thedas. 

They're seen as weapons to be deployed. They're not seen as human by the Chantry. Just watch the War Council with King Cailin in Origins, the Revered Mother practically bites Uldred's head off when he offers more help (to be fair, it's Uldred, but this is before he's revealed as a bad guy)

I like how this is supported absolutely nowhere anywhere. No one ever says the Chantry doesn't consider mages "human"(or elves) In fact:

 

"Those mages who honor the Maker and keep his laws we welcome as our brothers and sisters."- Divine Justinia I 

 

But then again that would require actually looking at evidence. Something most people, not that I think you do, here refuse to actually do when it concerns anything from mages to Dalish. 

 

 

Coushiny life. I will quote, again from Origins: "...the Templars watching, always watching". No privacy, no freedom to make your own life choices. You fall in love and the Templars notice? That gets used against you

Lol. I'm sorry that I don't compare being watched to dying a sickly death in a field or being a peasant for the rest of your life. Or being raped by the arl's son. Starving to death in hovels. Or being a mage in the lands of the Qun. Forgive me for thinking that compared to literally almost everyone else, mages have it easy. But hey, they do get watched a lot, so I guess everyone has it bad. 

 

How is that not justification for dissent, even rebellion, if you do more than scratch the surface?

 

If you do more than scratch the surface, you'd realise that war war was incited, not asked for, by extremist, and even then they only decided to rebel by one vote. Mages don't care as much as you think they do. 

[Mimilette]

As much as some of my Hawkes love their poor Anders, I doubt he's doing all that good. They'll have to pull something really convincing for me to buy a fully recovered scenario. The happy ending loving part of me kind of wished it'd happen, but realistically, his story is one of a tragic character and it should stay so.

But I do hope we'll see him, because mad or not, it'll probably make things more interesting.

[Inprea]

I like how this is supported absolutely nowhere anywhere. No one ever says the Chantry doesn't consider mages "human"(or elves) In fact:

 

"Those mages who honor the Maker and keep his laws we welcome as our brothers and sisters."- Divine Justinia I 

 

But then again that would require actually looking at evidence. Something most people, not that I think you do, here refuse to actually do when it concerns anything from mages to Dalish. 

 

Cullen, "Mages aren't people like you and me they are weapons."

[LOLandStuff]

Guy was tortured for months, what did you expect?

[Br3admax]

Cullen, "Mages aren't people like you and me they are weapons."

Mages aren't people, like you and me. 

Mages aren't people like you and me. 

 

What's the difference between those two sentences?

Finally, Cullen is a Templar, where as Justinia was a Divine. I wonder who represents the Chantry more. 

[Chibi Elemental]

I would have to agree Cullen's response at that moment was probably not his brightest moment.

[Vita Brevis]

Finally, Cullen is a Templar, where as Justinia was a Divine. I wonder who represents the Chantry more. 

Haha, you honestly think the right answer is the Divine?

 

It's the templars because that's who watches over them and therefore have an impact on their lives, well-being and so on. The Divine is just a word for 99,9% of Thedas, the templars are a cold reality to almost every mage and it's 24/7.