176 réponses à ce sujet

[KaiserShep]

Had they made it clear that he both survived the destruction of the tube, the citadel, going through Earth's atmosphere and landing in London's rubble it would've made a lot of people shudder at how impossible that was.

 

I don't see why it would have to go to such a ridiculous degree if they decided to make a more assuring Shepard-Lives ending. It's perfectly plausible that whatever system held the mass effect bubble that stood between Shepard and the vacuum of space would be intact in a high EMS ending.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

@Linkenski - Shepard is still supposed to be on The Citadel, not in London. This is according to Bioware people.

[KaiserShep]

It'd be pretty funny if a 7.1 billion ton space station just fell on top of London and got glossed over in a few seconds of imagery.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I bet those phone booths would survive.

[KaiserShep]

I would hope so. Those port-o-loos had to withstand World War 3.

[dugbutts]

Not realling saying Reapers are right.  Nor am I saying that the ending was good, because it was handled poorly.  On my first playthrough, before the revised ending just kinda left my numb.  When the revised ending came out and the other DLC, specificly Leviathian, it did not really add anything that was not already implied.  That basically, at some point in the distant past, a apex civilization fell prey to its own hubris, created AI's to stop AI's from killing there slaves; all the while believing they were above the possibility of falling prey to the very event they were trying to prevent.  The DLC really just enumerated and made that point more obvious. 

The whole "no matter my choice I get the same ending, just different light show," is bunk.  Beleive me there is many things wrong with the ending, but the light show is an irrelevant point.  Quick aside, my first shepard, my true shepard, was a street kid from Earth that had to make his own way.  He found the military and liked the order and structure.  In short he was a bad-ass with a heart of gold.  There were just some lines that he would not cross; he could push a man out a window, but not commit genocide (bugs are still creepy).  So when presented with the three choices I really had to think about it. 

Set aside the whole light show argument and think about it like this.

If you do the control/paragon route, you are giving Shepard the power of a God.  Maybe not, but he would certinatly become the most powerful human ever.  Do you trust yourself with that kind of power.  I didn't. 

Do you just destroy the Reapers/renegade route?  If you do Legions side quest, it becomes clear that despite the Quarrians  justified fear, they (Quarrians) were jerks.  The Qurrians come off as paraniod, while the Geth come off as more reasonable.  Sort of.  I worked hard to bring peace to the two factions.  Also EDI.  So could I sacrifice any entire species (genocide) and a good friend (EDI).  I could not do that either.

The third choice, synthesis.  Could I really fundemntaly alter the very DNA of every being in the Galaxy and eevery being to come.  On the very first play through, before the revised edition, this is what I choose.  It would sve the most lives and bring peace.

After the revised ending came out, I played through again and choose the forth ending and this is at the core of my complaint against the ending.

Part 1

[dugbutts]

Part 2

 

This is my main complaint about the ending, why the rush?  If the Catalyst solution no longer functions, then call off the Reapers!  Have Admiral Hackett, Primarch Victus, Wrex, Dalatrass Linron and who ever come together and decied what to do, why leave it in the hands of a man that is half deliourous with pain and emotianal damage. 

One final point, it is made abundantly clear from the begining that Shepard is ot going to make it back.  It is cloaked in the "we cannot win this as a conventianol war,"  phrase that everyone seems to tell you at some point or another.  But it should be abundantly clear that Shepard will not make it through this war. I wish that there had been an option where if you accumulate 10,000 points of war assests (which would require doing every quest and a good deal of time on multiplayer [good for you Bioware as more time on multiplayer=more microtransactions]) you unlocked a special ending scenario.  Oh well, that would have been cool. 

In conlcusion, the ending was handled poorly, but the idea behind it was fairly interesting.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Part 2

 

This is my main complaint about the ending, why the rush?  If the Catalyst solution no longer functions, then call off the Reapers!  Have Admiral Hackett, Primarch Victus, Wrex, Dalatrass Linron and who ever come together and decied what to do, why leave it in the hands of a man that is half deliourous with pain and emotianal damage. 

One final point, it is made abundantly clear from the begining that Shepard is ot going to make it back.  It is cloaked in the "we cannot win this as a conventianol war,"  phrase that everyone seems to tell you at some point or another.  But it should be abundantly clear that Shepard will not make it through this war. I wish that there had been an option where if you accumulate 10,000 points of war assests (which would require doing every quest and a good deal of time on multiplayer [good for you Bioware as more time on multiplayer=more microtransactions]) you unlocked a special ending scenario.  Oh well, that would have been cool. 

