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[andy6915]

One thing that always bothered me was knowing that my character could one day end up a brain damaged loon because if I ever made them a Templar. But I was playing DAO today as a warrior dwarf and was considering specialization options when it occurred to me that dwarves might be able to be Templars without any fear of lyrium addiction. Dwarves are extremely resistant to the negative affects of lyrium. Not totally immune of course, a certain dwarf's... Reaction in DA2 to red lyrium and the forgetful dwarf in DAO who cut himself on lyrium prove that. But still very resistant. I suspect dwarves could ingest all the lyrium they could and not be the slightest bit affected even after a few decades of it.

 

This thread is relevant to DAI since dwarves are once again playable and Templar is still a specialization.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

theycan lern the skills but being a templar is a religious thing.

[Chibi Elemental]

Also templar rock candy is powerful and always comes with a handle with care warning.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

i hear it turns you blue.

[n7stormrunner]

no, because they would still be affected or they wouldn't become templars at all.

[katerinafm]

i hear it turns you blue.

 

Is that how the smurfs were created

[chr0n0mancer]

Is that how the smurfs were created

It would also explain why dwarves are immune to lyrium. All the ones that weren't turned into smurfs.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

S'what i tell em.

i t dose say it causes shrinkage.  

[Mukora]

Dwarves who work in lyrium mines still become addled by it. So I imagine yes.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Or atleast suffer sideffects to prolonged exposure.

[Augustus Tirion]

Conversations with Alistair in DAO made it pretty clear.

Lyrium is not required to learn the abilities used by Templars.

 

It is, at best, a short cut.

At worst, a method of control by the Chantry. The Chantry addicts their Templars to lyrium (which the Chantry controls the flow of on the surface).

It's not unlike the practice of sex traffickers addicted their slaves to heroin to keep them 'in line'.

[Jaison1986]

I'm surprised dwarfs can be templars at all considering being an templar involves using magic esque abilities that cause spirit damage on enemies. Wich is impossible to dwarfs that have zero afinity to magic.

[pengwin21]

Conversations with Alistair in DAO made it pretty clear.

Lyrium is not required to learn the abilities used by Templars.

 

It is, at best, a short cut.

At worst, a method of control by the Chantry. The Chantry addicts their Templars to lyrium (which the Chantry controls the flow of on the surface).

It's not unlike the practice of sex traffickers addicted their slaves to heroin to keep them 'in line'.

 

This was retconned later- Alistair ends up having to use lyrium in the comics to keep his templar powers.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

But even none mages can use limited magic. dwarves can use limited magic as well.

[andy6915]

This was retconned later- Alistair ends up having to use lyrium in the comics to keep his templar powers.

I just had a thought. What if a single dosage of lyrium is enough for Templar abilities to activate for a long period of time, like a year? The Chantry wants them taking it nonstop so they get addicted, but there's no proof that you need to take it that often. Look at Alistair, he didn't use lyrium once during all of DAO and I assume the last time he took lyrium was just before he became a grey warden. So Alistair can use Templar abilities even a year since he last used lyrium since it's canon that the blight took many months to defeat. He had to do it again in the comics because it's been over a decade, long enough to require another "dose". If I'm right, it means a Templar actually only needs to ingest it yearly at worst. If that's true, addiction can be avoided because you're not taking it enough for the body to become chemically dependent on it. And by stretching the dosages out like that, the mind deterioration likely also doesn't happen.

[n7stormrunner]

I just had a thought. What if a single dosage of lyrium is enough for Templar abilities to activate for a long period of time, like a year? The Chantry wants them taking it nonstop so they get addicted, but there's no proof that you need to take it that often. Look at Alistair, he didn't use lyrium once during all of DAO and I assume the last time he took lyrium was just before he became a grey warden. So Alistair can use Templar abilities even a year since he last used lyrium since it's canon that the blight took many months to defeat. He had to do it again in the comics because it's been over a decade, long enough to require another "dose". If I'm right, it means a Templar actually only needs to ingest it yearly at worst. If that's true, addiction can be avoided because you're not taking it enough for the body to become chemically dependent on it. And by stretching the dosages out like that, the mind deterioration likely also doesn't happen.

 

 

alistair has dragon blood in him too that causes weird stuff on it's own... and darkspawn blood no wonder he is a little odd he has alot of strange thing in his bloodsteam.

[Augustus Tirion]

This was retconned later- Alistair ends up having to use lyrium in the comics to keep his templar powers.

