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[Aldrick]

I am just curious.  In my canon extremely pro-mage play through, in Origins I played a Machiavellian Elven Mage.  He had a huge chip on his shoulder as it related to Humans, the Chantry, and the Templars and took every opportunity to screw them over.  This is how Leliana and Wynne died in the Temple of Sacred Ashes, as well as Brother Genitivi.  

 

The Elf Mage Warden romanced Morrigan, but kept a close friendship with Alistair after finding out that he was Merric's bastard child.  He realized that he could potentially put Alistair on the throne, because after all--there was only one way that war was going to end.

 

Fast forward to the Landsmeet.  Alistair chops off the head of Loghain, getting his vengeance, and a hardened Alistair sends Anora off to the Tower.  A hardened Alistair rules alone, obviously with his "good" Elf-Warden there to "advise" him.

 

Fast forward to learning about how the  Archdemon is defeated and the Dark Ritual.  The Warden is obviously pissed, but sees an opportunity.  He tells Morrigan to do the Dark Ritual with Alistair.

 

Unfortunately, I do not think Bioware really considered this option as a possibility, since the dialog choices should have been more unique to the situation.  After all, the Warden is actively dating and supposedly in love with Morrigan, and she is all like, "I love you and want to save your life!"  Then the Warden is all like, "Yeah, I got a better idea.  I want you to sleep with the guy you hate who also happens to be my friend in the other room, is that cool?" 

 

So, anyway, I have to head cannon the dialog--otherwise it is pretty standard with only basic acknowledgement that the Warden is in a relationship with Morrigan.  The reasons are offered as follows:  The Warden manipulates Morrigan into agreement--she wants something, and he basically tells her no but gives her an alternative in Alistair.  The Warden tells Alistair to do the ritual for the good of Ferelden.  After all, he is king now.  The people are depending on him.  The Warden tries to put it in the context of a "last resort" option, should both Riordan and himself fall before they can defeat the Archdeamon--leaving only Alistair left to slay it.

 

True motivations:  The Warden has made Alistair king and he has no heirs.  He has a close and intimate relationship with Morrigan.  She may try to run, but he will find her with the ring she gave him.  With potentially the only heir to the throne of Ferelden, he and Morrigan can shape the child into their anti-chantry, pro-mage image.  ...and of course, the child would be an Old God to boot.

 

So everything plays out as one might expect.  Morrigan gets pregnant with Alistair's child, and runs off.  After the events in Awakening, my Elven Mage Warden hunts down Morrigan through the Witch Hunt DLC, and they walk through the Eluvian together to raise Alistair's child.  The Warden set the stage with what would take place in Kirkwall in Dragon Age 2 during Awakening, and pro-mage Hawke and Anders romance and run off together in the end.

 

What happened after walking through the Eluvian is unknown.  However, the Inquisitor will be a Dalish Mage, who believes in radical reform among his people--and reclaiming lost glory, power, and magic.  He will romance Dorian, and will of course, also be pro-Elf, anti-Chantry, and pro-Mage.  After Dorian his closest ally will be Iron Bull and likely Verric.  Ha.  A Dalish Mage, a Dwarf, a Tevinter Magister, and a Qunari team up together to save the world--what could possibly go wrong?  I think the Great Divine just hurled herself from the highest tower in Orlais at the heresy of it all.

 

So, did anyone else take this path?  Did anyone romance Morrigan, and encourage her to have Alistair's baby?  If so, what do you think will be the consequences of this decision in Inquisition?

[Rhagavar]

That is very intetesting. I pretty much always convinced Alistair to knock Morrigan up, but it was because my Warden didn't want to touch her with a 10 foot pole though he also didn't want either of them to die

[LOLandStuff]

The kid won't acknowledge you as his daddy.

[Br3admax]

No. I don't give a damn about Theirin blood, I want to decrease the great dragon population, and Alistair shouldn't breed. Easy choice, really. 

[Uccio]

Now why would I do that? Morrigan is a hot babe with sultry voice of smoking hot Claudia Black.

 

I shagged her rotten baby!

[Aldrick]

The kid won't acknowledge you as his daddy.

