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#51
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For reference, here's Shinobi's latest relay on NeoGAF:

 

"Not to sound hyperbolic but as many know I've been talking with some reviewers and quite a few have noted to me that it's a lock for GOTY, at least for them."

 

My original prediction was in the 88-91 range, so I'll go with 91.


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Joe hasn't published a review yet. No-one has.

 

He said it's gonna be a long time before he releases the review for DA:I because he didn't want to rush through Inquisition.



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I'm so stressed for the devs. lol.

 

I want it to be a wildly huge success for them.

 

Same! It's kind of weird how personally invested I feel in the success of the game. It's like my kid's up for first in the science fair or something. "YOU BE NICE. He worked really hard on this."

 

I'm planning on mostly avoiding reviews, but I might check out a few just to get an idea. I like to be hyped, but prepared so I don't feel totally let down if there's something I don't especially care for.


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Any predictions?
 
I expect a metacritic score in the mid 80's. I doubt the reception will be unanimously positive, though.


I do not use metacritic myself; prefer to go and read actual Player reviews at sites like Amazon, or utilize specific trusted review sites. But generally, I expect high marks from most reviewers, if they can stop talking about their personal bias of Bioware games for a moment....
 
:rolleyes:
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I do not use metacritic myself; prefer to go and read actual Player reviews at sites like Amazon, or utilize specific trusted review sites. But generally, I expect high marks from most reviewers, if they can stop talking about their personal bias of Bioware games for a moment....
 
:rolleyes:

 

As if it's possible not to have a personal bias for some type of game...


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I remember many internet personalities defending the ending as the mature thing to do and mocking the fans as entitled spoiled children who cannot appreciate dramatism or symbolism. For example penny arcade and hulk the film critic.

 

And they were right to.  The internet's reaction to ME3's ending was embarrassing.

 


It's an EA game, even if it's bad it'll get 8s and 9s.

 

You mean like SimCity, The Sims 4, and NBA Live 15?


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For me, I like to read reviews about games I'm interested in mildly, but I generally know I'll be getting the big ones long before the review happens (like with Dragon Age). But I think they're important for people who are on the fence (that's how I use them for other games).

 

As for what I look for...I think what I look for most of all is perspective. Since there's no such thing as an objective review, I appreciate reviewers who are able to put themselves in others' shoes and say things like (pulling Star Wars the Force Unleashed example out of butt), "The story of this game isn't particularly exciting or revolutionary on its own, and I felt rather 'meh' about it, but I suspect that die-hard fans of the franchise will get a lot more enjoyment out of it than I did." Basically, recognizing where and when some will like a game and some won't. I also like when they acknowledge that their likes and dislikes are mostly personal and back them up with specific reasoning ('I didn't like the story' tells me nothing).


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I don't really care about reviews but I still like to see what major positives and negatives people will point out in the reviews.



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As if it's possible not to have a personal bias for some type of game...


Perhaps, but a recent preview seen of DAI only briefly mentioned the new material, and went on for a while speaking of some past criticism they held. It seemed to become more about them then the game.

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Metacritic has its faults, but hey, it's a benchmark.

Here are other comparator games, first by reviewers score and then by users score:

 

metacritic.jpg

 

If DAI can do 88, that would count as a 'return to form'.

Anything over 90 would be a wonderful thing.

 

The User Reviews are a whole other matter.

A section of the gamer community seem hell bent on treating anything from EA as the spawn of Beelzebub.

Similarly, there are some vocal low-lifes that object to fair player gender/romance/orientation choices and consider BioWare a target.

 

I'm going to expect 10's in the user review section. I also expect to see 0's.
Anything above 7.0 as an average would do.

 

Why do I care?

 

After some mistakes and under-funding for DAII I think BioWare deserve a break.

I like the franchise - Dragon Age is my idea of a good time.

 

I also don't want those who bang on about DA being sh*t and a game that 'makes your gay' to get any satisfaction whatsoever.

 

(though I also have no doubt that if the reviews are good, those same posters will comment that EA have 'paid off the reviewers' and have 'made the reviewers gay' or some other nonsense)


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you're all going to hate me for this, but I agree with gamespot quite, quite often. Especially gamespot user scores



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For reference, here's Shinobi's latest relay on NeoGAF:

 

"Not to sound hyperbolic but as many know I've been talking with some reviewers and quite a few have noted to me that it's a lock for GOTY, at least for them."

 

My original prediction was in the 88-91 range, so I'll go with 91.

Hey Crono could you provide the link to that thread?



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Hey Crono could you provide the link to that thread?

 

It's a fair way back in this thread: 

 

http://www.neogaf.co...=922171&page=69



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The User Reviews are a whole other matter.

A section of the gamer community seem hell bent on treating anything from EA as the spawn of Beelzebub.

Similarly, there are some vocal low-lifes that object to fair player gender/romance/orientation choices and consider BioWare a target.

 

I would hope that by now the industry has accepted that metacritic user reviews are meaningless. These things are so susceptible to review bombing campaigns, that the scores are utterly unreliable.

