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[robertthebard]

According to "lore" is bullshit even a human noble king, because the gray wardens do not have titles.

Did you even play Origins? Why is Eamon gunning to put Alistair on the throne, again? Do you know? Bloodline. He wants, feels like he has to keep the bloodline on the throne. So, we get King Alistair, well, those of us that don't run him off do. Those of us that don't run him off, and play a F HN and romance him get a chance to be queen, but only because he's the King. For M HN, who marry Anora, she's already the queen, and you're a figurehead, congratulations? That is, unless you have Awakening, and import, then you're a figurehead from afar, with lands that were taken from a traitor and given to you so that you could rebuild the Order in Ferelden.

[Silver Souls]

Agreed. I'm tired of human dominance.

Same here mate, same here

[ahtf]

I really wish you could become king/queen as an elf, just imagine the faces of the people when they announce the elf as their overlord .

 

Besides I think it would be a perfect way to make the elves more secure and protected

What you want is a game where you can do whatever you want. I really like that you in bioware games can't get everything, that some things are decided for you. It makes the story feel more real. I just hope that they also can add some negative consequens for always choosing the "morally right" decision.

 

I can understand your side as well. But its not the kind of game i like or want.

[PrinceLionheart]

In the middle of the war with darkspawns when the country needs to be united?

I do not think that nobility has months time to haggle over who will be the new king.
 

BTW: Anora is queen and she is not noble birth.
So "at least" human female mage should be able marry Alistair.

I personally never liked the idea of the HNF marrying Alistair because even if they have Noble blood, it still came off as a Political Powergrab from the Wardens.

 

I always felt Marrying Alistair was a bit of a cheat.

[WizzoMaFizzo]

I really wish you could become king/queen as an elf, just imagine the faces of the people when they announce the elf as their overlord .

 

Besides I think it would be a perfect way to make the elves more secure and protected

And instead of a crown the new elf ruler could have a big "Assassinate Me" sign taped to their back

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

And instead of a crown the new elf ruler could have a big "Assassinate Me" sign taped to their back

The Crows failed the first time. Let someone try assassinating my Warden again.

[DrBlingzle]

The Crows failed the first time. Let someone try assassinating my Warden again.

Even if an assassination attempt failed, at least half of the nobles, probably more, would flat out refuse to bow to an elf (as well as seeing an opportunity to grasp power) and would attempt to otherthrow the warden plunging Ferelden into another civil war.

Assuming that the elf warden isn't killed within the first day anyway.

[DracoAngel]

Anora is Noble born, her father was the Kings best friend!

 

And in the middle of a Blight the nobility took the time to hold a landsmeet and consider entering into a civil war over who should lead the country, without a king. I imagine they'd do more impractical things to replace an arrogant, ignorant, unknown royal bastard.

 

Also, Mages are considered one of the most terrifying and controversial peoples in the whole of Thedas. Chantry born paranoia would have most of the citizenry consider mind-control before a legitimate marriage.

 

Being King Maric's best friend does not make you a noble... Loghain was born a commoner and had run into Maric during the war against Orlais. Loghain's father tasked him with getting Maric to safety when he was being hunted down after the murder of his mother. It wasn't until nearly the end of the war that Loghain was given titles and land due to his actions during the war. An act, btw, Maric didn't discuss with others.

You could argue that since Anora was born into it, she is technically noble, whereas Loghain definitely was not born of noble lineage.

 

Also, lore-breaking the game if anyone other than a Human Fem! Noble... we nearly had an elf queen with Maric if she had just kept her secret better of originally being a bard spy from Orlais. Alas, Loghain and Rowan found out. I wanna know how that would have played out.

 

To not having my "ego stroked" over not being able to choose the outcome I wanted. Which isn't the case.

 

As I had stated, I said I felt a hardened Alistair would choose to marry the woman he loved. So, in order for a female not of the Noble origin to marry King Alistair, requirements would have to be met:

1. Obviously, Alistair is made King

2. Alistair has to be hardened

3. Alistair needs to be "in love" status with the Warden.

4. Choosing to rule beside him

So, this still requires you to make certain choices if you desired this particular ending.

 

I'm not over here QQ-ing "OMG, I can't have the ending I want! F this game!". No, I was stating what I thought a hardened Alistair would do.