 

From: http://dragonage.wik..._and_continuity

 

Canon and continuity

The epilogues in the Dragon Age game series are not meant to be canonical: they should be treated as rumors or hearsay. Companions such as Oghren or Anders may die depending on the player's character choices, but they become major characters in another campaign, the latter is always a Grey Warden who defects before the events of Dragon Age II.

 

Any story written outside of the game series establish its own canon, regardless of the game events such as Dragon Age: Asunder in which Leliana, Wynne and Shale are alive, or in the Dragon Age: The Silent Grove comic where Alistair is the King of Ferelden. David Gaider explains:

 

The nature of a novel means it must establish its own canon, and the novel's canon has no relation to the game's canon (such as it is). If you wish, think of the novel as an alternate universe where things took a specific path with regards to Wynne or other events. How those events would have played out in the world of your personal game might have been very different. I am not, however, telling that particular story.

 

Gaider also stated that "nothing happening in the novel [...] will directly tie into a future game. They are tangentially related at best."

 

Short version:

Comics series don't establish canon for the game series.

And nothing in DAA or DA2 counters Alistairs revelations in DAO that lyrium is as I stated above.

Not required to use the abilities.

[The Grinning Shark]

Wasn't there a dwarf merchant in DAO that displayed odd behavior because of his constant exposure to lyrium in the past? I mean, they may not get addicted, but they do suffer side effects it seems. 

[n7stormrunner]

From: http://dragonage.wik..._and_continuity

 

Short version:

Comics series don't establish canon for the game series.

And nothing in DAA or DA2 counters Alistairs revelations in DAO that lyrium is as I stated above.

Not required to use the abilities.

 

 

comic don't change world states but it does set the rules the world follow. yes even if some in game say otherwise... are you really surprised alistair had bad info.

 

Wasn't there a dwarf merchant in DAO that displayed odd behavior because of his constant exposure to lyrium in the past? I mean, they may not get addicted, but they do suffer side effects it seems. 

 

 

which happen to be the same as the one  lyrium addiction can cause. see that templar in the denerim market.

[andy6915]

Wasn't there a dwarf merchant in DAO that displayed odd behavior because of his constant exposure to lyrium in the past? I mean, they may not get addicted, but they do suffer side effects it seems. 

That was the forgetful dwarf I mentioned. He got lyrium in his bloodstream, directly. He has lyrium in his actual veins, and all it does it make it a little forgetful and loopy. Humans bleed from their eyeballs just from TOUCHING it. I'd call that some heavy resistance.

[AresKeith]

From: http://dragonage.wik..._and_continuity

 

Short version:

Comics series don't establish canon for the game series.

And nothing in DAA or DA2 counters Alistairs revelations in DAO that lyrium is as I stated above.

Not required to use the abilities.

 

Hmmm the comic does

 

All the comic series and books doesn't do is interfere with your world state

[Augustus Tirion]

 

comic don't change world states but it does set the rules the world follow. yes even if some in game say otherwise... are you really surprised alistair had bad info.

 

 

 

which happen to be the same as the one  lyrium addiction can cause. see that templar in the denerim market.

 

 

Let me repeat part of that...

According to Gaider, "The nature of a novel means it must establish its own canon, and the novel's canon has no relation to the game's canon"

Someone needing lyrium to use those abilities falls within the umbrella of 'canon'.

So, again, I say, the comics don't matter in this regard.

Within the framework of the game series canon, lyrium is not needed as per evidenced by Alistair, who could use Templar abilities but had never even taken lyrium, because he never formally entered the Order.

[n7stormrunner]

Let me repeat part of that...

According to Gaider, "The nature of a novel means it must establish its own canon, and the novel's canon has no relation to the game's canon"

Someone needing lyrium to use those abilities falls within the umbrella of 'canon'.

So, again, I say, the comics don't matter in this regard.

Within the framework of the game series canon, lyrium is not needed as per evidenced by Alistair, who could use Templar abilities but had never even taken lyrium, because he never formally entered the Order.

 

 

well I tried... I'm going back to laughing at narusaku fans now,

[Big I]

This was retconned later- Alistair ends up having to use lyrium in the comics to keep his templar powers.

 Maybe they re-retconned it, because in DA:I Cassandra is a templar spec without needing lyrium; this is explicitly addressed in the talent tree description. Anyway, I always assumed Alistair was using the Taint to power his templar abilities.