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The Keep, Morrigan, and the OGB


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One thing the Keep doesn't seem to keep track of that could potentially be problematic in DA:I, is that DA:O allowed the Warden to romance more than one character simultaneously until triggering a confrontation scene. So Morrigan could potentially have been a love interest at one point with the relationship ending during that 'choose' conforntation. Or a relationship could have been started and broken off without another LI being involved.

 

I wonder how Morrigan reveals the backstory of the OGB in DA:I. I hope it isn't reduced to just being the permanent (or sole) love interest of the Warden throghout DA:O or the baby being born simply because the Warden just did the Dark Ritual with an unromanced Morrigan. There should be a third option, where Morrigan was the LI but the relationship didn't last the Warden. Or at least there should be if Morrigan's dialogue on the OGB's origin is fairly detailed.



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I don't see why Morrigan would bring a broken-off relationship up when discussing the DR. I'd think it would be out of character for her to do that, actually.

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I don't see why Morrigan would bring a broken-off relationship up when discussing the DR. I'd think it would be out of character for her to do that, actually.


You mean you don't often bring up decade old relationships in casual conversations with strangers?
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I don't see why Morrigan would bring a broken-off relationship up when discussing the DR. I'd think it would be out of character for her to do that, actually.

 

It depends on how the OGB is mentioned.

 

What I'm hoping is that it isn't implied that the Warden only did the dark ritual to avoid death in any import where Morrigan had been the LI, regardless of the end state of that relationship in DA:O.

 

Presumably the relationship with the Warden is going to be mentioned in DA:I since it appears in the Keep.

 

You mean you don't often bring up decade old relationships in casual conversations with strangers?

 

Does he have any decade old relationships that resulted in children?



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It depends on how the OGB is mentioned.

What I'm hoping is that it isn't implied that the Warden only did the dark ritual to avoid death in any import where Morrigan had been the LI, regardless of the end state of that relationship in DA:O.

Presumably the relationship with the Warden is going to be mentioned in DA:I since it appears in the Keep.


Does he have any decade old relationships that resulted in children?


I think Bioware will dodge the issue by not really featuring the romance at all unless the Warden went through the eluvian.

As to the child comment - I don't think most people bring up their kid's deadbeat father in casual conversations.

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I think Bioware will dodge the issue by not really featuring the romance at all unless the Warden went through the eluvian.

As to the child comment - I don't think most people bring up their kid's deadbeat father in casual conversations.

 

It has been said that Morrigan's appearance in DA:O, while not a companion, is more substantial than a cameo. The trailers would seem to imply that as well, since she has shown in a couple of them. As such I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that at some point during the game she is going to become well acquainted with the Inquisitor. I'd agree with you if she only makes a cameo appearance where the two characters briefly cross paths, but that does not appear to be the case.

 

The two characters may end up having conversation that is deeper than the usual small talk between strangers.



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It has been said that Morrigan's appearance in DA:O, while not a companion, is more substantial than a cameo. The trailers would seem to imply that as well, since she has shown in a couple of them. As such I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that at some point during the game she is going to become well acquainted with the Inquisitor. I'd agree with you if she only makes a cameo appearance where the two characters briefly cross paths, but that does not appear to be the case.

 

The two characters may end up having conversation that is deeper than the usual small talk between strangers.

 

Even if they became BFFs, a conversation about an ex-boyfriend from a decade ago would still not be a necessary thing. That's assuming that the relationship can become friendly at all. Arl Eamon certainly had more than a cameo in DA:O but I wouldn't say that he was someone you could become friends with and share stories about your mutual pasts. 



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Even if they became BFFs, a conversation about an ex-boyfriend from a decade ago would still not be a necessary thing. That's assuming that the relationship can become friendly at all. Arl Eamon certainly had more than a cameo in DA:O but I wouldn't say that he was someone you could become friends with and share stories about your mutual pasts. 

 

Morrigan is going to have the Warden's child in tow. Sure, they could perhaps get away with not discussing the child's origins. But it wouldn't be out of place either if the child's origins came up in conversation at some point in the game.

 

The Keep is akso tracking the relationship status from DA:O. For what other purpose would that be tracked other than it for it to come up in conversation or in the various letters and books and such you can read throughout the game?



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Morrigan is going to have the Warden's child in tow. Sure, they could perhaps get away with not discussing the child's origins. But it wouldn't be out of place either if the child's origins came up in conversation at some point in the game.

 

The Keep is akso tracking the relationship status from DA:O. For what other purpose would that be tracked other than it for it to come up in conversation or in the various letters and books and such you can read throughout the game?

 

For the purpose of influencing how the NPC acts without ever bringing it up. A romance with Morrigan - DR or not - can soften her worldview by quite a bit. That doesn't have to be addressed in-game to have a substantial in-game effect, and it avoids having to go into a conversation that amounts to "Last time, on Dragon Age: Origins..."

 

At least, that's how I think Bioware will be likely to do it, since it's less zot intensive. 



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For the purpose of influencing how the NPC acts without ever bringing it up. A romance with Morrigan - DR or not - can soften her worldview by quite a bit. That doesn't have to be addressed in-game to have a substantial in-game effect, and it avoids having to go into a conversation that amounts to "Last time, on Dragon Age: Origins..."

 

At least, that's how I think Bioware will be likely to do it, since it's less zot intensive. 

 

I'm not convinced it will play out that way, because that isn't how it played out in DA2. Isabela and Leliana for example, can both mention romantic involvement with the Warden. And Leliana was only a cameo, in far less substantial role than Morrigan will presumably hold in DA:I.

 

If that is how they handle it however, then I think the same effect should be present regardless of whether or not the relationship continued after DA:O. Whether the Keep impacts dialogue or just Morrigan's personality, any scenario where the Warden was in a relationship with Morrigan (regardless of current status) shouldn't have the same impact as an unromanced playthrough where the Warden did the DR.



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It depends on how the OGB is mentioned.
 
What I'm hoping is that it isn't implied that the Warden only did the dark ritual to avoid death in any import where Morrigan had been the LI, regardless of the end state of that relationship in DA:O.
 


I'm a bit confused. What else should they be implying? That the Warden just wanted a chance to get into her Robes of Possession one more time?

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I'm not convinced it will play out that way, because that isn't how it played out in DA2. Isabela and Leliana for example, can both mention romantic involvement with the Warden. And Leliana was only a cameo, in far less substantial role than Morrigan will presumably hold in DA:I.

 

If that is how they handle it however, then I think the same effect should be present regardless of whether or not the relationship continued after DA:O. Whether the Keep impacts dialogue or just Morrigan's personality, any scenario where the Warden was in a relationship with Morrigan (regardless of current status) shouldn't have the same impact as an unromanced playthrough where the Warden did the DR.

 

Isabella bragging about a Warden orgy is like.. the most Isabella thing she can do. And as I recall, with Leliana it was a reference to the bardic stories she told? 

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, just that each character seemed to have very character specific reasons for bringing up their either their ex or, in Isabella's case, someone she had sex with.