 

All it takes is for a tiny minority to be angry at a given design decision, and you can have a campaign to bomb a game's review score, regardless of how good the rest of the game is, and certainly with no attempt at objectivity. And there's no real way to predict it really: it's impossible to please everyone, after all. It's particularly destructive in niche markets that depend on word of mouth. Basically these people think they're going to "teach the devs" a lesson for not catering to their specific tastes, when what they really do is harming the industry as a whole. It's stunning that metacritic still has user review scores, quite frankly, given how MC must know how easily exploited they are.

 

So even if DAI is a masterpeice, it could still end up with terrible user reviews. I certainly hope it doesn't, but DAI won't please everyone, and all it takes is a few low lives for MC to be flooded with 0 score reviews for "RPG with no healing is stupid", or some such.


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you're all going to hate me for this, but I agree with gamespot quite, quite often. Especially gamespot user scores

 

We know GameSpot's Kevin VanOrd finished his play through last night at 85 hours: https://twitter.com/...673634780114945

 

He rated Destiny 6/10 - Shadow of Mordor 8/10 - those are reasonable assessments.

 

I'm sure I said it somewhere, but the point is occupying my mind:

For a journalist - DAI's success or failure is more than a game review, it's a story about BioWare and ultimately about EA.

 

They don't know if the ending to DAI is sh*t or wonderful but the first journalist out of the gate with a review that signals the quality of that ending is going to have the story of the day. 


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Metacritic has its faults, but hey, it's a benchmark.

Here are other comparator games, first by reviewers score and then by users score:

 

metacritic.jpg

 

If DAI can do 88, that would count as a 'return to form'.

Anything over 90 would be a wonderful thing.

 

The User Reviews are a whole other matter.

A section of the gamer community seem hell bent on treating anything from EA as the spawn of Beelzebub.

Similarly, there are some vocal low-lifes that object to fair player gender/romance/orientation choices and consider BioWare a target.

 

I'm going to expect 10's in the user review section. I also expect to see 0's.
Anything above 7.0 as an average would do.

 

Why do I care?

 

After some mistakes and under-funding for DAII I think BioWare deserve a break.

I like the franchise - Dragon Age is my idea of a good time.

 

I also don't want those who bang on about DA being sh*t and a game that 'makes your gay' to get any satisfaction whatsoever.

 

(though I also have no doubt that if the reviews are good, those same posters will comment that EA have 'paid off the reviewers' and have 'made the reviewers gay' or some other nonsense)

 

Yeah, Metacritic user reviews are complete trash as soon as a game has even an inkling of a controversial topic. Because then butthurt people will spam it with 1s and 0s with no oversight being made whatsoever, hell you don't even know if they played the game or are just raging at something because that's how the internet works.

 

Metacritic in general should never be used as anything but a very rough benchmark, and even then. An 8 for a reviewer might mean it's amazing, for another it might mean it's average. Putting your trust in a handful of reviewers who share your tastes and using their comments to decide on your purchase is a much better idea. Bonus points if they don't use a score, since it means their reviews stand on their pros and cons of the game, not an abitrary number that means everything and nothing.



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Ty for the link.

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Please don't suck, please don't suck, please don't suck!


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Yea why would anyone take Metacritic seriously? this game will probably get a lot of 1s and 0s there because the Qunari don't have long hair available that place is full of idiots.

 

TBH if you need a reviewer to make your mind up about whether or not to buy this game perhaps you should just watch walkthroughs on youtube.


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I get the impression that this is going to be Bioware demonstrating some awesomeness.

 

It might be partially because I am so hyped for some more Dragon Age. It might be because I have been a fan of Bioware since BG (and actually bought that game in the shop with cash many years ago). It might be because there is a real drought of decent RPG's lately. It might be a little of all of that.

 

Or it might be because Bioware is truly bringing the thunder this time.

 

I'm probably too hyped but I am enjoying it. I'm about as hyped as I have ever been for a game release.


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The spoiler avoiding @joystiq Dragon Age: Inquisition review goes live overnight at 3AM ET. Can't wait to finally talk about it!

 

Sounding pretty positive.


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If you like the game then you can probably safely hint that it's good without getting in trouble for embargo issues.

If you hate it, you'll probably keep quiet because EA would be pissed if you hinted the game was rubbish.

Or is my logic off?

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I'm so hungry for the next chapter in the dragon age universe that even if the price doubled AND all reviewers butchered the game I'd still buy it with zero hesitation.

 

Hush, EA might be reading this!


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Well, i'm pretty sure there must be reviews around by now. Iwill try to search for them.But i don't expect anything lower than 7.0/10.0This games is promissing way to much to be a failure.



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We know GameSpot's Kevin VanOrd finished his play through last night at 85 hours: https://twitter.com/...673634780114945

He rated Destiny 6/10 - Shadow of Mordor 8/10 - those are reasonable assessments.

I'm sure I said it somewhere, but the point is occupying my mind:
For a journalist - DAI's success or failure is more than a game review, it's a story about BioWare and ultimately about EA.

They don't know if the ending to DAI is sh*t or wonderful but the first journalist out of the gate with a review that signals the quality of that ending is going to have the story of the day.


I agree with this.

I also looked up Kevin's reviews based on this, and I like his style a lot. Personal, informative, interesting, and not spoiler heavy. I will be checking his review of Dragon Age out.