In conlcusion, the ending was handled poorly, but the idea behind it was fairly interesting.

 

I've always wondered that to. Why does this decision have to be made on the spot by a guy who is bleeding out? Why can't they discuss a new solution instead of using three arbitrary ones that happen to be laying around on the Crucible (especially when 2/3 aren't really solutions at all). My major one is why don't the Reapers just return to dark space? The Catalyst get to live, keep the already collected species, and can possibly think of a better solution or intervene as required in the future; meanwhile the current cycle doesn't have to blow everything up.

[Treacherous J Slither]

That goes against the Leviathan's mandate of assuring biodiversity in the galaxy.

Is the existence of the Reapers worse than perpetual synthetic stagnancy?

Correct me if im wrong but, the Reaper mandate handed down from Leviathan was to "preserve organic life at all costs." Maybe not word for word but that was about it am I right? My solution does that rather simply and easily.

Where are you getting this need for biodiversity from? Why would the Reapers care about that?

[Vortex13]

I've always wondered that to. Why does this decision have to be made on the spot by a guy who is bleeding out? Why can't they discuss a new solution instead of using three arbitrary ones that happen to be laying around on the Crucible (especially when 2/3 aren't really solutions at all). My major one is why don't the Reapers just return to dark space? The Catalyst get to live, keep the already collected species, and can possibly think of a better solution or intervene as required in the future; meanwhile the current cycle doesn't have to blow everything up.

I have often wondered the same thing myself. When it comes to knowing that synthetic life with always rebel against their creators; the Catalyst has eons of data, and thinks on (estentially) geological timescales. But when it comes to deciding the fate of the galaxy, when presenting the Catalyst with evidence that its solution won't work anymore, well we have to choose right now.



Why the rush? Are synthetics magically going to rise up and kill everyone in the next hour? Day? Year? Is the Geth and Quarian's alliance going to break down and both start genocidal conflict imeditatly unless Shepard picks an ending?



Not only that, but during the entire exchange between the Catalyst and Shepard; when everything is revealed; it won't tell the Reapers to stop attacking. It's asking one, nearly dead person to make a decision with ramifications for the entire galaxy, and if Shepard tries to be sensible and at least ask questions about what each choice does another ship, another thousand lives are lost.

[congokong]

Being one of the minority who was actually satisfied with the ending, it's rather discouraging to visit the ME3 board and see mostly just criticism of its ending on nearly every thread it seems.

[CosmicGnosis]

Being one of the minority who was actually satisfied with the ending, it's rather discouraging to visit the ME3 board and see mostly just criticism of its ending on nearly every thread it seems.

Yeah, the Extended Cut wasn't perfect, but it gave me enough to work with the ending, add a bit of headcanon, and ultimately accept what was likely the original intent. I can't imagine what the writers feel whenever they encounter such vitriol about their story.

[countofhell]

There is actually a possibility that other galaxies have advanced civilizations as the Milky way has its own advanced civilizations. It does not matter if the Reapers say the truth or not.

There is actually the place beyond the Omega 4 relay that is close to the Galaxy's heart and there is a black hole. The reapers could have been organized anywhere in the galaxy so no one could see them.

Remember that the galaxies civilizations see only those in dark space that has light. Small planets, asteroids could have not been seen because they no produce light.

In MET someone says that the Reapers where probably in stasis state so they can preserve energy. In this case they can't be seen by anyone or anything. But of course as many things in MET it has no proof in MET.

 

The fact is that EDI says she has no rules to tell the truth anybody "she" wants so she can "lie". If she can lie why the Reapers can't lie ?

 

 

 

[ImaginaryMatter]

Being one of the minority who was actually satisfied with the ending, it's rather discouraging to visit the ME3 board and see mostly just criticism of its ending on nearly every thread it seems.

 

I'll be more than happy to complain about the game's art direction, level design, pacing, cut scenes, mechanics, or any other wide assortment of topics.

[angol fear]

Being one of the minority who was actually satisfied with the ending, it's rather discouraging to visit the ME3 board and see mostly just criticism of its ending on nearly every thread it seems.

 

Agree. There will always be more people who will come here to complain about Mass Effect 3 than people who like the ending. But it doesn't mean they're right. Actually a lot of problem come from reading, not from the game itself.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

What I dislike about the Reapers' motivation is that it's specifically synthetic/organic fighting that they are supposed to be the solution to. What about all the fighting between organics? Look at the Krogan it's not difficult to believe that they could have caused some serious problems if not for the genophage.