 

The Warden does not need him too.  In fact, the long term goal is to get Alistair to acknowledge the kid as his heir, as the taint will likely prevent him from having more children of his own.  Alternatively, if that fails, raise an army and seize the Ferelden throne by force.  ...which brings up the interesting situation:  Why is Morrigan in Orlais, the greatest enemy of Ferelden?  Why is she advising the Empress?

 

I was trying to set things up so that, should push come to shove, the OGB could take the Throne of Ferelden with the help of the Inquisition. 

[LOLandStuff]

I shagged her rotten baby!

 

That's rather disturbing.

[Br3admax]

The Warden does not need him too. In fact, the long term goal is to get Alistair to acknowledge the kid as his heir, as the taint will likely prevent him from having more children of his own. Alternatively, if that fails, raise an army and seize the Ferelden throne by force. ...which brings up the interesting situation: Why is Morrigan in Orlais, the greatest enemy of Ferelden? Why is she advising the Empress?

I was trying to set things up so that, should push come to shove, the OGB could take the Throne of Ferelden with the help of the Inquisition.

You do realise it's probably a mage, right. It's not happening.

[Milan92]

Bloodlines are overrated.

[LOLandStuff]

Now why would anyone follow an Inquisitor who wants to put a mage on the throne?

[rda]

I doubt it will get acknowledged much, if at all, in the game, as I have to think that was a very unusual option to take.

[Aldrick]

You do realise it's probably a mage, right. It's not happening.

 

Absolutely, the OGB is probably a mage.  This complicates matters, but things are changing rapidly.  The Mages have rebelled, and my Elf Mage Warden chose every option possible to make Ferelden as friendly as possible to mages.  This was acknowledged in DA2, as mages were fleeing there from Kirkwall, and Ferelden appeared to be protecting them.  The Circle there was also granted independence.

 

Fast forward.  The Mages have rebelled.  The Templars have broken with the Chantry.  The world is plunged into chaos, and along comes the Inquisition.  An Inquisition that is radically pro-mage, pro-elf, and anti-chantry.  Every effort will be made to destroy the Templars completely, and unite the mages under the Inquisition.  ...and oh hey, look, we have a whole nation right there already sympathetic to the mage cause, and the only heir to their king happens to be a mage...

 

I think Alistair could be convinced to legitimize the kid.  After all, he would know that it is his son.  Also, due to the taint it will make it difficult if not impossible to have another child.  This means there would be no other heirs.  His Calling is coming sooner rather than later.  If Ferelden is left without an heir to the throne, then it is being setup for another civil war.  So, it is really a question of whether Alistair will legitimize his son, or allow the country he loves and has pledged to serve fall back into civil war upon his death.

 

The issue is the Landsmeet.  However, that is what the Inquisitor is for...

[Aldrick]

I doubt it will get acknowledged much, if at all, in the game, as I have to think that was a very unusual option to take.

 

Is there even any idea of what will be done with the OGB if Alistair is the father?  I imagine the two most common parents of the OGB are first the Warden followed by Alistair, and it would be easy story-wise for Morrigan to pretend the Warden's child is Alistair's kid (in most cases).  After all, they both survived, and they both had the opportunity to sleep with her.  Most Female Wardens likely romanced Alistair, and as a result likely put Alistair on the Throne AND had him do the Dark Ritual with Morrigan. 

[Br3admax]

The Inquisition will not be able to stand up to Ferelden. It won't be able to enforce it's own policies. Influence maybe. Enforce, no. I doubt any radical change will be happening with mages. I've played around with the idea before, but it takes some serious stretching to think the anyone would even want to let a mage child of the bastard son/Prince-Consort the actual King of Ferelden. It's not going to happen. Finally, Grey Wardens can still have other children. You're just trying to force the issue really. The chances of the optional child of the optional king, who also happens to be a mage, ascending anything is rather far-fetched. 

[rda]

The Inquisition will not be able to stand up to Ferelden. It won't be able to enforce it's own policies. Influence maybe. Enforce, no. I doubt any radical change will be happening with mages. I've played around with the idea before, but it takes some serious stretching to think the anyone would even want to let a mage child of the bastard son/Prince-Consort the actual King of Ferelden. It's not going to happen. Finally, Grey Wardens can still have other children. You're just trying to force the issue really. The chances of the optional child of the optional king, who also happens to be a mage, ascending anything is rather far-fetched.

