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[Gamine]

So according to this tweet http://twitter.com/D...684962836893696 there's no way for Hawke to stay with Anders but also disapprove of his actions? The tiles don't really specify either way, I figured I could run off with him while still being furious at him. I mean the way I remember it Hawke never told Anders they were cool with what he did (if anything s/he was pretty peeved), and I certainly don't see how asking him to try and atone by defending the mages equates to approving of terrorism. I want the Keep to recognize that my Hawke remained with Anders, but will it also then think that they're a zealot/approve of murder? Likewise if I want Hawke to be pro-mage without being pro-exploding Divines, do I have to leave Anders?

[crowskin]

It is confusing. I don't remember the specific dialogue at the end of the game either, which is why I suggested via the Feedback button to change the Anders tiles to:

 

• Anders stayed with Hawke
• Hawke killed Anders (which covers killing him in battle or stabbing with the knife)
• Anders was exiled by Hawke

[katerinafm]

So according to this tweet http://twitter.com/D...684962836893696 there's no way for Hawke to stay with Anders but also disapprove of his actions? The tiles don't really specify either way, I figured I could run off with him while still being furious at him. I mean the way I remember it Hawke never told Anders they were cool with what he did (if anything s/he was pretty peeved), and I certainly don't see how asking him to try and atone by defending the mages equates to approving of terrorism. I want the Keep to recognize that my Hawke remained with Anders, but will it also then think that they're a zealot/approve of murder? Likewise if I want Hawke to be pro-mage without being pro-exploding Divines, do I have to leave Anders?

 

The disapprove option means you break up with him? Huh, I guess I'll have to switch that tile in the keep. Why can't you still disapprove but not break up with him?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Unless you tell him to leave, all your dialogue in the Last Straw with Anders is supportive of his decision. Perhaps this is a flaw in the game itself, but no, you can't keep him around and still be pro-mage and anti-blowing up Chantry". If you want to disapprove of his decision, you need to show it with actions.

[Shadow of Ashes]

Judging by the epilogue dialogue, even if you tell Anders that you don't want to be with him any longer, he still stays with you. I wonder if that counts?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I would assume that's a bug. I think I once saw a playthrough where Varric mentions Anders even though he was killed.

[Razored1313]

...wow I just responded in a thread today about choosing to kill anders because the break up/exile option wasn't in the keep....guess anders gets to live after all

[Gamine]

Unless you tell him to leave, all your dialogue in the Last Straw with Anders is supportive of his decision. Perhaps this is a flaw in the game itself, but no, you can't keep him around and still be pro-mage and anti-blowing up Chantry". If you want to disapprove of his decision, you need to show it with actions.

Ah, I was afraid of this I am a touch disappointed that the Keep decision sucks a lot of the grey that I felt was present in the actual decision (i.e. "I still love him but omg is he an idiot") but I suppose it makes sense for simplicity's sake. I certainly wouldn't be opposed to crowskin's suggestion of changing the title/description of the tile so it reflects Hawke's status with Anders as opposed to approval/disapproval of the explosion.

Thanks guys!

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I honestly got the sense that even in Dragon Age 2, it ultimately boils down Hawke's perception of Anders to letting him stay with you ultimately means approval at the end of the day, regardless of whatever else he or she felt.

 

Even if you say negative things about what he did at first, if he is alongside you in the last goodbyes, all you can have for him is praise (unless you have both sided with the templars).

[Genuine UK]

 

It is confusing. I don't remember the specific dialogue at the end of the game either, which is why I suggested via the Feedback button to change the Anders tiles to:

 

• Anders stayed with Hawke
• Hawke killed Anders (which covers killing him in battle or stabbing with the knife)
• Anders was exiled by Hawke

 

hawk does not exile anders but rather let him run away hawk does not have the authority at least at that time to exile anyone

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Hawke "exiles" him from their group, I think is just what that meant.

[copernickers]

Hawke "exiles" him from their group, I think is just what that meant.

