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[Sinuphro]

lol a human noble married to anora, with leilana as his LI and did the ritual with morrigan....imagine all 3 women having the wardens child....oh boy...complications....

[Gothfather]

 

Dragon Age: Origins was very good game.
But I always hated the fact that only human non-Mage can achieve the best end.
 

Minor changes in the dialogues, alternative completion of quests or race restriction for romances, this is all fine.
But hide the best ending for one race and one class, that's a bit much. ( It scares me the fact that human is a noble again. )

 

Can we expect similar unfair advantage in Dragon Age: Inqusition?

 

 

QQ Bioware created an world were not everyone in the fictional world is treated fair. How outragous that I have to make a choice magic or political power.  Its so unfair that Bioware wanted to have themes of discrimination that actually discriminate against the player.

 

[stomps feet] I want my Elf mage to be queen/king to be king of the whole world!

 

I love how players say they want choice but its such a lie what they really want is consequence free choice.

 

Thedas isn't fair don't expect it to be fair.

[robertthebard]

In the middle of the war with darkspawns when the country needs to be united?

I do not think that nobility has months time to haggle over who will be the new king.
 

BTW: Anora is queen and she is not noble birth.
So "at least" human female mage should be able marry Alistair.

You really didn't pay attention during the story, did you? A mage cannot be King or Queen. That's a sure fire way to have the Chantry raining all sorts of retribution down on you. Whether you obey/respect the tenets or not, the majority of Ferelden does, and since the wedding is post Blight, they'll have plenty of time to replace you.

[dekarserverbot]

You're known as a fratricide, and had been stricken from the records, so you aren't really a candidate.

 

and yet you can put the REAL fraticide, treacherous, cheater and  uncharismatic one as king... mexican politics anyone?

[aTigerslunch]

Meh, not my best ending, might been OPs, but far from my own.  

[Fast Jimmy]

.......... I don't really see what the point of this thread is. We're not going to be able to romance anyone of nobility from Orlais or Ferelden, so how would the Inquisitor be able to become a king/queen in the first place? Maybe emperor/ess of Orlais, but I highly doubt that. Why would BW allow the Inquisitor the option to marry Celene/Gaspard in the first place?

Anora wasn't a romance option, either, in DA:O. Yet we are given the option to marry her and join her on the throne. As to why - options.

[Semyaza82]

I agree with the OP, I definitely want all characters to be able to get the best ending in DAI, whatever that might be.  It doesn't really matter what somebody else considers 'realistic', certainly I could easily see, back in the DAO days, an elf, dwarf, or mage Warden being an entirely realistic King or Queen of Ferelden, because they're the hero that defeated the blight.  The idea that someone who saved the entire country would then rule it sure seems realistic to me .  And it doesn't even matter if somebody thinks that isn't realistic, because if they feel that way they can easily choose one of the other endings, so it doesn't negatively impact anybody who doesn't like the idea.  So if somebody finds the idea of (insert race/sex/class here) getting the best ending in DAI to be 'unrealistic' for whatever reason, then that's fine, because so long as those of us who 'do' find it realistic get that option, we don't mind a bit if you choose something else .

   I can see where you are coming from in terms of 'if you don't like just don't pick that option' but I have to disagree. The idea of an elf, dwarf, or mage becoming Quenn/King is clearly against the lore of the setting. That's why you can't do it - they didn't just forget to put it in. Having it in there would have detracted from the story for me in the same way as having any lore breaking options would have done.

   Fantasy and sci-fi setting are (obviously) completely fictitious, there is no problem creating creatures, magic, or a whole host of others things to put into that world. However, any good fantasy setting has to remain consistent to its own lore or it just becomes a hot mess.

[BronzTrooper]

Anora wasn't a romance option, either, in DA:O. Yet we are given the option to marry her and join her on the throne. As to why - options.

 

tbf, you didn't even have to romance Alistair to become queen as a f!Cousland, iirc.  Also: I meant plot-wise.

[Umbar]

P.S Shianni dies if she Is made a noble. Take that as reference to their unwillingness to allow things they don't like on the Throne.

 

Wait, what?! Is that canon? Where did you find this out?

[Semyaza82]

 

P.S Shianni dies if she Is made a noble. Take that as reference to their unwillingness to allow things they don't like on the Throne.

 

Wait, what?! Is that canon? Where did you find this out?