 

Also, concerning the nobles. 

All depending on choices made, they sided with her during the Landsmeet, not Alistair, not Anora, not Loghain. Her. They went with what-ever she chose. Again, all depending on choices made, they obviously didn't care that an elf/mage/dwarf chose who sat on the throne. You could easily use the argument I saw in one of the posts that anyone other than a Fem! Human Noble becoming queen that the nobles would see this as a powerplay by their respective faction as well. But they didn't.

 

I think that the Hero of Ferelden would have quite a bit of notoriety among them. She just saved all them! And all depending on choices you made throughout the whole campaign could reflect how not only the nobles view you, but how the common folk do too. Siding with certain factions, saving Redcliffe, aiding Lothering, ect.

I guess I just have more faith in the Fereldens, they would rally behind the Warden all depending on choices made. Same can be said that she could be disposed of depending on choices made.

 

Yes, I can see the Chantry getting all in a tizzy about a mage queen. But again choices made could determine how much in a tizzy they get in.

 

If we're really going to nit-pick every thing. You could argue that since Alistair was a Grey Warden (we won't even talk about the fact that he is a bastard and was never claimed by Maric) he technically couldn't be made king.

 

But, this is apparently "lore breaking" and "messing with my sense of entitlement" and stating an opinion is considered QQ-ing. 

 

/rant done

Sorry, i just don't like the fact of being considered a crying child for not getting what I want for stating an opinion. It's not like my opinion is going to go change a game that is no longer worked on. But Maker forbid!

*sigh* I'm going back to my fan fiction...

[BubbleDncr]

lol a human noble married to anora, with leilana as his LI and did the ritual with morrigan....imagine all 3 women having the wardens child....oh boy...complications....

 

I did this with my male character who slept with everyone he could possibly sleep with. It is by far my favorite ending/world state, but he is a terrible, terrible human being.

[Jouni S]

I think a human mage queen or a non-human non-mage queen could be made to work. The idea is that when the marriage is announced, you lose some of the support you had in the Landsmeet. With a mage, you lose the Chantry, while a non-human queen loses some of the nobility. If you still have enough points that you could have won the Landsmeet, Alistair's rule remains uncontested. Otherwise Ferelden plunges into another civil war.

[GodBrandon]

It makes sense in context of the Dragon Age universe that only a human non mage could become king/queen.

[robertthebard]

Being King Maric's best friend does not make you a noble... Loghain was born a commoner and had run into Maric during the war against Orlais. Loghain's father tasked him with getting Maric to safety when he was being hunted down after the murder of his mother. It wasn't until nearly the end of the war that Loghain was given titles and land due to his actions during the war. An act, btw, Maric didn't discuss with others.
You could argue that since Anora was born into it, she is technically noble, whereas Loghain definitely was not born of noble lineage.

How do nobles become nobles anyway? They take it at the tip of a sword, or are awarded it by royalty, likely for what they did with a sword. So, being born into titles would indeed bestow nobility.
 

Also, lore-breaking the game if anyone other than a Human Fem! Noble... we nearly had an elf queen with Maric if she had just kept her secret better of originally being a bard spy from Orlais. Alas, Loghain and Rowan found out. I wanna know how that would have played out.
 
To not having my "ego stroked" over not being able to choose the outcome I wanted. Which isn't the case.
 
As I had stated, I said I felt a hardened Alistair would choose to marry the woman he loved. So, in order for a female not of the Noble origin to marry King Alistair, requirements would have to be met:
1. Obviously, Alistair is made King
2. Alistair has to be hardened
3. Alistair needs to be "in love" status with the Warden.
4. Choosing to rule beside him
So, this still requires you to make certain choices if you desired this particular ending.
 
I'm not over here QQ-ing "OMG, I can't have the ending I want! F this game!". No, I was stating what I thought a hardened Alistair would do.
 
Also, concerning the nobles. 
All depending on choices made, they sided with her during the Landsmeet, not Alistair, not Anora, not Loghain. Her. They went with what-ever she chose. Again, all depending on choices made, they obviously didn't care that an elf/mage/dwarf chose who sat on the throne. You could easily use the argument I saw in one of the posts that anyone other than a Fem! Human Noble becoming queen that the nobles would see this as a powerplay by their respective faction as well. But they didn't.
 