 

Pretty sure crowskin is referring to the moment in Act 2 when Justice takes over and (possibly) kills a defenceless mage. After that, Hawke gets the option to either convince Anders to stay or tell him to leave.

[Renata]

Hello! This tweet is my mistake, and it can be hard to convey things sometimes with a 140 character limit, I'm going to clarify things a bit more here:  

 

The autosolver will not appear if you choose you romanced Anders and disapproved of his actions at the Chantry or if you killed him. The Keep will still let you be in a romance with him if you disapproved of his actions. There is no option in the Keep to determine if you broke up with anyone - it just records who you ended up with. So it's up to you if you want to choose that your Hawke romanced no one (ended up single by the end of DAII) or if you romanced someone (was still together with a character by the end of DAII). 

 

Sorry for the confusion, everyone! I hope that helps clear things up, and I'm happy to answer any more questions

[LilyasAvalon]

Hello! This tweet is my mistake, and though it's hard to convey things sometimes with a 140 character limit, I'm going to clarify things a bit more here:  

 

The autosolver will not appear if you choose you romanced Anders and disapproved of his actions at the Chantry or if you killed him. The Keep will still let you be in a romance with him if you disapproved of his actions. There is no option in the Keep to determine if you broke up with anyone - it just records who you ended up with. So it's up to you if you want to choose that your Hawke romanced no one (ended up single by the end of DAII) or if you romanced someone (was still together with a character by the end of DAII). 

 

Sorry for the confusion, everyone! I hope that helps clear things up, and I'm happy to answer any more questions

 

So... what, does that cover if Hawke broke up with Anders before the two boss battles? Or if they just told him to leave/'exile him'?

[Evamitchelle]

So... what, does that cover if Hawke broke up with Anders before the two boss battles? Or if they just told him to leave/'exile him'?

 

You'd choose 'No one romanced', because Hawke wasn't in a relationship with anyone at the end of the game. 

[LilyasAvalon]

You'd choose 'No one romanced', because Hawke wasn't in a relationship with anyone at the end of the game. 

 

Ah ok, so that actually works out nicely for my playthrough of a Hawke who, while she dearly loved Anders, could not stand for his choice to blow up the chantry and send the world into sudden chaos.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Pretty sure crowskin is referring to the moment in Act 2 when Justice takes over and (possibly) kills a defenceless mage. After that, Hawke gets the option to either convince Anders to stay or tell him to leave.

 

Well if that's the case, then telling Anders to leave at the end of the game should definitely also be in there. It was actually one of the most satisfying moments in the game for me. My second Hawke did this and it was the only time I felt I got to properly vent my disgust at an Anders that used to be her friend.

[Shelidon]

Unless you tell him to leave, all your dialogue in the Last Straw with Anders is supportive of his decision. Perhaps this is a flaw in the game itself, but no, you can't keep him around and still be pro-mage and anti-blowing up Chantry". If you want to disapprove of his decision, you need to show it with actions.

 

On the other side, you have an option to back him up in case you don't disapprove blowing up the Chantry but you just disapprove that he didn't tell you before.

[Gamine]

Hello! This tweet is my mistake, and it can be hard to convey things sometimes with a 140 character limit, I'm going to clarify things a bit more here:  

 

The autosolver will not appear if you choose you romanced Anders and disapproved of his actions at the Chantry or if you killed him. The Keep will still let you be in a romance with him if you disapproved of his actions. There is no option in the Keep to determine if you broke up with anyone - it just records who you ended up with. So it's up to you if you want to choose that your Hawke romanced no one (ended up single by the end of DAII) or if you romanced someone (was still together with a character by the end of DAII). 

 

Sorry for the confusion, everyone! I hope that helps clear things up, and I'm happy to answer any more questions

Perfect, thank you so much for clarifying!

[hw78]

Hello! I'm the one who sent the original tweet! I've sent a couple tweets to the Keep but I want to make sure this is seen by you guys so I'm also posting here. I'm glad you're in this thread Renata because I would like to know why there isn't a "break up" option in the case of Anders' romance.

