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[Muspade]

In the middle of the war with darkspawns when the country needs to be united?

I do not think that nobility has months time to haggle over who will be the new king.
 

BTW: Anora is queen and she is not noble birth.

It has plenty of time afterwards, though.

Anora ruled before Alistair and was essentially the one running the country before Cailan died. Guess how the nobles still want her to be on the throne? Because she was good at ruling. 

 

Doesn't matter that she Is not of noble birth, as she is a noble now and a good ruler. (Unless she Is locked up)

P.S Shianni dies if she Is made a noble. Take that as reference to their unwillingness to allow things they don't like on the Throne.

[Felya87]

Alistair breaking up with a non HN Warden fell always so out of character from him... It always felt as if it wasn't him talking. (really, when have he ever taken a hard decision in the entire game?! When did he agree to take a decision that could make people suffer?)

[LonewandererD]

I highly doubt the Inquisition would get any kind of high nobility title for their actions. The Inquisition by the Lore is mostly a neutral faction that is actually not looked on too favourably by the nobility; the nobility know that the Inquisition isn't by default going to favour them and could get all up in their faces if the need arises.

 

-D-

[herkles]

In the middle of the war with darkspawns when the country needs to be united?

I do not think that nobility has months time to haggle over who will be the new king.
 

BTW: Anora is queen and she is not noble birth.
So "at least" human female mage should be able marry Alistair.

except that in thedas mages do not hold political power, at least not officially. Fereldan is a fedual society, it is not an absolute monarchy where the king is the state. The landsmeet elected their king, similar to the Anglo-Saxon witenagemot. There are rules to politics and politics can be unfair.  The fact that the Landsmeet is able to elect their ruler proves that the king can't do this sort of thing. The nobles are prejudice against non-humans and against mages, not to mention the fact mages are legally forbidden from holding power is just reason enough. 

 

As for Anora, they elect her. Similar to the Witnagemot, the Landsmeet mainly elects and confirms members of the Therin Bloodline. However, Anora can be elected queen. Just the same in the witenagemot mainly kept to the Cerdicing Dynasty, however a few times they branced out to people who married in like Anora did or from another House all together, ie Penda of Mercia. 

 

 

My main issue is for the Dwarf Noble. Your origin is your coming of age rite goes wrong as you are rightfully or wrongly said to murder your older brother. You spend IMO the same amount of time in Orzammar doing stuff for the dwarves as you do for the humans in Denerim. A lot of the decisions have more impact in Orzammar for the dwarven character. However at the end you do not get the chance to rule. I would have been happy with just a simple opition. do you plan to follow traditions(ie be like harrowmount) or plan to carve a new path into the future(ie Bhalen)? this would have been fine and I would be happy, but nope no ruling orzamar for DNs.

 

The Dwarf Commoner on the other hand could never rule, he/she is casteless. On the other hand, your sister becomes the mistress of Bhalen and could give birth to a son. While it is not the same, it still is meaningful. I would have liked the opition to take the Carta over though

[Super Drone]

Alistair is an idiot. He would make a good king because he's strong and charismatic and has a legitimate claim to the line of Calenhad, but let's face it kids, Eamon or Anora or The Warden will be the power behind the throne making the leadership decisions.

 

Plus, he's a bastard. That would disqualify him for succession under any other circumstances that didn't involve the only other contender being a common-born woman. He  needs to not ****** off the Bannorn. He can't do whatever he wants, because nobles don't just grumble and fall in line, they freaking send assassins and start uprisings (*cough*Logain*cough*)

 

I swear, I think Bioware games do something to people's sense of entitlement and expectation. It's like you think being the PC gives you mind-control powers.  

[Nefla]

Does that mean Sebastian broke up with my mage Hawke?

[Zjarcal]

Lol, "best ending"...

[Muspade]

Alistair is an idiot. He would make a good king because he's strong and charismatic and has a legitimate claim to the line of Calenhad, but let's face it kids, Eamon or Anora or The Warden will be the power behind the throne making the leadership decisions.

Except If he is hardened, then he get's less idiot overtime.

[Leo]

Does that mean Sebastian broke up with my mage Hawke?

 

I wonder if that'll be brought up at all, seeing as the only way for Hawke to become princess of Starkhaven is by going down the Rival path with Sebastian (which isn't acknowledged in the Keep).

[herkles]

I wonder if that'll be brought up at all, seeing as the only way for Hawke to become princess of Starkhaven is by going down the Rival path with Sebastian (which isn't acknowledged in the Keep).

I am actually curious about this too, as my hawke romanced Sebastian. What sort of state he would be in, considering he was unsure of what route to take, then again the chantry explosion and the following mage-templar war might have changed him a bit to try and gain control of Starkhavan. 

[X Equestris]

In the middle of the war with darkspawns when the country needs to be united?

I do not think that nobility has months time to haggle over who will be the new king.
 

BTW: Anora is queen and she is not noble birth.
So "at least" human female mage should be able marry Alistair.

