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[cap and gown]

Liara during Priority Earth, insanity

 

My current playthrough is all-Liara-all-the-time, insanity. She has hardly ever gone down.

 

Any biotic should welcome Liara on their squad.

[Vazgen]

Liara during Priority Earth, insanity

 

My current playthrough is all-Liara-all-the-time, insanity. She has hardly ever gone down.

 

Any biotic should welcome Liara on their squad.

Ash with Typhoon?  

I don't like playing biotics, maybe that's the reason she ends up dead. A lot.

[cap and gown]

One thing I find curious about Liara's health. If you look at her base value, which is about 260, then switch places with 2 & 6 and that's near the base health of all the other squadmates. I always wondered if that was actually a mistake, and didn't ever get fixed.

 

Her base health is 200. I assume you are looking at her health while playing as a Sentinel that has gotten fitness to 5A. That will make it look like the base is 260 since fitness 5A gives a 30% boost to squad mate health and shields.

[cap and gown]

Ash with Typhoon?

 

 

Hey, I did note that I probably shouldn't have given Ashley that gun.

[birefringent]

Her base health is 200. I assume you are looking at her health while playing as a Sentinel that has gotten fitness to 5A. That will make it look like the base is 260 since fitness 5A gives a 30% boost to squad mate health and shields.

Probably, I always remember 260 in my head regardless what class I'm playing

[DuskWanderer]

Don't mind Morokai, he's a Liara waifu lover.

 

It's true, Javik + Kaidan is one of the best teams out there (Kaidan's good with everyone, Javik needs a biotic Shepard and he's gold). You can kill most teams with Dark Channel -> Area Reave, since most weaker enemies cluster and Reave continues to eat even after it detonates. I actually totalled it up once, and Kaidan does about 4x the damage Liara does, even with the detonation.

 

And that, of course, ignores the Typhoon, which blows Liara's damage potential out seven ways to Sunday. 

 

As for low health, I find it's mostly an issue when fighting Reapers, particularly rachni. She just gets clobbered and clobbered. I played Insanity and brought her on Grunt's mission, she died about a dozen times before I reset and played with Garrus + EDI (EDI died once, Garrus zero). She did okay on Cerberus, but I really had to prioritize the murder turrets. 

 

Liara's skillset is useless, particularly to a biotic Shepard (who biotics are better with anyway) since Shepard can detonate faster than Liara can with Throw. Use Javik with Dark Channel and have a permanent target, or Kaidan with Reave to hurt clusters, and there's no problem (or both, Team Alpha Male Biotic FTW). About the only thing she can do is dangle Husks. 

[Vazgen]

I would not say she's useless, Singularity is one of the best (if not the best) powers for crowd control. It stops Centurions/Marauders from shooting you and lifts unshielded mooks. Throw a Cluster/Lift grenade there and you get a nice combo of biotic explosions It also has an insanely fast cooldown, guess that's why they gave her low health, to balance it a little.

I prefer Javik though because 1) Dark Channel staggers targets it hits (both on leap and initial cast) it also does not need to be recast, you just don't have to sit in cover all day 2) rank 6 of his class power provides very useful shield recharge bonus 3) he has access to assault rifles and Lift Grenades and can to a lot of damage

Kaidan also has shield recharge bonus at rank 6 of Alliance Officer. Combining him with Javik, Fitness shield recharge bonus, Kassa Fabrication chest, Capacitor Helmet, Miniaturized Armor Capacitors intel and Fortification/Barrier/Defense Matrix shield recharge bonus results in an insanely fast shield recharge. It basically starts to recharge the moment you stop being shot at Plus, Kaidan has Reave that works great against barriers, primes targets and gives him more survivability.

I avoid Typhoon, it's way too overpowered for my liking. My squadmates usually use Mattock (Javik uses Particle Rifle because of lore reasons)

[Livi14]

True. However, with that low health I spend half the time reviving her. I prefer Javik for biotic squadmate. Javik + Kaidan is one of the best squadmate combos IMO. 
I also don't like playing biotics, so Liara kinda loses some of her usefulness for me. The main reason I don't use her is squishiness though, she dies too much. Squadmate AI is sometimes stupid, but other squadmates can get away with it. Liara can't
 
Played it today. Aria is broken as hell

 
Liara's lower health is a minor annoyance at best with even the minimum amount of micromanagement. I've never been an engineer or soldier, but with a biotic Shepard it just becomes disgustingly easy with Liara. If I am on Insanity, she is a must for some of the harder missions.