I was under the impression that the Keep was the replacement for importing which is becoming an impractical...practice. However that only works if we're allowed to record ALL of our choices, not choices that don't explore the nuances of the story. It was pretty momentous for my character to break up with Anders at the end of the game. I am scratching my head trying to understand why the option "Cullen was/wasn't Hawke's
friend" was added while this, which is a lot more relevant, wasn't.

I'm not trying to jump on you and I'm not trying to let my anger control me but this? This is infuriating. If the writers of Inquisition simply didn't include a dialogue tree for the Anders break up, fine, but that doesn't mean there's an excuse for it not to be in the Keep.

And for that matter what about the other companions? What about Fenris? Is there no option for his romance either, that Hawke didn't get back together with him? I'm sure there are other examples I could bring up.

So what gives?

[Evamitchelle]

Hello! I'm the one who sent the original tweet! I've sent a couple tweets to the Keep but I want to make sure this is seen by you guys so I'm also posting here. I'm glad you're in this thread Renata because I would like to know why there isn't a "break up" option in the case of Anders' romance.

I was under the impression that the Keep was the replacement for importing which is becoming an impractical...practice. However that only works if we're allowed to record ALL of our choices, not choices that don't explore the nuances of the story. It was pretty momentous for my character to break up with Anders at the end of the game. I am scratching my head trying to understand why the option "Cullen was/wasn't Hawke'sfriend" was added while this, which is a lot more relevant, wasn't.

 
And that tile was rightfully removed from the Keep.
 

I'm not trying to jump on you and I'm not trying to let my anger control me but this? This is infuriating. If the writers of Inquisition simply didn't include a dialogue tree for the Anders break up, fine, but that doesn't mean there's an excuse for it not to be in the Keep.

And for that matter what about the other companions? What about Fenris? Is there no option for his romance either, that Hawke didn't get back together with him? I'm sure there are other examples I could bring up.

So what gives?

Right now the romance tile only applies if the characters were still in the romance at the end of the game. There's no 'we broke up' option for anyone, presumably because it would be rather difficult to implement.

 

For example just for Anders you can break up with him after the Chantry, break up with him to move on to someone else, break up with him after siding with the demon in Feynriel's dream, break up with him after what happened to Ella etc. Most LIs have a similar amount of options, so it'd be very hard to track them all correctly.  

 

Ideally there'd be an option to mention past romances (like in your case, romanced Anders until the Chantry, or romanced Alistair until the Landsmeet), but unless Hawke shows up with their LI in tow I don't think the subject will be approached all that much in DAI, so those options could always be added later. 

[hw78]

That's why I want a developer to reply though, because there's no telling how difficult that would be to implement when that exact option is present in the DAO section -- Alistair and the Warden break up once you hit the right choices. It is befuddling that DA2 doesn't have that.

[Evamitchelle]

That's why I want a developer to reply though, because there's no telling how difficult that would be to implement when that exact option is present in the DAO section -- Alistair and the Warden break up once you hit the right choices. It is befuddling that DA2 doesn't have that.

 

Some of the twitch streams make it very clear that the Alistair tiles were an enormous pain to deal with, and the 'did the Warden remain Alistair's mistress' tile is still pretty badly bugged. 

[hw78]

And what exactly is that supposed to prove? Because some things are hard they don't have to be done?

It was really, really great of the team to give us that option in DAO. I don't see why DA2 deserves to get shortchanged. Unless this is just about mistreating the game, which I don't want to believe is true.

[Evamitchelle]

And what exactly is that supposed to prove? Because some things are hard they don't have to be done?

It was really, really great of the team to give us that option in DAO. I don't see why DA2 deserves to get shortchanged. Unless this is just about mistreating the game, which I don't want to believe is true.

 

It's not supposed to prove anything it's supposed to answer your question: "because there's no telling how difficult that would be to implement when that exact option is present in the DAO section". Well I am telling you that option was really hard to implement and it's still not implemented well.