Alistair probably wouldn't be deposed until after the Blight, since that is when any prospective marriage takes place anyway.

Mages are legally prohibited from holding political power in southern Thedas, so that is one strike against a female human mage. Strike two is the stigma against mages. Strike three is the lack of political benefits. Marrying Alistair with a Cousland combines the lines of two of Ferelden's most respected families, but marrying a mage provides no such benefits.

[Nefla]

I wonder if that'll be brought up at all, seeing as the only way for Hawke to become princess of Starkhaven is by going down the Rival path with Sebastian (which isn't acknowledged in the Keep).

Isn't she still technically a princess if she marries him on the friendship path? They are just in exile but have the possibility of reclaiming Starkhaven? Either way I hope it's brought up

[Leo]

Isn't she still technically a princess if she marries him on the friendship path? They are just in exile but have the possibility of reclaiming Starkhaven? Either way I hope it's brought up

 

I actually don't know. I always interpreted the friendship path as just a simple marriage, and that Sebastian was staying as a Chantry brother with no intention of pursuing his title of Starkhaven Prince.

 

I also hope Hawke romancing Sebastian  comes up.

[HairyMadDog1010]

You need to remember a few things op. Yes while in DA:O only the human noble can become a ruler of Ferelden it is not the "best" ending. You may think it is the best but it is never recognized as such by the writers, and is entirely subjective. Remember that a dwarf both common and noble becomes what is essentially a living god at the end of the game. By your own logic this would be the best ending.

 

Also remember that the Inquisition basically becomes its own nation with you as it's leader that controls massive parts of Ferelden and Orlais. Seeing as how you already control your own kingdom its not like someone can take it away because you are a mage or not human.

[SirGladiator]

I agree with the OP, I definitely want all characters to be able to get the best ending in DAI, whatever that might be.  It doesn't really matter what somebody else considers 'realistic', certainly I could easily see, back in the DAO days, an elf, dwarf, or mage Warden being an entirely realistic King or Queen of Ferelden, because they're the hero that defeated the blight.  The idea that someone who saved the entire country would then rule it sure seems realistic to me .  And it doesn't even matter if somebody thinks that isn't realistic, because if they feel that way they can easily choose one of the other endings, so it doesn't negatively impact anybody who doesn't like the idea.  So if somebody finds the idea of (insert race/sex/class here) getting the best ending in DAI to be 'unrealistic' for whatever reason, then that's fine, because so long as those of us who 'do' find it realistic get that option, we don't mind a bit if you choose something else .

[dekarserverbot]

It makes absolute sense to me. I mean there's no way a non-human or mage would be the ruler of a human kingdom in DA, it would be completely lore-breaking.  

 

What about being queen/king in Orzammar?

[Leo]

What about being queen/king in Orzammar?

 

You're known as a fratricide, and had been stricken from the records, so you aren't really a candidate.

[veeia]

Dwarven Nobles absolutely should have at least had the chance to try to get the crown (in Orzammar), even if Bioware felt they needed to fail, because not even having that be a real option to try to do that feels like a huge oversight..especially when considered next to Cousland. 

 

Otherwise, I can't see an elf/mage/dwarf ruling Thedas alongside Anora/Alistair...not because of Feraldan racism, but because a King/Queen who wasn't reliant on (and thus protective of) the status quo of the noble human society threatens the power of the people who would have to accept it.

 

Also there is no "best ending" to DA:O. 

[Lumix19]

Who wants to rule over Fereldan anyway? It's far too brown.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Warden-Commander is a pretty influential title, I'd say. I'll never forget that rescue mission in Awakening where you could tell those kidnappers...

"They sent the Commander of the Grey." in a cool intimidating way.

[WhoopinYourA55Mate]

Lets see...

For queen you marry Alistair...but to be king or better to say king-consort my male Warden needs to marry Anora right?Best Ending?

As Alistair once said "I would rather marry with Archdemon" then with Anora.

[KaiserShep]

My human noble ended up wandering Thedas after killing the Architect and Mother with Leliana, rather than wasting time sitting next to Alistair when Anora could do the same thing with more enthusiasm. That's my best ending right there.

 

Anyway, I think that the possible outcomes should stay true to the general constraints of a certain race or class. I don't mind an exception under certain circumstances, but I'd rather it not feel like a total power fantasy free-for-all.

[Eveangaline]

Pft. A human can end up as a queen/king?

 

A dwarf always ends up as a Paragon. And what is a ruler to a god?

[KaiserShep]

Bah. The gods among the shortmouths are etching in nug filth-ridden rock to everyone else.

[Hair Serious Business]

Lets see...

For queen you marry Alistair...but to be king or better to say king-consort my male Warden needs to marry Anora right?Best Ending?

As Alistair once said "I would rather marry with Archdemon" then with Anora.

 

This reminded me on something I saw...

Pft. A human can end up as a queen/king?

 

A dwarf always ends up as a Paragon. And what is a ruler to a god?

 

And better then being marry Anora in every aspect