And yes, Aria's biotics are insanely overpowered

[themikefest]

I stick with Ashley and James whether I play this class or that class. 

[Vazgen]

 

Liara's lower health is a minor annoyance at best with even the minimum amount of micromanagement. I've never been an engineer or soldier, but with a biotic Shepard it just becomes disgustingly easy with Liara. If I am on Insanity, she is a must for some of the harder missions.

And yes, Aria's biotics are insanely overpowered 

Thessia gameplay

Everything works fine until a hint of danger. After that I'm stuck with reviving her. Notice how Javik doesn't go down even once, even when cornered by a Banshee. 

I used her as a detonator, perhaps if I used her Singularity instead it would've ended up being different. 

[birefringent]

I usually prefer using Liara's stasis bubble. I tend to get annoyed every time I can't get shielded targets with singularity. StasisB captures them very nicely for BOOM. Also gets the guardians even if they are carrying a shield. Don't even mind the longer cooldown since the bubble stays for quite some time capturing groups of mooks

[cap and gown]

 

 

Thessia gameplay

Everything works fine until a hint of danger. After that I'm stuck with reviving her. Notice how Javik doesn't go down even once, even when cornered by a Banshee. 

I used her as a detonator, perhaps if I used her Singularity instead it would've ended up being different. 

 

 

In a squad based game you don't manage your squad yet complain that some of them go down? Liara does just fine if you spend just a second managing her. Thessia pt 1, Thessia pt 2.

[themikefest]

The biggest issue I have with t'soni is when I put her in cover, she doesn't want to stay and ends up getting killed a few seconds later. Whats the point of having a squadmate if they don't stay in cover?

[Vazgen]

In a squad based game you don't manage your squad yet complain that some of them go down? Liara does just fine if you spend just a second managing her. Thessia pt 1, Thessia pt 2.

So I have to babysit her for her to be effective? That's why I don't use her. Javik is doing just fine as well as any other squadmate. You don't have to micromanage squadmates for them to be effective in any squad-based game I played, including ME1, ME2, Dragon Age Origins, Conflict:Vietnam etc.

[RedCaesar97]

Liara + Adept/Sentinel Shepard makes the game a joke. Liara is only really terrible against Kai Leng who is immune to all her biotics.

 

As for some of you complaining that she goes down way too much... then get in front of her. You should be doing that anyway. Only some of the N7 missions will be painful with her since the enemies tend to spawn in weird locations sometimes and squadmate pathfinding is awful on those missions.

 

As for the "typhoon is awesome" argument. Not much of an argument when it is completely broken on squadmates and it still will not kill as fast as a decent Shepard can.

 

I've given squadmates the Typhoon before, and apart from the Armax Arena (where enemies have less health and shields than then main game), I can still kill enemies faster than they can. A halfway decent gun plus power combos can wreck a lot of enemies before they can even ramp up the Typhoon.

[themikefest]

It would help if she stays in cover where I position her instead of jumping in the line of fire and dying. I have no problem with others staying in cover, its t'soni who has a problem staying in cover.

[BurningBlood]

So I have to babysit her for her to be effective? That's why I don't use her. Javik is doing just fine as well as any other squadmate. You don't have to micromanage squadmates for them to be effective in any squad-based game I played, including ME1, ME2, Dragon Age Origins, Conflict:Vietnam etc.

In ME1 unattended squadmates would routinely stand in the open under fire and get mowed down almost as fast as Jenkins.

 

DA:O gives you a tactics menu for your squadmates, which is just an alternate means of micro-managing them.  Without using either the tactics menu or constant pausing and direct commands, DA:O squadmates were idiotically useless.

 

In my own experience, at least.

[RedCaesar97]

One thing I am genuinely curious about is how some of you complain that Liara seems to go down constantly.

 

Seriously. About 1/2 to 2/3 (or even more) of the enemies on most missions have just health. Liara's Singularity can typically have a sub-4 second cooldown (typically around 3.5 seconds for me). Same with Javik's Pull.

 

If you are a Sentinel or Adept, you have throw. Typical encounter goes like this:

Liara Singularity > Shepard Throw > Javik Pull > Shepard throw > repeat until everything is dead. You rarely need to use guns. Hard for Liara to go down if all the enemies cannot even stand. Same with all the other squadmates.

 

I have no issues with Liara. She goes down at about the same rate as all the other squadmates I have.

 

Even when I do take her on a non-biotic class, same thing. I just have her Singularity everything on health so fewer enemies are shooting at me and Kill everything else. 

[cap and gown]

. Liara is only really terrible against Kai Leng who is immune to all her biotics.