As the civilisations of the galaxy grow they start to expand out to further reaches of the galaxy and create new and possibly dangerous technologies (including AIs but also weapons of mass destruction, biological weapons etc). I could have gone along with that being the motivation. That the Reapers harvest anything of use each cycle and wipe out the rest to make room for new life. To me that makes sense and I might even say that they are right. Imagine if every species that had ever been harvested by the Reapers was still kicking about, the galaxy would be pretty full and it would be difficult for any new species to thrive with older species to compete with.

[Bardox9]

So the Reapers come from dark space.  What if they were right.  What if in there 50000 year cycle they are off in another galaxy fighting a race of even more advanced A.I.s.  What if there are even more dangerous monsters in the void or even another galaxy that the Reapers were trying to protect the galaxy from?  What if the Reapers really thought they were protecting the races of the galaxy?  

Just a thought.  But, I kinda like the idea that there are even bigger monsters out there.

You are indoctrinated....

[SwobyJ]

What I dislike about the Reapers' motivation is that it's specifically synthetic/organic fighting that they are supposed to be the solution to. What about all the fighting between organics? Look at the Krogan it's not difficult to believe that they could have caused some serious problems if not for the genophage.

As the civilisations of the galaxy grow they start to expand out to further reaches of the galaxy and create new and possibly dangerous technologies (including AIs but also weapons of mass destruction, biological weapons etc). I could have gone along with that being the motivation. That the Reapers harvest anything of use each cycle and wipe out the rest to make room for new life. To me that makes sense and I might even say that they are right. Imagine if every species that had ever been harvested by the Reapers was still kicking about, the galaxy would be pretty full and it would be difficult for any new species to thrive with older species to compete with.

 

Their main motivation is synthetic/organic conflict, but I'm sure that other details help in their self-justification. The 'make way for new life' is part of that self-justification. They may very well view that as a boon to the galaxy, and the destruction element of things (a very brief spell in the context of 10k-100ks of years) is the unfortunate downside that they're still working to minimize.

 

Probably ideally to them, if all organics just raised their hands and said "Take me! Make me a Reaper!", they'd just love that. They are our 'salvation'. Reapers. Grim Reapers. Angels of Death. Etc.

 

Ultimately, the Reapers are painted as 'wrong', and not entities to actually surrender to. However, it could be argued that in the longer scale of Mass Effect lore (and possibly for the future games), they are 'correct' about a ton of things. One thing the galaxy must be ready for is the emergence of new organic life, and fitting them in peacefully. The Council system appears to be one of the better systems for this (compared to at least many of the previous cycles, I bet), but it probably could be done even better.

[Winterking]

In the end what does it matter?

 

The cycle of harvesting never really solves the problem, because the problem keeps repeating itself.

 

Even Leviathan says that the Inteligence is still searching for a solution implying that the Reapers are not the final or the ideal solution to the problem. 

[Vortex13]

In the end what does it matter?

 

The cycle of harvesting never really solves the problem, because the problem keeps repeating itself.

 

Even Leviathan says that the Inteligence is still searching for a solution implying that the Reapers are not the final or the ideal solution to the problem. 

 

 

In looking at the big picture does the conflict between organics and synthetics even constitute a problem? Sure the Leviathans found it annoying that their thralls kept killing themselves, but if this issue is so far reaching, so universal would it really be a problem in the same sense that the third law of thermodynamics is a problem?

 

 

A pattern that has repeated constantly over the course of (at least) a billion years would seem to fall into a universal constant; a fundamental fact or law of the cosmos. If that is the case then why even bother with the harvests? It would be like trying to stop a waterfall using nothing but your hands, its an impossible task. If the Catalyst is right, and that organic/synthetic conflict is inevitable, and is an almost verifiable fact of the universe, then nothing can be done to stop it.

 

The harvests seem to be about as effective at combating the problem of conflict as storing coal to stave off the Heat Death of the Universe is.

[dugbutts]

You are indoctrinated....

[dugbutts]

But I can control them

[dorktainian]

@Linkenski - Shepard is still supposed to be on The Citadel, not in London. This is according to Bioware people.

 

Yes he is supposed to be, but the question you should be asking yourself is WHEN the breath scene takes place?

[KaiserShep]

Yes he is supposed to be, but the question you should be asking yourself is WHEN the breath scene takes place?

 

Obviously after the beacon explodes on Eden Prime.

[fhs33721]

Yes he is supposed to be, but the question you should be asking yourself is WHEN the breath scene takes place?

My guess is at 11:24  London time zone.