I think that the Hero of Ferelden would have quite a bit of notoriety among them. She just saved all them! And all depending on choices you made throughout the whole campaign could reflect how not only the nobles view you, but how the common folk do too. Siding with certain factions, saving Redcliffe, aiding Lothering, ect.
I guess I just have more faith in the Fereldens, they would rally behind the Warden all depending on choices made. Same can be said that she could be disposed of depending on choices made.
 
Yes, I can see the Chantry getting all in a tizzy about a mage queen. But again choices made could determine how much in a tizzy they get in.
 
If we're really going to nit-pick every thing. You could argue that since Alistair was a Grey Warden (we won't even talk about the fact that he is a bastard and was never claimed by Maric) he technically couldn't be made king.
 
But, this is apparently "lore breaking" and "messing with my sense of entitlement" and stating an opinion is considered QQ-ing. 
 
/rant done
Sorry, i just don't like the fact of being considered a crying child for not getting what I want for stating an opinion. It's not like my opinion is going to go change a game that is no longer worked on. But Maker forbid!
*sigh* I'm going back to my fan fiction...

A hardened Alistair runs off to become a drunk if you spare Loghain. I'm thinking there's no way to accurately predict what a hardened Alistair would do, outside of what he actually does. Considering events earlier in the game, the end game stuff didn't seem out of character to me.

[Super Drone]

 ...choices made...

 

 

 

The choices you make over the course of a Blight can't and shouldn't alter the political realities of the world. Fereldan is a backwater country struggling to be taken seriously, so they stop getting conquered by Orlais, among other reasons. Their monarch declaring a mage or elf or dwarf their Queen would make them a laughingstock throughout Thedas, and remember, most of Thedas believes the Blight never actually happened, since it was defeated in less than a year. 

 

Saying that the nobles should hand-waive all that so Queen Mary Sue (or King Marty Stu, whichever) gets the royal wedding is needless wish fulfillment. Love Alistair on the side. Engineer events so Anora rules alone (it's what I did when I played a female Warden) and you get Alistair all to yourself. But don't demand that the story abandon it's own lore to give you an ending that makes no sense according to the setting. 

 

And to echo other's response to the OP. When did we decide ruling over Fereldan was the "best" ending? My male Human Noble never considered marrying Anora for a second. He walked off into the sunset with Leliana on further adventures. Best. Ending. Ever.  

[DracoAngel]

 But don't demand that the story abandon it's own lore to give you an ending that makes no sense according to the setting. 

I'm demanding something?

And here I thought I was just voicing an opinion. Silly me

 

A hardened Alistair runs off to become a drunk if you spare Loghain. I'm thinking there's no way to accurately predict what a hardened Alistair would do, outside of what he actually does. Considering events earlier in the game, the end game stuff didn't seem out of character to me.

Actually a hardened Alistair will forcefully take the throne and marry Anora if you spare Loghain.

Unhardened he says he will leave the Grey Wardens. But then Anora steps in and say "sorry, I can't allow that." And she will attempt to execute him. At this point the Warden can step in and tell Anora "yea, that's a good idea." or "No. You owe me a boon, I want you to spare his life." If you choose the latter, he will go into exile and become a drunk

[Kierro Ren]

Being King Maric's best friend does not make you a noble... Loghain was born a commoner and had run into Maric during the war against Orlais. 

 

 

Actually Angel, this is how nobles can become nobility. The King gifts those who served him. Now, if I'm correct, Anora was already born by the time Loghain served Maric. So, Loghain would been a noble, but wasn't Anora born before Loghain met Maric? If so, than technically she's still a commoner, just moved up, but not actually born INTO nobility.

[DracoAngel]

Actually Angel, this is how nobles can become nobility. The King gifts those who served him. Now, if I'm correct, Anora was already born by the time Loghain served Maric. So, Loghain would been a noble, but wasn't Anora born before Loghain met Maric? If so, than technically she's still a commoner, just moved up, but not actually born INTO nobility.

Uh... have you read The Stolen Throne? That was when Loghain and Maric first met. And it was LONG before Anora was born.