 

Won't her Warp detonate a tech burst on him?

 

Added: and prime a BE?

[themikefest]

She dies becasuse she doesn't stay in cover when I position her behind cover. As I said, the others have no problem staying in cover, its her that has a problem staying cover.  But whatever, I stick with James and Ashley. I don't have to babysit them and I finish the game quicker.

[Vazgen]

In ME1 unattended squadmates would routinely stand in the open under fire and get mowed down almost as fast as Jenkins.

DA:O gives you a tactics menu for your squadmates, which is just an alternate means of micro-managing them. Without using either the tactics menu or constant pausing and direct commands, DA:O squadmates were idiotically useless.

In my own experience, at least.

Our experience seems to be completely different. In ME1-ME3 I almost never pause combat with tactical screen and it works fine for me. I always play on Insanity. In DA: O I only used tactical overview to administer potions and for initial surprise attack, otherwise I just controlled my Warden. I never bothered with custom tactics, default ones were good enough for me. My team was Allistair, Leliana, Morrigan

Liara+Adept/Sentinel Shepard make the game a joke.

As for some of you complaining that she goes down way too much... then get in front of her. You should be doing that anyway.

So does Javik+Adept/Sentinel Shepard. Biotic combos tend to do that.

Why? I don't bring squadmates for missions so I have to worry about their well-being all the time. They are supposed to help me fight not to get me in harm's way so they don't go down.

[Mordokai]

Name a squadmate with less health, even when she has her class power fully evolved for health and shields. Asari are so squishy

 

Irrelevant. Check MP. Any asari kit will utterly trash any faction, with no fitness whatsoever, if played by a good player. Liara is much the same, only she's a little squishier. She also suffers from major power creep, when compared to MP characters. Her Singularity doesn't prime defended targets, which it does in MP. She doesn't have Throw to detonate her own BEs on armored targets, which makes no sense, seeing she can spawn miniature black holes every two seconds, stop enemies in their tracks and disintegrate them at molecular level. If she had all that, she'd be beastly overpowered and she's pretty damn strong as it is.

 

Despite that, she's still useful in combination with Shepard of any class and with any other squadmate. She's the only party member(sans Citadel DLC and adeptShep) with Warp. She's the only one able to detonate all kinds of combos, thanks to that. If you take everything else but Warp away from her, she's still viable choice for the party. Count in Stasis and Singularity and she's able to contribute plenty. Sure, she requires more micromanagement than any other squadie and that may not be to your taste. I can get behind that. But to call her the weakest squad member... yeah, no go.

 

I would call her the strongest one, but I'm clearly biased. You are too. Hope you can recognize that.

[Vazgen]

I'm not biased against her character or race, my bias comes from my playstyle and her usefulness for that playstyle. She's clearly the weakest in terms of health and shields, there is no denying that. Whether her powers and low cooldown outweigh that shortcoming is up to the player to decide. I have a few reasons I don't use her in a squad

1) if playing a non-biotic class (which I do pretty much all the time), she needs to act as both primer and detonator if no other biotics are present. She can definitely do it with powers at her disposal, but when facing a Banshee or a Brute she just needs to survive. Javik does a better job at this, even if he deals a little less damage overall.

If she's paired with Javik, she acts as a great detonator - Dark Channel, detonate with Liara's Warp, jumps to another target, detonate again etc. However, if she goes down against a tough opponent like a Banshee or a Harvester you are left with only a primer as Lift Grenades don't seem to detonate biotic combos on protected targets. And she goes down in pretty much every fight with such opponents, at least in my game.

2) if playing an Adept/Sentinel, I find Javik to be more useful since you can do the aforementioned combo with your Throw replacing Liara's Warp.

3) (a bit of RP reason) I don't like taking such a valuable asset as a Shadow Broker to fight some mooks, she's too important to risk her.

 

She is the ultimate glass canon in ME3 single player. If you like having such a squadmate with you, by all means, take her. I just don't.

My next trilogy run will involve a lot of micromanaging. I'm going to focus on controlling my squadmates for a more "commander" feel. Perhaps I'll appreciate her more that way.

[Mordokai]

There is a huge difference between this...

 

She's clearly the weakest in terms of health and shields, there is no denying that.

 

...and this...

 

The weakest squadmate is Liara

 

The former, I have no problem with, since its just about as specific as it gets. The latter is too broad and that I do have problem with.

[Daemul]

Liara is alright, but even as a Vanguard, I don't use her except for missions you need to take her on. I prefer to use James and Ashley and brute force my way through the game, it's much more effective and much faster than with Liara.