 

Yep, its in the epilogue, you can have a look at all the possible endings out comes at the DA wiki here (obviously big spoilers for DA:O)

[R0vena]

Yep, its in the epilogue, you can have a look at all the possible endings out comes at the DA wiki here (obviously big spoilers for DA:O)

The epilogue should be taken with the grain of salt now days, since it was all just rumors, apparently.

So, it is possible the events with Shianni never happened or happened differently.

[Fast Jimmy]

tbf, you didn't even have to romance Alistair to become queen as a f!Cousland, iirc. Also: I meant plot-wise.

Well, I think it was try to address the elephant in the room that a noble Warden would have some leg to stand on - after all, with Allistair, it's a huge plot point.

I think it would have been better if similar options were present for the other Origins. Uniting your clan and the Brecilian one if you were a Dalish, or being able to assume the throne as a Dwarven noble, or take over the Carta as a dwarf commoner, etc. These make just as much sense as a noble assuming the throne throuh marriage, but we don't see it present itself.

[Leo]

and yet you can put the REAL fraticide, treacherous, cheater and  uncharismatic one as king... mexican politics anyone?

 

Bhelen is really good at Dwarven politics, seeing as how he gets away with his scheme to get rid of both his elder siblings with only Harrowmont being the one to question him. I honestly wouldn't put Bhelen down as uncharismatic.

[Milan92]

 

Dragon Age: Origins was very good game.
But I always hated the fact that only human non-Mage can achieve the best end.
 

Minor changes in the dialogues, alternative completion of quests or race restriction for romances, this is all fine.
But hide the best ending for one race and one class, that's a bit much. ( It scares me the fact that human is a noble again. )

 

Can we expect similar unfair advantage in Dragon Age: Inqusition?

 

 

Gaider has already confirmed that there won't be political marriage options in this game.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

maybe the next game will be different 

[Edvin]

Gaider has already confirmed that there won't be political marriage options in this game.

Thank you very much! Finally useful information.
Can you remember where you read it?

[BioWareM0d13]

Story and lore > ego stroking the player

 

If you really must have your character be king, play another class.

[Edvin]

Story and lore > ego stroking the player

 

If you really must have your character be king, play another class.

According to "lore" is bullshit even a human noble king, because the gray wardens do not have titles.

[Aurok]

Divine or whatever the future equivalent of that ends up being is surely the top job this time around, if any. And it could well be available to a non-human or a mage. It's not unlikely that an exception would be made if the general populace genuinely considers you to have been sent by Andraste / The Maker to save the world, and then you do exactly that, while ending the Mage / Templar war in your spare time.

 

I doubt you would even really be thought of as a Qunari (etc.) or a Mage at that point per se; you'd be considered a demigod who just happens to inhabit the body of a Qunari (etc.) and/or be able to 'do magic' in the same sense that The Maker can probably 'do magic'.

[BioWareM0d13]

According to "lore" is bullshit even a human noble king, because the gray wardens do not have titles.

 

It makes sense in how it is presented. A mage-king doesn't in any place not named Tevinter.

 

On that note I'm sure the reverse will be true if a DA game is ever set in Tevinter. A Tevinter human mage protagonist would probably have the rise to magister epilogue whereas the human warriors and rogues wouldn't. 

[Kierro Ren]

Magic is to serve man, and never to rule over him - enough said.

[Edvin]

Magic is to serve man, and never to rule over him - enough said.

"The Veal holds no uncertainty for her, and she will know no fear of death, for the Maker shall be her bacon and her shield, her foundation"

[Roofie]

In the middle of the war with darkspawns when the country needs to be united?

I do not think that nobility has months time to haggle over who will be the new king.
 

BTW: Anora is queen and she is not noble birth.
So "at least" human female mage should be able marry Alistair.

 

Anora is Noble born, her father was the Kings best friend!

 

And in the middle of a Blight the nobility took the time to hold a landsmeet and consider entering into a civil war over who should lead the country, without a king. I imagine they'd do more impractical things to replace an arrogant, ignorant, unknown royal bastard.

 

Also, Mages are considered one of the most terrifying and controversial peoples in the whole of Thedas. Chantry born paranoia would have most of the citizenry consider mind-control before a legitimate marriage.

[Silver Souls]

I really wish you could become king/queen as an elf, just imagine the faces of the people when they announce the elf as their overlord .

 

Besides I think it would be a perfect way to make the elves more secure and protected

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

I really wish you could become king/queen as an elf, just imagine the faces of the people when they announce the elf as their overlord .

Besides I think it would be a perfect way to make the elves more secure and protected

Agreed. I'm tired of human dominance.