Meh, I agree in theory, but isn't there a line in WH, where if you got Alistair to do the DR and made Alistair king, the Warden says something to Morrigan about wanting to know where the future heir to the Fereldan throne is? I could be totally misremembering this, but if I'm not, it indicates on some level that the Warden, at least, doesn't find it impossible the kiddo could inherit the throne.

[Br3admax]

That was a joke/hint at best, honestly. A mage cannot take the throne of any kingdom. They can't inherit land either. Unless it's in Tevinter.

[Aldrick]

The Inquisition will not be able to stand up to Ferelden. It won't be able to enforce it's own policies. Influence maybe. Enforce, no. I doubt any radical change will be happening with mages. I've played around with the idea before, but it takes some serious stretching to think the anyone would even want to let a mage child of the bastard son/Prince-Consort the actual King of Ferelden. It's not going to happen. Finally, Grey Wardens can still have other children. You're just trying to force the issue really. The chances of the optional child of the optional king, who also happens to be a mage, ascending anything is rather far-fetched. 

 

So, trying to have a discussion (the reason the thread was created) is "forcing the issue"?  Thanks for crawling into my head and discerning all my hidden and secret motivations!  I did not realize you practiced Blood Magic!

 

We were told that Inquisition is a story about nations.  Nations--that is plural.  The two most obvious nations are Ferelden and Orlais, and we know that both of them are in the game.  This means the Inquisition is going to have some type of influence on events in those nations.

 

As I pointed out previously, while it may be an optional choice, the majority of Female Wardens likely romanced Alistair and had him do the Dark Ritual with Morrigan.  That means that the two individuals most likely to have a child with her are the Warden and Alistair.  This in turn means that Morrigan can either pass the kid off as Alistair's (if it is the Wardens), or have the kid legitimately be Alistair's.  Alternatively, there is the whole issue of Anora potentially being barren, and the possibility of the child being Loghain's.  So if she rules alone, she needs an heir as well.  It is even more interesting if Alistair sits on the throne, and Morrigan tries to pass Loghain's kid off as his...

 

...either way, it is easy for Bioware to take all these different story threads and combine them together.  The alternative is that the kid will never have anything to do with Ferelden, and will be used for something completely different, what that could be is completely unknown, and as a result is beyond speculation.  Especially since he is still too young to take part in the Mage-Templar war.  This means the only real story use he would be, at least in this game, would be as a pawn in Ferelden politics.

 

As for the Inquisition lacking the ability to enforce their will in Ferelden...  Well, Morrigan herself is in Orlais who is the former occupier of the nation.  Orlais has its own problems, and if those issues get solved there, it would make sense that the nation would back the Inquisition in what it seeks to do in Ferelden, assuming military assistance is needed.  Alternatively, there is the issue of solving the Mage-Templar War, and siding with the Mages--who would logically support a legitimate heir to the Ferelden Throne that was a mage.

[Aldrick]

That was a joke/hint at best, honestly. A mage cannot take the throne of any kingdom. They can't inherit land either. Unless it's in Tevinter.

 

Yes, and in the past every mage was locked away in the Circle by the Templars.  Things are obviously changing regarding Mages.  Obviously, trying to put a mage on the Ferelden Throne would cause HUGE issues, but that is part of the fun of the choice if you are playing a pro-mage character, honestly. 

 

Especially considering the fact that the Inquisition is going to determine the outcome of the Mage-Templar War. 

[Br3admax]

You seem to be under the impression that the Inquisition will let mages go free. that's probably not going to happen either. The way magic works and the way the world feels about it won't let it. 

[Sully13]

I played a Lezzi so i couldnt.

[frylock23]

There is also the possibility of Alistair and/or Anora having designated or had an heir by the time this game begins rendering any machinations surrounding the OGB, who may or may not exist (he's only in 50% of my games), and the Ferelden Throne academic and limited to something that can be kept confined.

[Chuvvy]

NTR is the worst fetish.