Stolen Throne wiki

[Kierro Ren]

Uh... have you read The Stolen Throne? That was when Loghain and Maric first met. And it was LONG before Anora was born.

Stolen Throne wiki

 

Truth be told, I haven't read (tho want too) any books or comics. Nearest, OPEN, comic store I know of is about 1h and 38m away. So, I have to have a good reason to go, besides for a comic.

[Edvin]

Actually Angel, this is how nobles can become nobility. The King gifts those who served him. Now, if I'm correct, Anora was already born by the time Loghain served Maric. So, Loghain would been a noble, but wasn't Anora born before Loghain met Maric? If so, than technically she's still a commoner, just moved up, but not actually born INTO nobility.

 

 

Yes, but with this logic, Anora can give you title as a reward ( After all, you saved her. ).

Anyone can be a nobleman.
 

[Grieving Natashina]

Truth be told, I haven't read (tho want too) any books or comics. Nearest, OPEN, comic store I know of is about 1h and 38m away. So, I have to have a good reason to go, besides for a comic.

Both the comic series released for the games are really good and give some insight as to what happened in between games.  It mainly stars Varric, Isabela and Alistair throughout much of it.  There is some scenes of Sten as well, if you're a fan of his.  

 

The Masked Empire was great, and those events will tie into the plot of the game.  Asunder is extremely good, and it shows a little more directly the results of the Kirkwall riot a year later as the unrest is spreading in Thedas.  It also gives you a chance to learn a lot more about Cole.  Also, there is a couple of characters that I suspect will be showing up as NPCs.  Wynne plays a large role in it, and there is some scenes with Shale as well that made me cheer (I'm a huge fan of hers/its.)  If you're interested, maybe hit up Amazon, or something like that.  

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Truth be told, I haven't read (tho want too) any books or comics. Nearest, OPEN, comic store I know of is about 1h and 38m away. So, I have to have a good reason to go, besides for a comic.

same here and budget makes it hard as well.

[Kierro Ren]

Both the comic series released for the games are really good and give some insight as to what happened in between games.  It mainly stars Varric, Isabela and Alistair throughout much of it.  There is some scenes of Sten as well, if you're a fan of his.  

 

The Masked Empire was great, and those events will tie into the plot of the game.  Asunder is extremely good, and it shows a little more directly the results of the Kirkwall riot a year later as the unrest is spreading in Thedas.  It also gives you a chance to learn a lot more about Cole.  Also, there is a couple of characters that I suspect will be showing up as NPCs.  Wynne plays a large role in it, and there is some scenes with Shale as well that made me cheer (I'm a huge fan of hers/its.)  If you're interested, maybe hit up Amazon, or something like that.  

 

Thanks I'll keep in mind.

[Elfyoth]

@DrBlingzle Techniclly Bioware confirmed Alistair to be the son that elven mage Marric romanced, forgot her name... so techniclly.... if Alistair is being put as a king on the throne of fereldan, he is TECHNICLLY Elven blooded... But that dosent mean I dont agree with what you have said, I am just saying facts.

[DrBlingzle]

@DrBlingzle Techniclly Bioware confirmed Alistair to be the son that elven mage Marric romanced, forgot her name... so techniclly.... if Alistair is being put as a king on the throne of fereldan, he is TECHNICLLY Elven blooded... But that dosent mean I dont agree with what you have said, I am just saying facts.

Oh absolutely, and I'm fairly sure that if the nobility ever found out it would be scandalous and tensions would rise. However due to the fact that Alistair himself thinks he is a "pure" human I suspect only a couple of people actually know and the chances of the secret escaping are extremely low.

[AlanC9]

Jeez.. these games aren't delivering enough power fantasy? We have to all get to be king too?

[Lumenadducere]

 

 

Yes, but with this logic, Anora can give you title as a reward ( After all, you saved her. ).

Anyone can be a nobleman.
 

 

Well, yeah.  You can be a nobleman, and have representation in the Landsmeet.  But being a nobleman isn't the same thing as being the King/Queen, which is royalty.  They're two different things.  Nobles have power and own/rule lands in the kingdom, that's basically it.  But royalty is passed down through familial lines, either through marriage or birth.  Anyone can become a noble, but not anyone can become royalty.