[Sully13]

I shagged her rotten baby!

 

Uhhhh.......I NEED AN ADUUUUULT.  

[Aldrick]

NTR is the worst fetish.

 

 

Well, you know what they say, "the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world."  That is what my Warden is going for... and besides, his girlfriend wanted a baby with the soul of an Old God.  How could he refuse?  Why not make it better and also make it a potential heir to a kingdom as well?

 

Let's face it.  A legitimate romance with Morrigan cannot be good unless it is a little bit twisted.  If anything, it makes my Warden a perfect match for Morrigan, because they share similar values and views of the world and its people and factions.

 

 

There is also the possibility of Alistair and/or Anora having designated or had an heir by the time this game begins rendering any machinations surrounding the OGB, who may or may not exist (he's only in 50% of my games), and the Ferelden Throne academic and limited to something that can be kept confined.

 

True.  Although, it would likely mean that:  Alistair and/or Anora had a baby with each other, the Warden, or found someone on the side.

 

It is unlikely that they slept with someone on the side, and legitimatized a bastard.  Especially if it is Anora.

 

The problem with Anora is that it is theorized that she is barren, but this has never been confirmed.  It could have been King Cailan who was sterile.  If it was Anora, as is suspected, then she will not be producing any heirs.

 

If I am not mistaken Wardens have a difficult time conceiving children, but it is not impossible.  It would be interesting to speculate on the consequences of the female Warden giving birth to Alistair's baby, since they both are tainted.  What effects would the taint have on the child during development?  Since this is dark fantasy, it would seem like it would twist the fetus in some way as it develops.

 

So, while I think it is POSSIBLE this has been sorted out, I think it is unlikely.  Whoever sits on the throne of Ferelden will need an heir.  The easiest way out, I think, is just whoever is sitting there to nominate Teagan Guerrin.  For Anora this secures her alliance with the Guerrin's--which is necessary, since they supported Alistair at the Landsmeet.  For Alistair it is practical, and he is personally close with the family.  However, even with Teagan nominated as successor, there would still likely be issues at the Landsmeet and the potential for civil war.

 

Of course, the Teagan solution could also work if the Warden decided to make the Ultimate Sacrifice--or to let someone else make it (either Alistair or Loghain).  Personally, I think one of the best solutions is for Loghain to make the sacrifice, and have Anora and Alistair rule jointly.  This denies Morrigan the OGB, ensures that the Warden lives, gives Ferelden its best chance at prosperity, and allows Loghain to redeem himself in an honorable way that does not have the Warden betraying the other Wardens to do the Dark Ritual.

 

 

I played a Lezzi so i couldnt.

 

 

Yeah, in most of my male Warden play throughs I romanced Zevran.  Everything could have worked out the same with Morrigan, even if I had not romanced her, but I would not have been able to go through the Eluvian with her... and that was important for my play through.  As a result, my Warden romanced Morrigan to get that ending.

 

 

You seem to be under the impression that the Inquisition will let mages go free. that's probably not going to happen either. The way magic works and the way the world feels about it won't let it. 

 

It does not really matter whether or not the mages are free and independent or if they are all brought under the influence and control of the Inquisition.  In fact, it is better for the Inquisition if they serve it, but even if not and they are merely very close allies the end result is the same.

[Eveangaline]

It's a cool headcanon but I don't think the OGB would stand a real chance of getting the throne. Remember the ruler of Ferelden is decided by the landsmeet, and they probably short of a civil war/alistair died without having picked an heir first and there's a bunch of horrible **** going on that requires an immediate ruler instead of the landsmeet basically throwing candidates in from various parts of fereldens political spectrum, will not want to just suddenly put some kid none of them know about on the throne. A kid who was raised in the court of Orlais, a place so many of them hate. A kid with no real political power of his own and who is a bastard (Alistair at least had the massive support of one of the most powerful nobles in the land, is going against someone the nobles have a bias against for being too common, and even he still has huge trouble taking the throne). A kid who lets be honest is probably a mage which would immediately legally make him unable to inherit a title in Ferelden. It'd be a great fanfic but I kind of doubt it's feasibility in the story.